What About The Rapture?
04-22-2009, 05:30 PM
RE: What About the Rapture?
As admins we have discussed your post, and have received complaints concerning some statements which appear anti-semitic. That may not be your intent. I hope it isn't as do the other admins. There are members on this forum who are of Jewish descent, and I think that perhaps you need to rethink what you are saying and how you are saying it and why.
There are many Jewish people who read my website and this forum, and I have always made if very clear of the distinction between Judaism and Christian beliefs. Not everything under the banner of Christian is of Christ. As believers we are not to cause offence, and that means respecting others as people, and also as having made choices different than ours. That doesn't mean we agree or view those choices in less than a biblical analysis. But it does mean, we are to give none offence deliberately.
1 Corinthians 10:31-33 Whether therefore ye eat, or drink, or whatsoever ye do, do all to the glory of God. 32. Give none offence, neither to the Jews, nor to the Gentiles, nor to the church of God: 33. Even as I please all men in all things, not seeking mine own profit, but the profit of many, that they may be saved.
When referencing the Talmud and Kabbalah, it must be kept in mind that these are the holy books of another belief system. They are not for us, and they do denigrate the name and person of Jesus. That is a known fact and one that is not disputed by those in Judaism. Kabbalah was known as gnostic and mysticism which is the occult. We evaluate them only from the perspective as being against what we believe, and biblically. Not to trash them, but to understand why we cannot use them.
I see by your posts that you are heavily focused on particular research, and what some would call conspiracy theorists. We know there are conspiracies--which is merely a planned deception, right from the book Genesis on. However, as those who love Jesus Christ, it is a mistake in my opinion, to focus too heavily on the what may be done behind closed doors, versus what is being done and can be proven by facts and Scripture.
Next, I think the focus on the pope and such, is just one of many avenues that is being used to cause individuals to accept other than biblical beliefs and leadership, and to reject Jesus Christ. Catholicism is not the only other religion. There are many that seek to satisfy the 'all roads lead to God" concept. The only belief not accepted in the unity in diversity is those who love the Lord Jesus Christ and hold the Scriptures as Truth. Many people have guessed many anti-christs over the years. But in the end, all have been proven wrong. That doesn't mean there aren't many claiming to be Christ, and the pope does stand out in that category. But he is not the only one.
1 John 2:15-18 Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him. 16. For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world. 17. And the world passeth away, and the lust thereof: but he that doeth the will of God abideth for ever. 18. Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.
There can be too much attention to the detail of man's perception of what the end times and the anti-christ will be. It is good to be aware of what is happening in the world, but we have to strive for balance. The most important thing is sharing the Gospel and loving our neighbor as Christ taught us. The conspiracy theories will always be there, many books will be written that detract people from what God has purposed us to do. To spend inordinate time in pursuing the "sensational" we can weigh ourselves down with things that will impede our race towards Christ. Many things merely agitate and do nothing to turn someone to Christ.
As Christians, we know that anyone who does not know Jesus Christ as Savior and Lord can and will be used to bring in and follow the antichrist. Regardless of who that is. While we need to warn of deceptions, in doing that, we want to make sure we are not being a stumblingblock that keeps people from coming to Christ.
2 Timothy 2:24-26 And the servant of the Lord must not strive; but be gentle unto all men, apt to teach, patient, 25. In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth; 26. And that they may recover themselves out of the snare of the devil, who are taken captive by him at his will.
We are also warned and with that, the knowledge there is not just one deceiver, but many..
2 Timothy 3:1-5 This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come. 2. For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, 3. Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good, 4. Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God; 5. Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.
2Ti 3:12 Yea, and all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution. 13 But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived.
Our whole purpose is to be sharing Christ with others, of all heritage.
The issue of Zionism is being misused by many, and many under the guise of Christian are uniting with Jewish people, but not to ever share Christ. Rather, in their minds, it is so they can usher in the fulfillment of prophecy, or so they think. And basically, the attitude becomes, "too bad for those Jews.". I can't think of anything right now that is more hateful and unloving and uncaring than to think in those terms.
You mentioned that Jews are not really of any Jewish descent, and that is not right. And you need to understand it is not only a false premise, but it is antisemitic, whether you intend it or not. The khazar issue has been mentioned to me before in emails and the rhetoric and disdain behind those emails has been less than loving. There are Jews who can trace their lineage for many years.
The thing is, heritage and race do not save us. Jesus Christ does. And that should be the concern, not whether someone has a particular heritage or not.
1Ti 1:4 Neither give heed to fables and endless genealogies, which minister questions, rather than godly edifying which is in faith: so do.
Ephesians 2:13-22 But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ. 14. For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us; 15. Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace; 16. And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby: 17. And came and preached peace to you which were afar off, and to them that were nigh.
18. For through him we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father. 19. Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God; 20. And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone; 21. In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord: 22. In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit.
Christians are to have one mind and that is to be focused on the things of Christ.
Heb 13:14 For here have we no continuing city, but we seek one to come.
Philippians 3:20-21 For our conversation is in heaven; from whence also we look for the Saviour, the Lord Jesus Christ: 21. Who shall change our vile body, that it may be fashioned like unto his glorious body, according to the working whereby he is able even to subdue all things unto himself.
Galatians 3:26-29 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus. 27. For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. 28. There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. 29. And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
3John 1:4 I have no greater joy than to hear that my children walk in truth.
Isaiah 40:31 But they that wait upon the LORD shall renew their strength; they shall mount up with wings as eagles; they shall run, and not be weary; and they shall walk, and not faint.
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RE: What About the Rapture? - strefanash - 12-25-2008, 10:29 PM
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