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08-05-2011, 08:32 PM
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RE: What's it mean?
(06-26-2011 08:57 PM)Ekklesia Wrote:(05-17-2009 02:42 PM)Vic Wrote: This is part of the passage relating to the time of the Gentiles being fulfilled. THinking like a Hebrew who speaks Greek huh? That would leave you out of the running right from the get go, wouldn't it.  Since you are neither a Hebrew nor Greek. Oh I know, you claim to be of the house of Israel, but aren't a Jew.  Since the writers of the New Testament were inspired by God to write for the common people, in the common language of Greek which encompassed all nations, notions of Hebrew idioms are entirely unecessary to be able to understand the Scriptures. I think on your guesswork of the words use and translational use as all being wrong except what you have proclaimed, I would use a phrase my grandmother used to use when rejecting some idea. Poppycock. It's actually a popcorn with nuts and flavoring in it but in this context means, Nonsense....  It's all in the use and context isn't it.You aren't being consistent. You say we need to go back to the Hebrew to speak the Greek or understand it. Then go with what the Hebrew in the OT says, but as shown in the Christian Identity thread, you miss the true meanings. The only person I see here with a theological agenda is you. Gentiles does not refer to Israel in any of the Scripture, neither the OT or NT. Gentiles in OT> Gen 10:5 By these were the isles of the Gentiles h1471 divided in their lands; every one after his tongue, after their families, in their nations. Gen 10:32 These are the families of the sons of Noah, after their generations, in their nations: and by these were the nations 1471 divided in the earth after the flood. gentiles or nations H1471 ??? / ???? go^y BDB Definition: 1) nation, people (noun masculine) 1a) nation, people 1a1) usually of non-Hebrew people 1a2) of descendants of Abraham 1a3) of Israel 1b) of swarm of locusts, other animals (figuratively) 1c) Goyim? = “nations” (noun proper masculine) Part of Speech: see above in Definition A Related Word by BDB/Strong’s Number: apparently from the same root as H1465 Same Word by TWOT Number: 326e Strong's H1471 ??? ???? go^y go^y go'ee, go'-ee Apparently from the same root as H1465 (in the sense of massing); a foreign nation; hence a Gentile; also (figuratively) a troop of animals, or a flight of locusts: - Gentile, heathen, nation, people. The scattering of the people making separate nations and peoples: Gen 11:1 And the whole earth was of one language, and of one speech. Gen 11:4 And they said, Go to, let us build us a city and a tower, whose top may reach unto heaven; and let us make us a name, lest we be scattered abroad upon the face of the whole earth. Gen 11:5 And the LORD came down to see the city and the tower, which the children of men builded. Gen 11:6 And the LORD said, Behold, the people is one, and they have all one language; and this they begin to do: and now nothing will be restrained from them, which they have imagined to do. Gen 11:7 Go to, let us go down, and there confound their language, that they may not understand one another's speech. Gen 11:8 So the LORD scattered them abroad from thence upon the face of all the earth: and they left off to build the city. Gen 11:9 Therefore is the name of it called Babel; because the LORD did there confound the language of all the earth: and from thence did the LORD scatter them abroad upon the face of all the earth. Regarding the calling of Israel from out of all the other nations> Lev 20:26 And ye shall be holy unto me: for I the LORD am holy, and have severed you from other people, that ye should be mine. . severed H914 בּדל bâdal BDB Definition: 1) to divide, separate 1a) (Hiphil) 1a1) to divide, separate, sever 1a2) to separate, set apart 1a3) to make a distinction, difference 1a4) to divide into parts 1b) (Niphal) 1b1) to separate oneself from (reflexive of 1a2) 1b2) to withdraw from 1b3) to separate oneself unto 1b4) to be separated 1b5) to be excluded 1b6) to be set apart Part of Speech: verb A Related Word by BDB/Strong’s Number: a primitive root other people H5971 עם ‛am BDB Definition: 1) nation, people 1a) people, nation 