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(01-29-2010 05:17 AM)Rose of Shushan Wrote:  What I do believe in,but I dont think its really what you meant up there, is that prophecies can have a physical and spiritual fulfilment.For example when Abraham said that God Himself would provide the lamb[/color][/b]

Yes, that is also true.

Quote:First Jesus points out that the Temple must be destroyed. This is understood as God giving the Jews 1 generation to leave the bondage of the Law:

Luke 21:6 As for these things which ye behold, the days will come, in the which there shall not be left one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down

The disciples got excited and expected this to bring in the kingdom. But Jesus corrected them that the loss of the Temple is a "changing of the guards" Notice the switch in the timeline to gentile rule. And yet the end is to be far away still.

Luke 21:7-9 * And they asked him, saying, Master, but when shall these things be? and what sign will there be when these things shall come to pass? * And he said, Take heed that ye be not deceived: for many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and the time draweth near: go ye not therefore after them. * But when ye shall hear of wars and commotions, be not terrified: for these things must first come to pass; but the end is not by and by

I dont see in verses 6 to 9 where the temple destruction comes first.Instead I see that the disciples ask when that will come about and Jesus elaborates on what must happen in the run up to that event .It is not til verse 20 onwards thats when we get to the period which culminates in the destruction of the Temple.
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The Temple Distruction is in verse 6.

But the Disciples ask 2 Questions thinking that they are a single event! We see the same today. We understand that there WILL be another Temple and that christ will come, Destroy it and Reign. They were looking for the Messianic Kingdom beleiving that THEIRS was the final Temple. But it was not. The Times of the Gentiles needed to be inserted and then there will be another.

Master, but when shall these things be? and what sign will there be when these things shall come to pass? 8 And he said, Take heed that ye be not deceived

and in Matthew it is worded more detailed.

Matthew 24:3 * And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?


Jesus left the questioin about the Temple Stand. It would be Destroyed. But Jesus went on and warned them that it was only the beginning of Sorrows and that MANY Wars and Earthquakes and terrible things would happen and yet the End Is Not Yet!

The Jesus reference this.

Matthew 24:15 * When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand

That did not occur in 70AD. It occurred about 200 years earlier during the Maccabean revolt by Antiochus Epiphanes. And HE was the fullfillment of Daniel as a forshadowing of the final Antichrist. As was Titus a type. and although each fulfill a few of the antichrist prophecies as would many more to come according to Jesus. There is still one yet to come who will fulfill them all.

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(01-29-2010 05:17 AM)Rose of Shushan Wrote:  What I do believe in,but I dont think its really what you meant up there, is that prophecies can have a physical and spiritual fulfilment.For example when Abraham said that God Himself would provide the lamb

Yes, that is also true.

Quote:First Jesus points out that the Temple must be destroyed. This is understood as God giving the Jews 1 generation to leave the bondage of the Law:

Luke 21:6 As for these things which ye behold, the days will come, in the which there shall not be left one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down

The disciples got excited and expected this to bring in the kingdom. But Jesus corrected them that the loss of the Temple is a "changing of the guards" Notice the switch in the timeline to gentile rule. And yet the end is to be far away still.

Luke 21:7-9 * And they asked him, saying, Master, but when shall these things be? and what sign will there be when these things shall come to pass? * And he said, Take heed that ye be not deceived: for many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and the time draweth near: go ye not therefore after them. * But when ye shall hear of wars and commotions, be not terrified: for these things must first come to pass; but the end is not by and by

I dont see in verses 6 to 9 where the temple destruction comes first.Instead I see that the disciples ask when that will come about and Jesus elaborates on what must happen in the run up to that event .It is not til verse 20 onwards thats when we get to the period which culminates in the destruction of the Temple.
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The Temple Distruction is in verse 6.

But the Disciples ask 2 Questions thinking that they are a single event! We see the same today. We understand that there WILL be another Temple and that christ will come, Destroy it and Reign. They were looking for the Messianic Kingdom beleiving that THEIRS was the final Temple. But it was not. The Times of the Gentiles needed to be inserted and then there will be another.

Master, but when shall these things be? and what sign will there be when these things shall come to pass? 8 And he said, Take heed that ye be not deceived

and in Matthew it is worded more detailed.

Matthew 24:3 * And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?


Jesus left the questioin about the Temple Stand. It would be Destroyed. But Jesus went on and warned them that it was only the beginning of Sorrows and that MANY Wars and Earthquakes and terrible things would happen and yet the End Is Not Yet!

The Jesus reference this.

Matthew 24:15 * When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand

That did not occur in 70AD. It occurred about 200 years earlier during the Maccabean revolt by Antiochus Epiphanes. And HE was the fullfillment of Daniel as a forshadowing of the final Antichrist. As was Titus a type. and although each fulfill a few of the antichrist prophecies as would many more to come according to Jesus. There is still one yet to come who will fulfill them all.