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Rose of Shushan · 04-20-2009, 10:40 PM

Quote:The New Covenant in His blood was enacted at the Last Supper:

For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins. (Matthew 26:28)

not after 70 AD.

The destruction of Jerusalem in 70 AD by the armies of Titus was not the judgment which was predictied in Zechariah.

Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee. For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city. Then shall the LORD go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle. And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south. (Zechariah 14:1-4)

This is speaking of the Second Coming...when Jesus Christ returns to the earth to save Israel from being destroyed by the nations of the world....it's called the battle of Armageddon.

Hi again. Linda I agree that the new covenant was enacted at the last supper, my wording wasn’t clear. I lumped in AD70 since that is when judgement came upon the nation of Israel as Jesus had prophesied, the Temple was destroyed and Israel scattered taken and scattered among the nations. What Zechariah prophesied did come true ,history speaks for itself. In AD 70 Jerusalem was destroyed and a remnant did remain until the Bar Kochba revolt when then even the remaining ones were either exiled, sold into slavery or just plain murdered.
The battle is spiritual Linda. If it wasn’t would it make sense .

For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city. Then shall the LORD go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle.

So if this is end time scenario God brings nations against Jerusalem and allows them to rape the women take them captive etc. and then he battles them???? Huh? Why not before all that takes place.

Isaiah speaks of this spiritual battle too.

Isa 42:13 The LORD shall go forth as a mighty man, he shall stir up jealousy like a man of war: he shall cry, yea, shout aloud; he shall prevail against his enemies.
Isa 42:14 I have long time held my peace; I have been still, and restrained myself: now will I cry like a travailing woman; I will destroy and devour at once.
Isa 42:15 I will lay waste the mountains and hills, and dry up all their vegetation; and I will turn the rivers into islands, and I will dry up the pools.
Isa 42:16 And I will bring the blind by a way that they knew not; I will lead them in paths that they have not known: I will make darkness light before them, and crooked things straight. These things will I do unto them, and not forsake them.

Isa 63:1 Who is this that comes from Edom, with dyed garments from Bozrah? this that is glorious in his apparel, traveling in the greatness of his strength? I that speak in righteousness, mighty to save.
Isa 63:2 Why are you red in your apparel, and your garments like him that treads in the winepress?
Isa 63:3 I have trodden the winepress alone; and of the people there was none with me: for I will tread them in my anger, and trample them in my fury; and their blood shall be sprinkled upon my garments, and I will stain all my raiment.
Isa 63:4 For the day of vengeance is in my heart, and the year of my redeemed has come.
Isa 63:5 And I looked, and there was none to help; and I wondered that there was none to uphold: therefore my own arm brought salvation unto me; and my fury, it upheld me.
Isa 63:6 And I will tread down the people in my anger, and make them drunk in my fury, and I will bring down their strength to the earth.

Rev 19:15 And out of his mouth goes forth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treads the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.

The wrath that should have befallen us fell on him .He did the spiritual battle. Jesus isnt going to be fighting the nations physically is he? Linda how do you see this? What kind of battle is it? We see there that he smites the nations with a sharp sword that goes out of his mouth. So his "sword" are his words.Isaiah speak s of it too.

Isa 49:2 And he has made my mouth like a sharp sword; in the shadow of his hand has he hid me, and made me a polished shaft; in his quiver has he hid me;

Isa 11:4 But with righteousness shall he judge the poor, and decide with equity for the meek of the earth: and he shall strike the earth with the rod of his mouth, and with the breath of his lips shall he slay the wicked.
So Linda does the Messiah have breath so bad he kills the people or does it mean that the power of life and death are in his words?

Rev 14:17 And another angel came out of the temple which is in heaven, he also having a sharp sickle.
Rev 14:18 And another angel came out from the altar, who had power over fire; and cried with a loud cry to him that had the sharp sickle, saying, Thrust in your sharp sickle, and gather the clusters of the vine of the earth; for her grapes are fully ripe.
Rev 14:19 And the angel thrust in his sickle into the earth, and gathered the vine of the earth, and cast it into the great winepress of the wrath of God.
Rev 14:20 And the winepress was trodden outside the city, and blood came out of the winepress, even unto the horses’ bridles, for a thousand and six hundred furlongs.

As to the winepress mentioned in Rev 19:15 quoted above. Revelation tells us that the winepress is the wrath of God.The wrath of God also did befall the city of Jeruslalem in AD70 and AD 135.Historians record that the blood run through the streets and that people weren’t allowed to bury their dead for 17 years.

Consider Joshua and what he said

Jos 23:3 And you have seen all that the LORD your God has done unto all these nations because of you; for the LORD your God is he that has fought for you.

Did God fight physically there? No we know that Joshua and his men fought but God obtained the victory for them.

Jos 23:9 For the LORD has driven out from before you great nations and strong: but as for you, no man has been able to stand before you unto this day.
Jos 23:10 One man of you shall chase a thousand: for the LORD your God, he it is that fights for you, as he has promised you.

God even fought against his own people,look.

Isa 63:10 But they rebelled, and grieved his holy Spirit: therefore he turned to be their enemy, and he fought against them.

So God battling in the nations in Zechariah can be interpreted a number of ways.

I want to address more of your post but I need sleep LOL..tomorrow I continue.