Did Peter's Vision of the Sheet Mean People & Food?

[Mary]

In Genesis 9 : 1-5 God speaks to Noah:

And God blessed Noah and his sons, and said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth.
And the fear of you and the dread of you shall be upon every beast of the earth, and upon every fowl of the air, upon all that moveth upon the earth, and upon all the fishes of the sea; into your hand are they delivered.
Every moving thing that liveth shall be meat for you; even as the green herb have I given you all things.
But flesh with the life thereof, which is the blood thereof, shall ye not eat.
And surely your blood of your lives will I require; at the hand of every beast will I require it, and at the hand of man; at the hand of every man's brother will I require the life of man.

This is an edict for all mankind from Noah and his sons and forward. It did not end when God gave his commandments to Moses and the people of Israel, the purpose of which was to separate them from all other people:

Genesis 19: 1-6

In the third month, when the children of Israel were gone forth out of the land of Egypt, the same day came they into the wilderness of Sinai.
For they were departed from Rephidim, and were come to the desert of Sinai, and had pitched in the wilderness; and there Israel camped before the mount.
And Moses went up unto God, and the LORD called unto him out of the mountain, saying, Thus shalt thou say to the house of Jacob, and tell the children of Israel;
Ye have seen what I did unto the Egyptians, and how I bare you on eagles' wings, and brought you unto myself.
Now therefore, if ye will obey my voice indeed, and keep my covenant, then ye shall be a peculiar treasure unto me above all people: for all the earth is mine:
And ye shall be unto me a kingdom of priests, and an holy nation. These are the words which thou shalt speak unto the children of Israel.

The food laws are symbolic of the separation between the children of Israel and all other nations. They were a means of keeping the Israelites separate, but with the coming and death and resurrection of Jesus Christ, this separation is removed. Peter's vision was to show Peter that no animal was unclean, and that all could be killed and eaten. The application of that was that people who kill and eat any animal are therefore also not unclean, and this application was was made clear to Peter by the invitation from Cornelius and God telling him to go to Cornelius.

If the vision only meant Peter could mix with the gentiles but not eat their food, what are we to make of these verses?:

1 Corinthians 10: 23 -27

All things are lawful for me, but all things are not expedient: all things are lawful for me, but all things edify not.
Let no man seek his own, but every man another's wealth.
Whatsoever is sold in the shambles, that eat, asking no question for conscience sake:
For the earth is the Lord's, and the fulness thereof.
If any of them that believe not bid you to a feast, and ye be disposed to go; whatsoever is set before you, eat, asking no question for conscience sake.

and also:
Romans chapter 14:

Him that is weak in the faith receive ye, but not to doubtful disputations.
For one believeth that he may eat all things: another, who is weak, eateth herbs.
Let not him that eateth despise him that eateth not; and let not him which eateth not judge him that eateth: for God hath received him.
Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand.
One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.
He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks.
For none of us liveth to himself, and no man dieth to himself.
For whether we live, we live unto the Lord; and whether we die, we die unto the Lord: whether we live therefore, or die, we are the Lord's.
For to this end Christ both died, and rose, and revived, that he might be Lord both of the dead and living.
But why dost thou judge thy brother? or why dost thou set at nought thy brother? for we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ.
For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God.
So then every one of us shall give account of himself to God.
Let us not therefore judge one another any more: but judge this rather, that no man put a stumblingblock or an occasion to fall in his brother's way.
I know, and am persuaded by the Lord Jesus, that there is nothing unclean of itself: but to him that esteemeth any thing to be unclean, to him it is unclean.
But if thy brother be grieved with thy meat, now walkest thou not charitably. Destroy not him with thy meat, for whom Christ died.
Let not then your good be evil spoken of:
For the kingdom of God is not meat and drink; but righteousness, and peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost.
For he that in these things serveth Christ is acceptable to God, and approved of men.
Let us therefore follow after the things which make for peace, and things wherewith one may edify another.
For meat destroy not the work of God. All things indeed are pure; but it is evil for that man who eateth with offence.
It is good neither to eat flesh, nor to drink wine, nor any thing whereby thy brother stumbleth, or is offended, or is made weak.
Hast thou faith? have it to thyself before God. Happy is he that condemneth not himself in that thing which he alloweth.
And he that doubteth is damned if he eat, because he eateth not of faith: for whatsoever is not of faith is sin.