1b) persons, members of one’s people, compatriots, country-men 2) kinsman, kindred Part of Speech: noun masculine Deu 14:2 For thou art an holy people unto the LORD thy God, and the LORD hath chosen thee to be a peculiar people unto himself, above all the nations [h5971] that are upon the earth. see Deut 7... nations the nationsH5971 > noted above, which God gave Israel victory over many times. And dire warnings were given concerning these other nations: Deu 7:1 When the LORD thy God shall bring thee into the land whither thou goest to possess it, and hath cast out many nations before thee, the Hittites, and the Girgashites, and the Amorites, and the Canaanites, and the Perizzites, and the Hivites, and the Jebusites, seven nations greater and mightier than thou; 2 And when the LORD thy God shall deliver them before thee; thou shalt smite them, and utterly destroy them; thou shalt make no covenant with them, nor shew mercy unto them: Deu 7:3 Neither shalt thou make marriages with them; thy daughter thou shalt not give unto his son, nor his daughter shalt thou take unto thy son. Deu 7:4 For they will turn away thy son from following me, that they may serve other gods: so will the anger of the LORD be kindled against you, and destroy thee suddenly. ..Deu 7:6 For thou art an holy people unto the LORD thy God: the LORD thy God hath chosen thee to be a special people unto himself, above all people that are upon the face of the earth. Deu 7:7 The LORD did not set his love upon you, nor choose you, because ye were more in number than any people; for ye were the fewest of all people: ... people >> H5971 In KJV goy is used as >nations 266 times, heathen 143, nation 109, gentiles 30, people 11 Mal 1:11 For from the rising of the sun even unto the going down of the same my name shall be great among the Gentiles; and in every place incense shall be offered unto my name, and a pure offering: for my name shall be great among the heathen, saith the LORD of hosts. Gentiles and heathen used interchangeably. There is always distinction between them and Israel. In fact many times Israel is rebuked for going the way of the nations or heathen or pagans. Those verses in context, incidently were the prophecy of change of the priesthood, which also shows this is a prophecy of the conversion of the Gentiles, and the spiritual priesthood of the Gospel times--which included Jews and Gentiles who believed Jesus Christ. Israel was repeatedly called Israel, or the children of Israel etc. Once called out, the distinction was made when to referring to Israel or Jews versus all other nations. Mat 4:15 The land of Zabulon, and the land of Nephthalim, by the way of the sea, beyond Jordan, Galilee of the Gentiles; Gentiles G1484 e?´???? ethnos Thayer Definition: 1) a multitude (whether of men or of beasts) associated or living together 1a) a company, troop, swarm 2) a multitude of individuals of the same nature or genus 2a) the human family 3) a tribe, nation, people group 4) in the OT, foreign nations not worshipping the true God, pagans, Gentiles 5) Paul uses the term for Gentile Christians Part of Speech: noun neuter A Related Word by Thayer’s/Strong’s Number: probably from G1486 Citing in TDNT: 2:364, 201 ethnos in KJV > gentiles 93, nations 37, nation 27, heathen 5, people 2 Strong's G1484 e?´???? ethnos eth'-nos Probably from G1486; a race (as of the same habit), that is, a tribe; specifically a foreign (non-Jewish) one (usually by implication pagan): - Gentile, heathen, nation, people. Mat 10:5 These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not: Luk 2:30 For mine eyes have seen thy salvation, Luk 2:31 Which thou hast prepared before the face of all people; Luk 2:32 A light to lighten the Gentiles, and the glory of thy people Israel. Gen 32:28 And he said, Thy name shall be called no more Jacob, but Israel: for as a prince hast thou power with God and with men, and hast prevailed. H3478 ?????? yis´ra^'e^l BDB Definition: Israel = “God prevails” 1) the second name for Jacob given to him by God after his wrestling with the angel at Peniel 2) the name of the descendants and the nation of the descendants of Jacob 2a) the name of the nation until the death of Solomon and the split 2b) the name used and given to the northern kingdom consisting of the 10 tribes under Jeroboam; the southern kingdom was known as Judah 2c) the name of the nation after the return from exile Part of Speech: noun proper masculine A Related Word by BDB/Strong’s Number: from H8280 and H410 Lev 23:42 Ye shall dwell in booths seven days; all that are Israelites born shall dwell in booths: Lev 23:43 That your generations may know that I made the children of Israel to dwell in booths, when I brought them out of the land of Egypt: I am the LORD your God. Israel> G2474 ??s?a?