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sheep wrecked · 05-18-2009, 01:25 PM

(05-17-2009 09:25 PM)live4Him Wrote: Thanks so much for your feedback on this! This confirms what I believed about it. I told my husband that I thought Pastor Biltz was teaching Kabbalah but he didn't believe me and said "so what?" I need to really study this so I can tell him why it's harmful.

Here is a link that gives you an in-depth explanation of kabbalah. Please note the references to the occult, mysticism, and magik. And please be aware that kabbalah teaches that the Spirit of God is feminine or the Mother Spirit, along with many other heretical ideas about God.

http://www.change.freeuk.com/learning/re...balah.html

"Messianic" kabbalah has simply drawn from Judaism's kabbalah and re-defined it to include a Messianic theme. Unfortunately, it is still mysticism. One cannot put Jesus Christ into an occult system and then define one's theology and doctrine. It is blasphemous.

I have posted on my blog an article called Kabbalah, Talmud, Toldoth, and The Shem Tov which shows how corrupt the Talmud is and how much it denigrates Christ. kabbalah is the base of the Talmud, for all Rabbinic sages were kabbalists.

http://fortheloveoftruth.wordpress.com/2...-shem-tov/

Vic also has a bunch of stuff on the kabbalah on her website:

http://www.seekgod.ca/embrachrist.htm

http://www.seekgod.ca/embracinition.htm

http://www.seekgod.ca/embracnokab.htm

http://www.seekgod.ca/embracnotal.htm

live4Him · (This post was last modified: 05-18-2009 09:28 PM by live4Him.)

(05-17-2009 07:09 PM)sheep wrecked Wrote:
(05-17-2009 06:10 PM)live4Him Wrote: I wondered if anyone has heard of this ministry. The pastor's name is Mark Biltz and he has been on Fox News and World Net Daily and has quite a large following on the Internet now.

This is where my husband and I have been attending for the last 9 mo. or so. I have some real concerns about what I've been learning there but I'd like to know what others of you out there think.

Just looking at the home page, I see a number of issues that would be of great concern to me. Just because a teacher is "sincere" and "nice" is not necessarily indicative of the truth.

Listing some the issues that I see:

* We must reflect the ancient ways he gave us else how can we show that we have something different and better to offer the world.

Paul has clearly shown that the Gospel is spiritual - changing the heart. There is no such thing as "the ancient ways" when it comes to what Jesus or Paul taught, but transformation and wisdom by the Holy Spirit, not man or ethnic superiority.

* E. W. Bullinger's Books

Bullinger believes in soul sleep. He also teaches gematria, which is kabbalah.

* Mr Blitz teaches that when one is a believer in Christ, one is grafted into the olive tree or Israel.

We are grafted into Christ. Israel cannot save us.

* Shavuot is celebrated by lighting candles, decorating with greenery, eating dairy food, learning Torah, attending prayer services, and reading the Book of Ruth.

These traditions come from the Talmud which denies Jesus Christ.

* El Shaddai promotes FFOZ

FFOZ teaches the Talmud and kabbalistic concepts - again, a Christ denying system.

* El Shaddai also sells and promotes books by Daniel Lancaster, who is a kabbalist and is associated with FFOZ. There are also books on Gematria written by L Grant Luton and Steve Lightle.

Thanks for the info.Sheep wrecked! Thankyou8

(05-18-2009 11:21 AM)Vic Wrote:
(05-17-2009 09:25 PM)live4Him Wrote: Thanks so much for your feedback on this! This confirms what I believed about it. I told my husband that I thought Pastor Biltz was teaching Kabbalah but he didn't believe me and said "so what?" I need to really study this so I can tell him why it's harmful.

As I said in an earlier post, I don't intend on going there anymore and I did try to explain to him why. I told him that we're not under the law and read a few verses out of Hebrews and Galatians.

He said that he does'nt think we can understand the NT without the OT interpretion(I guess that's a typical HR response!) I really feel like I'm in the middle of a battle now. He told me that "we could part ways over this" Not sure exactly what he meant by that.

I'm going to keep studying all you HR threads til I really feel like I understand more of all this.
I have another thing I want to say. These teachers who are leading so many people astray will stand before the Lord someday and have to answer to Him! I was told that there are some 40,000 people who listen to Mark Biltz over the Internet! That's a lot of misled souls! I guess I'm feeling a little angry right now....

Peg, if one looks at the track record of Hebrew Roots and it's leadership, you will see many have divorced their Christian wives--or non believers---they were given time to come around to changing their beliefs to the being under the law, etc, but if they did not go into or refused this error, they were divorced under "the law", -"as Moses allowed", and the 'torah observant' one remarried someone who had embraced this. It is terribly tragic and not of God. Most end up rejecting and separating from Christian family and brethren, because we become pagan and ungodly by their definitions.