[Mary]

(05-14-2011 08:11 PM)Vic Wrote:  

Quote:Original quote: Ne’arYah: Needless to say, you already know I do not buy in to the idea that food itself is what’s being discussed. It was the activity of the person. The very thing that divided them was what the definition you provided said about the manner of Gentiles. They were sinners; they lived walked and even ate contrary to the laws of Elohim. So when they came to Mashiyach (the messiah) they were called to his yoke, to be his bond servant, and follow this if you will. They were called to give-up there lives and, follow after him and he taught nothing to them accept the law of Moses, which came from the Father.
I’ve shared this idea with Rose. Peter did not say what you both are putting in his mouth saying, nor did Yahuah (God) reveal his vision to mean what you both teach. He told us that what we are no longer to call unclean or common was man, not mans sin. And hear is the passage to prove it.
- But God has shown me that I must not call any person common or unclean. (Acts 10:28). How you pull the word “person” and get “food” is beyond me, but by all means I digress.

The Jews were sinners too, or did you miss that. That's why the perpetual sin offerings... Food is definitely discussed---because animals, clean and unclean were what Peter was referring to eating or not eating. God wasn't talking to him about killing and eating clean people and Peter wasn't talking about not eating unclean people. And being very hungry I am sure it was a bit of an issue to see clean mixed with the unclean for the Jews. And then being told to kill and eat those same animals. Because Gentiles could eat anything. It was the Jews that needed to learn that they were no longer to be separated by food/clean/unclean/ nor refraining from associating with non Jews, because the truth of the Gospel meant the law was nailed to the cross. Yes I know---you don't believe that either. That's ok, Nearyah. We get it. You don't want it to be other than what you want it to be.

Quote:Original quote: Ne’arYah:So what law was against you Vic? Let’s see was it the law for you to love your Elohim? Or how about the law to love your mother or father? Maybe it was the law that tells judges not to take bribes from people…
For the first time ever you can record me as being sarcastic, and for good cause. I’m stating the following to show you that the law was not against you, because we are told that the law brings the exact opposite.
Keep His statutes and commands, which I am giving you today, so that you and your children after you may prosper and so that you may live long in the land the LORD your God is giving you for all time." (Deut 4:40)
Hopefully you can agree that none of the laws mentioned above work against you then as much as they do now. However, when we look to see what does work against us this all makes sense. What worked against us was the penalty for not keeping the law. Deut 27 speaks to that and we see this little phrase mentioned in Deut 31- Take this book of the law and place it beside the ark of the covenant of the LORD your God, so that it may remain there as a witness against you. Does going the speed limit work against you, or the person that violates the speed limit?

Nearyah, the Sinai covenant was given to >>Israel<<. The law written on our hearts goes way beyond and is different than that. It is the law of Christ because of the love of God, written on the hearts of those who believe. It is the Spirit of God, ie Spirit of Christ, ie the Holy Spirit that indwells and teaches us. It is the transforming by the renewing of our minds....

Rom 12:2 And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.

Tit 3:4 But after that the kindness and love of God our Saviour toward man appeared,
Tit 3:5 Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;
Tit 3:6 Which he shed on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Saviour;
Tit 3:7 That being justified by his grace, we should be made heirs according to the hope of eternal life.

There were Gentiles who by nature, did right before God. Not all followed pagan gods, but just as Romans 1 tells us. All had been given the knowledge of God, but most chose to turn to other things. But even those Gentiles who by nature did things that matched up to keeping the essence of the Mosaic Law---unless they and the Jews turned to Christ, they were still in sin. Attempting to keep the law could save no one. Sin still was in each person. No one had eternal life from keeping the law.

Quote:We the people are to come out of our sinful ways in every which way to become set-apart to him according to his word. This is why he tells us plainly that – “ this crowd, which doesn't know the law, is accursed!" (John 7:49)

WOW! what a twisting of the Scripture, Nearyah. John 7:49 was not Jesus talking. It was the Pharisees.

