What Can We Learn From The Jim Jones Cult?

[Strefanash]

(05-28-2009 05:20 PM)sheep wrecked Wrote:  

(05-28-2009 04:39 PM)Strefanash Wrote:  I was not speaking to all those deluded by Jone's outfit, but my own experience

I was a great truth searcher, until i really found out what it was.

naturally, being carnal minded. when i found the real thing, I thought, and still do to some extent (the debate and the repentances continue) that it was nonsernse.

just as the Bible said the carnal person would.

that, too, my much vaunted heroic search for truth, was largely a sham

If one is a true believer, dependent on God, walking in the Spirit - are they carnal minded?

If my fruit is carnal, and they are, then my real thinking, as opposed to the mere intellectual verbiage where my theology is, is carnal also.

I am carnal minded. I depend on God to lead me to repent of the carnality that lurks, but of course I argue with him and have resisted him tooth and nail at every point. And such dependance as I have only came as he took the initiative 31 years ago and continues to do so

I do not separate out my mind and say "ah that is only the carnal mind" ignore it" I was taught this and it nearly destroyed me. MY unbelieving thought and opinions, the ones that bubble up as if from nowhere are me and show i am carnal minded, for as a man thinks in his heart SO HE IS.

And neither do I claim it is a demon. That is a "devil made me do it" cop out. So all that filth is me. No one else. I know mytself by my fruit and it is carnal and i am carnal minded. So is everyone else that I can see. The best I can see are commonly decent people no better than the very best atheists (and I knew an atheist who was, in behaviour, a model of kindness and generosity). But that is no recommendation concerning us

IF a person walking in the spirit and fully dependant on God is not carnal minded then I have never met one in all these years. Therefore being a reborn christian is not the same thing a walking in the spirit. If it were Paul would bnot have needed to wrrite letters to the churches which were all beset with carnalities of their own