It is very sadly part of the fruit of this heresy. You said it when you see that you are in a battle. It is a major spiritual battle--huge. And you need to be well armed, because it is a battle for Christ. The Scriptures are our standard of Truth. It isn't a guessing game of what if's. It proves or disproves doctrines and beliefs.

If your husband has known Christ, he will be coming to the point of making serious judgment errors, including and starting with having to interpret the NT from the OT. It's the beginning of dismantling of the truths of the NT, the New Covenant, and who Jesus Christ is, and what He did.

Sometimes it is what is not said that is the issue. And how something is worded, simply because of the error found in his other teachings. Starting with the Renewed Covenant, which must then deny the finished work of Christ. It is a subtle dismantling to start with, but once started, it can become entrenched. And that he is teaching kabbalah ridden concepts is not a surprise.

We are with you in prayer in this Peg. And anything you need help understanding, you ask. Rest assured, God isn't done with all this. The fact that you have been removed from it says much. Allow God to give you the understanding and the words to fight this battle. It is His battle.

Eph 6:18 Praying always with all prayer and supplication in the Spirit, and watching thereunto with all perseverance and supplication for all saints;

Philippians 1:2-6 Grace be unto you, and peace, from God our Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ. 3. I thank my God upon every remembrance of you, 4. Always in every prayer of mine for you all making request with joy, 5. For your fellowship in the gospel from the first day until now; 6. Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ:

Philippians 4:6-7 Be careful for nothing; but in every thing by prayer and supplication with thanksgiving let your requests be made known unto God. 7. And the peace of God, which passeth all understanding, shall keep your hearts and minds through Christ Jesus.

Ephesians 1:17-19 That the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give unto you the spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of him: 18. The eyes of your understanding being enlightened; that ye may know what is the hope of his calling, and what the riches of the glory of his inheritance in the saints, 19. And what is the exceeding greatness of his power to us-ward who believe, according to the working of his mighty power,

Colossians 1:9-12 For this cause we also, since the day we heard it, do not cease to pray for you, and to desire that ye might be filled with the knowledge of his will in all wisdom and spiritual understanding; 10. That ye might walk worthy of the Lord unto all pleasing, being fruitful in every good work, and increasing in the knowledge of God; 11. Strengthened with all might, according to his glorious power, unto all patience and longsuffering with joyfulness; 12. Giving thanks unto the Father, which hath made us meet to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in light:

Colossians 2:2-4 That their hearts might be comforted, being knit together in love, and unto all riches of the full assurance of understanding, to the acknowledgement of the mystery of God, and of the Father, and of Christ; 3. In whom are hid all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge. 4. And this I say, lest any man should beguile you with enticing words.

Colossians 3:15-17 And let the peace of God rule in your hearts, to the which also ye are called in one body; and be ye thankful. 16. Let the word of Christ dwell in you richly in all wisdom; teaching and admonishing one another in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing with grace in your hearts to the Lord. 17. And whatsoever ye do in word or deed, do all in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God and the Father by him.

James 1:2-5 My brethren, count it all joy when ye fall into divers temptations; 3. Knowing this, that the trying of your faith worketh patience. 4. But let patience have her perfect work, that ye may be perfect and entire, wanting nothing. 5. If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that giveth to all men liberally, and upbraideth not; and it shall be given him.

Romans 8:26-28 Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered. 27. And he that searcheth the hearts knoweth what is the mind of the Spirit, because he maketh intercession for the saints according to the will of God. 28. And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.

Thanks, Vic, for all your words of encouragement and prayers. I've been reading some of your articles on Kabbalah and I'm beginning to understand it a little better now. I'll probably have more questions later.

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Rev · 09-11-2009, 07:22 PM

(05-17-2009 09:11 PM)sheep wrecked Wrote:
(05-17-2009 07:45 PM)Emjesown Wrote: Here you find theyre statement of faith

http://www.elshaddaiministries.us/beliefs.html

Thanx, Emje. :5396:

Oftentimes, statements of faith are a smokescreen to cover up what is actually taught and promoted. If they teach something that denies Christ and His Gospel [which they have done], it becomes a statement of disbelief :7108:

Please identify for me where this ministry has denied Christ.

sheep wrecked · 09-11-2009, 07:57 PM

(09-11-2009 07:22 PM)Rev Wrote:
(05-17-2009 09:11 PM)sheep wrecked Wrote:
(05-17-2009 07:45 PM)Emjesown Wrote: Here you find theyre statement of faith

http://www.elshaddaiministries.us/beliefs.html

Thanx, Emje.

Oftentimes, statements of faith are a smokescreen to cover up what is actually taught and promoted. If they teach something that denies Christ and His Gospel [which they have done], it becomes a statement of disbelief

Please identify for me where this ministry has denied Christ.

Welcome to the forum, Rev Welcomeani

Please take the time to introduce yourself in the introduction section 7143

El Shaddai calls the New Covenant [which is the shed blood of Christ] a "renewed covenant", that is denial of Christ.

