What's it mean?

[rancherforChrist]

(11-06-2009 06:51 PM)sheep wrecked Wrote:  

(11-05-2009 11:16 PM)rancherforChrist Wrote:  Maybe we just don't define tribulation the same.

Daniel 7:25
He shall speak pompous words against the Most High, Shall persecute the saints of the Most High, And shall intend to change times and law. Then the saints shall be given into his hand For a time and times and half a time.

Daniel 7:25 all sounds like pretty severe tribulation to me. Just because it doesn't use the word tribulation, doesn't mean that it isn't.

Love ya,
Chris

While I agree that it is tribulation to be persecuted, I am curious how this is considered "THE Tribulation" of 7 years from "a time and times and a half time"? I have never really grasped that

Is it possible that you missed the part in my first response, where I corrected myself for saying 7 years of tribulation? I quoted the scriptures in Daniel and Revelations and corrected and said that I should have stated it as a 7 years treaty period.

[sheep wrecked]

(11-06-2009 07:15 PM)rancherforChrist Wrote:  Is it possible that you missed the part in my first response, where I corrected myself for saying 7 years of tribulation? I quoted the scriptures in Daniel and Revelations and corrected and said that I should have stated it as a 7 years treaty period.

Here is what you originally wrote, just so we're on the same page:

Quote:you're absolutely right. The time of tribulation may be longer or shorter than 7 years. It would have been more appropriate for me to say, during the seven year treaty period, during which there will obviously be some tribulation for believers. I'll list below, a few scriptures where it speaks of the 3 1/2 year periods. Hopefully the time of tribulation will indeed be shortened for sake of the elect.

I had zeroed in on the tribulation part. Again, my question is, where do the passages point to a specific time line - either 3 1/2 years or 7 years? It's a pretty popular theory that the trib is 7 yrs long. But you use the word treaty? Can you clarify what you are referring to? thanx!

[rancherforChrist]

(11-06-2009 08:08 PM)sheep wrecked Wrote:  

(11-06-2009 07:15 PM)rancherforChrist Wrote:  Is it possible that you missed the part in my first response, where I corrected myself for saying 7 years of tribulation? I quoted the scriptures in Daniel and Revelations and corrected and said that I should have stated it as a 7 years treaty period.

Here is what you originally wrote, just so we're on the same page:

Quote:you're absolutely right. The time of tribulation may be longer or shorter than 7 years. It would have been more appropriate for me to say, during the seven year treaty period, during which there will obviously be some tribulation for believers. I'll list below, a few scriptures where it speaks of the 3 1/2 year periods. Hopefully the time of tribulation will indeed be shortened for sake of the elect.

I had zeroed in on the tribulation part. Again, my question is, where do the passages point to a specific time line - either 3 1/2 years or 7 years? It's a pretty popular theory that the trib is 7 yrs long. But you use the word treaty? Can you clarify what you are referring to? thanx!

As I said before, I wrote a response correcting what I said about 7 year tribulation, and I am still not going to spar with you.

[Rose of Shushan]

I was wondering about the treaty also
and I dont want to spar but it is a discussion forum after all

[rancherforChrist]

(11-07-2009 04:37 PM)Rose of Shushan Wrote:  I was wondering about the treaty also
and I dont want to spar but it is a discussion forum after all

Hello Rose of Shushan,

It's nice to meet you. One of the many wonderful things about discussion is, I believe that each of us has the liberty, sometimes even the leading of the Holy Spirit, to withdraw from a particular discussion, if it starts to generate strife rather than unity. With that said, I would be happy to hear what you were wondering about the treaty.

Sorry, I have to cut this short for the moment. I have to go for now, but please feel free to reply if you like.

Love ya,
Chris

[Rose of Shushan]

Hi Rancher its nice to meet you too!
As to the treaty thing well I just wanted to hear what your take was on it thats all.I have heard many discussions on the subject and just wondered what your take was on it.