´? Israe¯l Thayer Definition: Israel = “he shall be a prince of God” 1) the name given to the patriarch Jacob (and borne by him in addition to his former name) 2) the family or descendants of Israel, the nation of Israel 3) Christians, the Israel of God (Gal_6:16), for not all those who draw their bodily descent from Israel are true Israelites, i.e. are those whom God pronounces to be Israelites and has chosen to salvation Part of Speech: adjective A Related Word by Thayer’s/Strong’s Number: of Hebrew origin H3478 Citing in TDNT: 3:356, 372 Strong's G2474 ??s?a?´? Israe¯l is-rah-ale' Of Hebrew origin [H3478]; Israel (that is, Jisrael), the adopted name of Jacob, including his descendants (literally or figuratively): - Israel. Joh 1:47 Jesus saw Nathanael coming to him, and saith of him, Behold an Israelite indeed, in whom is no guile! G2475 ??s?a???´t?? Israe¯lite¯s Thayer Definition: 1) an Israelite, one of the nation of Israel, a name to be held in honour Part of Speech: noun masculine A Related Word by Thayer’s/Strong’s Number: from G2474 Eph 2:11 Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands; Eph 2:12 That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world: Jer 9:25 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will punish all them which are circumcised with the uncircumcised; Jer 9:26 Egypt, and Judah, and Edom, and the children of Ammon, and Moab, and all that are in the utmost corners, that dwell in the wilderness: for all these nations are uncircumcised, and all the house of Israel are uncircumcised in the heart. circumcised H4135 מוּל mûl BDB Definition: 1) to circumcise, let oneself be circumcised, cut, be cut off 1a) (Qal) to circumcise 1b) (Niphal) to be circumcised, circumcise oneself 1c) (Hiphil) to cause to be circumcised 1c1) of destruction (figuratively) 1d) (Hithpolel) to be cut off 1e) (Polel) cut down Part of Speech: verb A Related Word by BDB/Strong’s Number: a primitive root H6189 ערל ‛ârêl BDB Definition: 1) uncircumcised, having foreskin Part of Speech: noun masculine A Related Word by BDB/Strong’s Number: from H6188 Act 16:1 Then came he to Derbe and Lystra: and, behold, a certain disciple was there, named Timotheus, the son of a certain woman, which was a Jewess, and believed; but his father was a Greek: Col 3:11 Where there is neither Greek nor Jew, circumcision nor uncircumcision, Barbarian, Scythian, bond nor free: but Christ is all, and in all. Uncircumcision G203 a????ß?st?´a akrobustia Thayer Definition: 1) having the foreskin, uncircumcised 2) a Gentile 3) a condition in which the corrupt desires rooted in the flesh were not yet extinct Part of Speech: noun feminine A Related Word by Thayer’s/Strong’s Number: from G206 and probably a modified form of posthe (the ***** or male sexual organ) Citing in TDNT: 1:225, 36 Circumcision> G4061 pe??t?µ?´ peritome¯ Thayer Definition: 1) circumcised 1a) the act or rite of circumcision, “they of the circumcision” is a term used of the Jews 1a1) of Christians gathered from among the Jews 1a2) the state of circumcision 1b) metaphorically 1b1) of Christians separated from the unclean multitude and truly consecrated to God 1b2) the extinction of passions and the removal of spiritual impurity Part of Speech: noun feminine A Related Word by Thayer’s/Strong’s Number: from G4059 Citing in TDNT: 6:72, 831 Greek G1672 ??´???? Helle¯n Thayer Definition: 1) a Greek either by nationality, whether a native of the main land or of the Greek islands or colonies 2) in a wider sense the name embraces all nations not Jews that made the language, customs, and learning of the Greeks their own; the primary reference is to a difference of religion and worship Part of Speech: noun masculine A Related Word by Thayer’s/Strong’s Number: from G1671 Citing in TDNT: 2:504, 227 Jewess G2453 ????da???? Ioudaios Thayer Definition: 1) Jewish, belonging to the Jewish nation 2) Jewish as respects to birth, origin, religion Part of Speech: adjective A Related Word by Thayer’s/Strong’s Number: from G2448 (in the sense of G2455 as a country) barbarian G915 ßa´?