Quote:God’s mercy came before the covenant was renewed with the new set of tablets!!

http://www.elshaddaiministries.us/audio/...kitisa.pdf

Quote:The New Covenant is what all of the letters of the New Testament are writing about. They are re-telling the story of Messiah who was the living sacrifice that inaugurated the final covenant between heaven and men (click and read). Just like the Lord did in the very first sentence of Genesis. (We are living out the decrees listed in the renewed or new covenant!)

http://www.hearandobey.us/?page_id=1063

Heb 8:5 Who serve unto the example and shadow of heavenly things, as Moses was admonished of God when he was about to make the tabernacle: for, See, saith he, that thou make all things according to the pattern shewed to thee in the mount.
Heb 8:6 But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises.
Heb 8:7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second.
Heb 8:8 For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:
Heb 8:9 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord.
Heb 8:10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:
Heb 8:11 And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest.
Heb 8:12 For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more.
Heb 8:13 In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.

The word used in this passage is kainos meaning "new" - brand new:

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καινός
kainos
Thayer Definition:
1) new
1a) as respects form
1a1) recently made, fresh, recent, unused, unworn
1b) as respects substance
1b1) of a new kind, unprecedented, novel, uncommon, unheard of

King Lemuel III · 11-20-2012, 04:22 PM

The El Shaddai Website has over 2 years of downloadable mp3. They have a 34 message series "Hebrew Roots Basics" that I am listening to. Mark Blitz says in an article that the Church has "highjacked Yeshua." This is because we have turned Jesus into the "Greek Jesus" instead of the "Hebrew Yeshua." One of the posted messages from 2010 2011 is from Nehemia Gordon author of "The Hebrew Yeshua and the Greek Jesus." While attending I heard the jab at Christianity, "did you know Jesus was and is Jewish?" and a cheer arose from those in attendance.

In the message on "Rabbi Shaul, so misunderstood" (I think #12 in the 34 message series mentioned above) Mark Blitz put Peter into the Acts 21! The word says only "James and the elders." This was not a slip of the tongue, he repeated "Peter" at least 8 times and also added the apostles. Then he put words into Peter's mouth! He read his own bovine manure point of view into Peter! In this message, Mark turns the Apostle Paul into a Judaizer! He frequently perverts the gospel. We are either in a "renewed covenant" or the Old is being continued in the new, not replaced.
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Watch out for this guy. If you listen to his messages, stop the mp3s periodically and look up the context. I have open several commentaries in the Online Bible and Libronix, etc and can compare my interpretation to them and to Mark Blitz (he is a false teacher).

***Vic*** · 11-22-2012, 11:55 AM

(11-20-2012 04:22 PM)King Lemuel III Wrote: The El Shaddai Website has over 2 years of downloadable mp3. They have a 34 message series "Hebrew Roots Basics" that I am listening to. Mark Blitz says in an article that the Church has "highjacked Yeshua." This is because we have turned Jesus into the "Greek Jesus" instead of the "Hebrew Yeshua." One of the posted messages from 2010 2011 is from Nehemia Gordon author of "The Hebrew Yeshua and the Greek Jesus." While attending I heard the jab at Christianity, "did you know Jesus was and is Jewish?" and a cheer arose from those in attendance.

In the message on "Rabbi Shaul, so misunderstood" (I think #12 in the 34 message series mentioned above) Mark Blitz put Peter into the Acts 21! The word says only "James and the elders." This was not a slip of the tongue, he repeated "Peter" at least 8 times and also added the apostles. Then he put words into Peter's mouth! He read his own bovine manure point of view into Peter! In this message, Mark turns the Apostle Paul into a Judaizer! He frequently perverts the gospel. We are either in a "renewed covenant" or the Old is being continued in the new, not replaced.

Watch out for this guy. If you listen to his messages, stop the mp3s periodically and look up the context. I have open several commentaries in the Online Bible and Libronix, etc and can compare my interpretation to them and to Mark Blitz (he is a false teacher).

Thanks for that info Lem. It's always the same or some 'new spin' on old arguments with these guys. If you can refute one, you can pretty well refute all of them.

Nehemia Gordon is a Karaite Jew, meaning he rejects Jesus Christ and the New Testament, which is interesting that he is being used to interpret same. BUt he first came on the scene with Michael Rood and there's info on here and my website about their crusade together until they broke apart.

And yes Paul is soooo misunderstood, so they rewrite Galatians, and his other writings, dump hebrews or call him a judaizer...

"did you know Jesus was and is Jewish?" --yes a total jab with the expectation they are somehow providing some new information which any Christian would know, but what is neglected is that He came to fulfill all those messianic prophecies, and aside from coming in the flesh through the lineage of David, He is God manifest in the flesh, the only begotten Son of God, and is now at the right hand of the Father. And so much more is missed. Or perverted or overturned. Anyway, glad you are seeing through it all and hope you are able to help others deal with it.