[rancherforChrist]

(11-07-2009 06:16 PM)Rose of Shushan Wrote:  Hi Rancher its nice to meet you too!
As to the treaty thing well I just wanted to hear what your take was on it thats all.I have heard many discussions on the subject and just wondered what your take was on it.

I will have to be somewhat limited in what I can share, because I am not yet at a level on the forum where I can post links or resource information. However, from my studies of scripture, current affairs, prophecies and resources of the times that we live in, it seems that he anti-Christ is supposed to confirm a 7 year covenant or treaty with many. Then it appears that half way through that period, the anti-Christ will stop the daily sacrifices in the temple, and make war with many, especially those who are believers or elect. From many of the events that have already and are taking place in the world right now, I believe it is very possible that we already have entered well into that seven year period of time. When I am able to post links, I would be happy to share resource links and information, that is for the most part, not spoken of much by the main stream media. I know that there is so much information out there that it's hard for anyone to know what to believe, but I have also found, that through the leading of the Holy Spirit, and divine appointments He has made for me, that I have been able to gather and study many resources that are well thought and very well articulated. Just for the record. I do not make last days events and study my focus, and I do not predictions about the coming of Jesus or about the event before or after His coming Jesus Christ is my focus, but I also know from scripture, and because the Lord has allowed me to experience it, that there is indeed a blessing to those who will take the time to prayerful consider the prophecies within the bible about the 70th week, the 6th and 7th millennium (6th and 7th day/a day is as a thousand years and a thousand years is as a day with God), and other resources available. I also believe that the Lord does not want us to be ignorant about the times that we live in and the signs of the times to come.

Finally, I believe that the joining of Christ and His bride is very near, and I am looking forward to it, no matter what I have to endure between now and then.

Hopefully that will give you some idea of my take on it.

Love ya,
Chris

[Vic]

Please see the expose on rancherforchrist aka Chris Evans at:

http://www.seekgod.ca/forum/showthread.php?tid=540

[Jade]

(05-17-2009 02:42 PM)Vic Wrote:  This is part of the passage relating to the time of the Gentiles being fulfilled.

Luke 21:19-24 In your patience possess ye your souls. 20. And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh. 21. Then let them which are in Judaea flee to the mountains; and let them which are in the midst of it depart out; and let not them that are in the countries enter thereinto. 22. For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled. 23. But woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck, in those days! for there shall be great distress in the land, and wrath upon this people. 24. And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.

So, What does it mean?

Lord's Blessing to All:

My goodness, I can't believe that in 2 days we will start a new year. When I was less mature, I was always in a hurry to do this and that, what a short attention span I had, and time seemed to d drag. But now, wow, when I became re-born and a new creature in Christ, their aren't enough hours in the day!

Walking with the Lord Jesus is so exciting, He has added such a newness and adventure to my life, at times I want to just stop and soak it all in! Thank you Lord for your grace and the Cross, there is soooo much freedom. Why was I afraid that coming to Christ and asking for forgiveness of my sins meant that I would have to give up something whatever it was at that time, how stupid cuz I wasted those years worry about nothing!! The Good Lord has shown how much more I have gained and so much more in Him than I would ever image for myself! What a GREAT GOD we serve!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (back to the topic)

I agree with Sheepwrecked regarding the destruction of temple in AD 70 and Jersaulem. As for Luke 24 (b), 'until the time of the Gentiles be fulfilled, I think the Lord is speaking of the Church. Romans 11:24-36 tells us that 'God has hardened Israels until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in'. I Cor.1,1:18-27, Jews seek signs, a stumbling block, Greeks foolishness, but we preach Christ, and God has chosed the foolish things of the world to put to shame the wise. Gal. Chapter 4, in the fullness of time God sent forth His Son to redeem those who were of the law, that we might receive adoption; Abrahams 2 sons one according to the flesh, bondage, Jerusalem with many children. Issac was the child of the promise, the New Jerusalem, ( verse 29) But as he who was born according to the flesh then persecuted him who was born according to the Spirit, even so it is now. Col. 1:14 -20, 26 - 28, mystery of Christ revealed to the saints. 2 Thess. 2: 1-9 Day of the Lord does not come until there is a falling away first. Furthermore, I think that verse 4 ' who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called Gods or that is worshiped so that he sits as God in the temple of God showing himself that he is God', is the church, and can be cross referenced to Rev. 17: 9 -18., war against the Lamb and those who are with Him.