Joh 7:45 Then came the officers to the chief priests and Pharisees; and they said unto them, Why have ye not brought him?
Joh 7:46 The officers answered, Never man spake like this man.
Joh 7:47 Then answered them the Pharisees, Are ye also deceived?
Joh 7:48 Have any of the rulers or of the Pharisees believed on him?
Joh 7:49 But this people who knoweth not the law are cursed.

The Pharisees were furious because Jesus had not been taken. Why? Because it wasn't His time, but those officers and the people were hearing what Jesus had to say. The Pharisees said those who listened to Jesus were deceived, citing that none of the rulers or Pharisees believed in Him. But, according to the Pharisees, the people who were believing Christ, did so because they did not know the law, and therefore were cursed.

You need to stop attempting to teach anyone. You don't understand or know the Scriptures. That is plain as day.

Quote:Original quote: Ne’arYah: I dare say you nor I have had the privilege to walk in the holy of holies literally. This goes back to what I said earlier about the Hebrew mind set being both internal and external; both are called upon because they both serve to give the person the concept. - Therefore," He said to them, "every student of Scripture instructed in the kingdom of heaven is like a landowner who brings out of his storeroom what is new and what is old." (Matthew 13:52) Are you following? We take both…

As I said Nearyah, believers have the mind of Christ. It has nothing to do with having a Hebrew mindset. It certainly didn't help those Jews who walked the earth at the time of Christ who rejected Him did it? And they had the law and the prophets and Moses. But those who rejected Him didn't believe, then, just as people today don't believe. It's not based on race. It's based on faith. The truth found in the law and the prophets and psalms all pointed to Christ, the salvation of God and the New Covenant--for all mankind including the Gentiles. Those who understood the Scriptures, see Christ and those truths in both the Old and the New. Both reveal God's Truth. .

I had to laugh where you attempted to claim that the example given of Zacharias and Elizabeth keeping the law was your proof people can keep it. Zacharias was a priest in the Temple.. Do you have that same temple to go to? Are you keeping ALL the commandments, from sacrifices in the temple for sin and so on, precisely as given by God through Moses, in all things? If not, you incur the curses...

Before Christ died, Zacharias and Elizabeth were doing what all Jews were supposed to be doing. However, one could still abide by the precepts of the law and harbour sin in their hearts, just as the pharisees did; they went to great lengths to keep the letter and missed the important things. Plus, not everyone was like Zacharias and Elizabeth. They were good people who loved and believed God, and very much so, in that they gave birth to John the Baptist, who was the prophesied messenger before the Lord. But on the whole, Israel was astray, and especially the leaders. As prophecy portrayed, the people were sheep without a shepherd.

And what did Peter say in Acts 15---Why did the Jews want to put the YOKE on the Gentiles which neither they nor the fathers could bear? The yoke was the necessity of trying to keep all the ordinance and laws....and this before the temple was destroyed closing that issue forever. And Peter made that statement in Acts 15, because he and the others had and were learning that after Christ died and rose again, ushering in the New Covenant for all mankind, that no longer were they bound to that necessity. Jesus had said His yoke was easy and His burden was light. Far different than the yoke of the Law Peter made reference to.

The Gospel was first preached in Jerusalem and spread from there. Peter getting the vision of the unclean animals and the timing of it ties in with the gospel moving out of Judea and Samaria, and ever outward from there. When Peter has the vision, it fits perfectly with the mission of the apostles, since for a time he was living among Gentiles, to show the truth of the prophecy of salvation to the Gentiles as well as the Jews, and to bring them to Christ. He was spreading the gospel to the Gentiles to confirm the truth that they too could be saved...that was part of his mission. And for him it was fully necessary to understand that not only were all those animals now clean to eat, but the Gentiles who ate them without a thought, were also able to be clean before God, because of Christ. And he and others needed to be able to sit and eat with whoever God put in their hearts to share the Truth of Jesus Christ with. Because no longer were people unclean simply because of who they were by race, just as people were no longer clean by race or the law. All were separated from God because He declared all under sin. And there was no way to Him except through Jesus Christ. It was all about Christ.

Quote:Are you following the text you provided? It’s telling you that these people confused Paul’s words and then confused the scriptures (Genesis through Malachi) by his words. This means that the two have to line-up, so if you say Paul says don’t do something mentioned in the scriptures, and Peter is telling you that those who are not well instructed by the scriptures will miss the message Paul is giving… Do you think you fall on Peter’s side with this? Am I not the one correcting what you say according to the Law? We can start with the food laws, is that not in the law, and aren’t you telling me to leave it back there because Paul says otherwise?