ßa??? barbaros Thayer Definition: 1) one whose speech is rude, rough and harsh 2) one who speaks a foreign or strange language which is not understood by another 3) used by the Greeks of any foreigner ignorant of the Greek language, whether mental or moral, with the added notion after the Persian war, of rudeness and brutality. The word is used in the N.T. without the idea of reproachfulness. Part of Speech: adjective A Related Word by Thayer’s/Strong’s Number: of uncertain derivation Scythian G4658 S??´??? Skuthe¯s Thayer Definition: Scythian = “rude or rough” 1) a Scythian, an inhabitant of Scythia or modern day Russia 1a) by the more civilised nations of antiquity the Scythians were regarded as the wildest of barbarians Part of Speech: noun proper masculine A Related Word by Thayer’s/Strong’s Number: probably of foreign origin Citing in TDNT: 7:447, 1053 Roman G4514 ???µa???? Rho¯maios hro-mah'-yos From G4516; Romaean, that is, Roman (as noun): - Roman, of Rome. Joh 4:39 And many of the Samaritans of that city believed on him for the saying of the woman, which testified, He told me all that ever I did. Joh 4:40 So when the Samaritans were come unto him, they besought him that he would tarry with them: and he abode there two days. Joh 4:41 And many more believed because of his own word; Joh 4:42 And said unto the woman, Now we believe, not because of thy saying: for we have heard him ourselves, and know that this is indeed the Christ, the Saviour of the world. These verses also illustrate how Jesus was not restricting Himself to the Israelite race, but was showing love for and that salvation was also to the Gentiles as prophesied. His teaching on the Good Samaritan, means much more when understanding the depth of hatred the Jews had for the Samaritans and vice versa. Rom 1:13 Now I would not have you ignorant, brethren, that oftentimes I purposed to come unto you, (but was let hitherto,) that I might have some fruit among you also, even as among other Gentiles. Rom 1:14 I am debtor both to the Greeks, and to the Barbarians; both to the wise, and to the unwise. Rom 1:15 So, as much as in me is, I am ready to preach the gospel to you that are at Rome also. Rom 1:16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. Greek G1672 ??´???? Helle¯n Thayer Definition: 1) a Greek either by nationality, whether a native of the main land or of the Greek islands or colonies 2) in a wider sense the name embraces all nations not Jews that made the language, customs, and learning of the Greeks their own; the primary reference is to a difference of religion and worship Part of Speech: noun masculine Jesus came for Israel and all other nations, that is, Gentiles. THe time of the Gentiles was the extending of salvation not to just the Jews, when the New Covenant was brought in, [Jesus is the New Covenant] but Gentiles--non Jews. Both have the opportunity to know Jesus Christ as Savior and Lord. THere will be a time when that opportunity is fulfilled. When all will have been given that opportunity. Prior to the New Covenant, before Christ walked the earth, the way to God was to join with Israel and follow what God had commanded them to do in the Sinai covenant. Then prophecies were fulfilled in Christ, the waited Messiah, Redeemer and Salvation promised by God. And the prophecies concerning the Gentiles : Mal 1:11 For from the rising of the sun even unto the going down of the same my name shall be great among the Gentiles; and in every place incense shall be offered unto my name, and a pure offering: for my name shall be great among the heathen, saith the LORD of hosts. Vic SeekGod.ca 3John 1:4 I have no greater joy than to hear that my children walk in truth. Isaiah 40:31 But they that wait upon the LORD shall renew their strength; they shall mount up with wings as eagles; they shall run, and not be weary; and they shall walk, and not faint. |
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