What About The Rapture?

[Saltyone]

Quote:I agree with you that the Lord will came back with his saints to the earth, which is a reference to Rev 19, but in Matt 24 and in 1 Thes 4 I believe it clearly says that the Lord will come by Himself as stated above.

Does it say that?

And you did not answer my question. If the saints rise from the dead, when are they made incorruptible? Their spirits are in Heaven, not their bodies.

It’s not the saints that rise, it’s the dead bodies of the saints that rise. So at that time when they are gathered by the angels they will have incorruptible bodies. That’s why in Rev 19, The Lord can come with his saints which are clothed in white linen, they are not invisible.

My question to you is. Do you believe that Matt 24:30-31 represents the rapture or the being caught up (taken away) ??

It seems to me that you are not really looking at what I am saying. You are just going through it. I stated above and showed you that in 1 Thes 4:16 The Lord Himself comes. In Matt 24: 36 The Lord comes to gather his saints. In Rev 19:14 He comes with his saints which are clothed in fine linen, white and clean.

Rev 19:14 And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.

Rev 19:8 And to her was granted that she should be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white: for the fine linen is the righteousness of saints.

BTW Theses saints are referred to as armies not warriors.

Do you have scripture that says angles are dressed in fine white linen, white and clean?

There are two things that happen at different times.
1 The Lord comes by himself to gather his elect. The key is: he comes to gather his saints and he comes by himself.

2. The Lords comes with his saints to war against the kings of the earth, to slay them and setup His kingdom and rule the nations with an Iron Rod. The key: He comes with his saints which are already in heaven

This is how I believe it to be. Otherwise you have a contradiction in the word of God

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(02-09-2011 08:13 PM)Vic Wrote:  I think one of the assumptions in these discussions--and I don't mean just here, is that 'we' will be alive when Christ returns, whenever that will be. We each could die tonight....it's really not about 'we'. It's about knowing that we are to be about our Lord's business, so that regardless when 'we' go to be with the Lord, we will be ready. I think it's a great thing that God never gave the time or day or year or hour of those things, because it removes the dogmatic statements anyone can make as to when Christ will return, and the exact timing of everything. It's in God's hands and that's likely why I don't spend a lot of time delving into these things.

I believe too that we should be about our Father in heavens business, but we should also be watchful and know the times. Luke 21:36 Watch ye therefore, and pray always,
God tells us to watch and pray. I see this as a command, not a suggestion. Many people have a false belief of a pretrib rapture. But when the great tribulation comes and they are still here, their faith will wan. They will lose hope, wondering why the Lord has not come back yet. They will not believe in Jesus or the bible anymore because they were told that they would be raptured according the bible and it has not happened. I think it is very important to know what we believe, be watchful and pray that you will preserver until the end.