Chapter 11 of Rev. are both history and future events and they comprise of OT prophecies concerning Christ birth, redemption , and salvation, similar to the 'mystery' that Paul's speak's about in Gal. Chapter 4. I think Heb 13:11 - 14, can be referenced here as well because it states [b][u] beasts whose blood is brought into the sanctuary by the high priests for sin, are burned outside the gate.

As a side note the future witnesses in Rev. 11:3 might be someone similar to Also Dan. Chapter 9 I think are both past and future, that being the fulfillment of Christ and the Cross and revealing of Antichrist but I would set this in stone because I'm still I'm still studying!

Hope this makes sense, should anyone think I am off base, or have questions, please let me know!

Happy New Year and Maranatha!

[sheep wrecked]

(01-01-2010 12:44 AM)Jade Wrote:  

Lord's Blessing to All:

My goodness, I can't believe that in 2 days we will start a new year. When I was less mature, I was always in a hurry to do this and that, what a short attention span I had, and time seemed to d drag. But now, wow, when I became re-born and a new creature in Christ, their aren't enough hours in the day!

Walking with the Lord Jesus is so exciting, He has added such a newness and adventure to my life, at times I want to just stop and soak it all in! Thank you Lord for your grace and the Cross, there is soooo much freedom. Why was I afraid that coming to Christ and asking for forgiveness of my sins meant that I would have to give up something whatever it was at that time, how stupid cuz I wasted those years worry about nothing!! The Good Lord has shown how much more I have gained and so much more in Him than I would ever image for myself! What a GREAT GOD we serve!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (back to the topic)

I agree with Sheepwrecked regarding the destruction of temple in AD 70 and Jersaulem. As for Luke 24 (b), 'until the time of the Gentiles be fulfilled, I think the Lord is speaking of the Church. Romans 11:24-36 tells us that 'God has hardened Israels until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in'. I Cor.1,1:18-27, Jews seek signs, a stumbling block, Greeks foolishness, but we preach Christ, and God has chosed the foolish things of the world to put to shame the wise. Gal. Chapter 4, in the fullness of time God sent forth His Son to redeem those who were of the law, that we might receive adoption; Abrahams 2 sons one according to the flesh, bondage, Jerusalem with many children. Issac was the child of the promise, the New Jerusalem, ( verse 29) But as he who was born according to the flesh then persecuted him who was born according to the Spirit, even so it is now. Col. 1:14 -20, 26 - 28, mystery of Christ revealed to the saints. 2 Thess. 2: 1-9 Day of the Lord does not come until there is a falling away first. Furthermore, I think that verse 4 ' who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called Gods or that is worshiped so that he sits as God in the temple of God showing himself that he is God', is the church, and can be cross referenced to Rev. 17: 9 -18., war against the Lamb and those who are with Him.

Chapter 11 of Rev. are both history and future events and they comprise of OT prophecies concerning Christ birth, redemption , and salvation, similar to the 'mystery' that Paul's speak's about in Gal. Chapter 4. I think Heb 13:11 - 14, can be referenced here as well because it states [u] beasts whose blood is brought into the sanctuary by the high priests for sin, are burned outside the gate.

As a side note the future witnesses in Rev. 11:3 might be someone similar to Also Dan. Chapter 9 I think are both past and future, that being the fulfillment of Christ and the Cross and revealing of Antichrist but I would set this in stone because I'm still I'm still studying!

Hope this makes sense, should anyone think I am off base, or have questions, please let me know!

Happy New Year and Maranatha!

Hi Jade! I hope you aren't offended, but



Could you possible clarify some more - you kind of squooshed a whole bunch of stuff in a very small space and I am like