Nearyah. The Scriptures include the epistles and letters of the apostles, and the gospels--theNT. That's why Peter was writing to the believers and telling those things. People who couldn't understand Paul's teachings, which he had written to those same believers, Peter was writing to also and the same teachings were found in Paul's other epistles----which were Scripture, just as Peter's writings were Scripture, because the apostles were laying the foundation of the doctrine for all believers--and in Paul's writings were SOME things which were hard to be understood. And those who were unstable or unlearned perverted, twisted, to their own destruction. Sort of like the example above of you twisting and not comprehending what John 7:49 said and by whom.

2Pe 3:15 And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him ***hath written unto you; ***
>>As also in all his epistles, >>>speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, *****which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, ****as they do also the other scriptures,***** unto their own destruction

wrest G4761
στρεβλόω
strebloō
Thayer Definition:
1) to twist, turn awry
2) to torture, put to the rack
3) metaphorically to pervert, of one who wrests or tortures language in a false sense

You are not correcting me in anything Nearyah, because you do not understand the Scriptures or the Truth of the Gospel. You cannot teach what you do not know. As has been shown, throughout this thread, the law was nailed to the cross, abolished, made obsolete, blotted out, so that God could make one new man, through faith in Jesus Christ. The wall of separation as found because of the separation of Jews and Gentiles, because of the things of the law, was now removed by Christ. The promised New Covenant, not like the covenant given to Israel, was now enacted. The very term, not like, means it is different. It is not the same. Each are unique for the purposes of God. That is His choice. As far as your claim Paul said to keep the food laws....I think this is where your wresting the Scriptures to your own destruction takes place.

How many times, in how many verses did Paul address the issue of food? And how many times have they been posted into this and other threads? More than I care to count.

Romans 14:14-23 I know, and am persuaded by the Lord Jesus, that there is nothing unclean of itself: but to him that esteemeth any thing to be unclean, to him it is unclean. 15. But if thy brother be grieved with thy meat, now walkest thou not charitably. Destroy not him with thy meat, for whom Christ died. 16. Let not then your good be evil spoken of: 17. For the kingdom of God is not meat and drink; but righteousness, and peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost. 18. For he that in these things serveth Christ is acceptable to God, and approved of men. 19. Let us therefore follow after the things which make for peace, and things wherewith one may edify another. 20. For meat destroy not the work of God. All things indeed are pure; but it is evil for that man who eateth with offence. 21. It is good neither to eat flesh, nor to drink wine, nor any thing whereby thy brother stumbleth, or is offended, or is made weak. 22. Hast thou faith? have it to thyself before God. Happy is he that condemneth not himself in that thing which he alloweth. 23. And he that doubteth is damned if he eat, because he eateth not of faith: for whatsoever is not of faith is sin.

1Co 10:25 Whatsoever is sold in the shambles, that eat, asking no question for conscience sake:
1Co 10:26 For the earth is the Lord's, and the fulness thereof.
1Co 10:27 If any of them that believe not bid you to a feast, and ye be disposed to go; whatsoever is set before you, eat, asking no question for conscience sake.

Nearyah, I think this topic has been exhaustive in scope to you. You can accept or reject what has been said. But I think it's time for you to move on from this thread. And that doesn't mean hijack other threads and spew the same things over and over again. You need to lose the idea you are here to teach anything. Because you are not.

1Ti 4:2 Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;
1Ti 4:3 Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth.
1Ti 4:4 For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving:
1Ti 4:5 For it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer.
1Ti 4:6 If thou put the brethren in remembrance of these things, thou shalt be a good minister of Jesus Christ, nourished up in the words of faith and of good doctrine, whereunto thou hast attained.

[Ne'arYah]

All I can say is you must really miss me when I don't reply quickly. I didn't know you had so much love for me

Let's begin with this since the other posts were you trying to find your way.

(05-14-2011 07:41 PM)Vic Wrote:  

Quote:Original quote: Ne’arYah: So you’re introducing Galatians into the discussion.

Several times already, yes. Because Scripture interprets Scripture and that passage is relevant to the Vision and what it meant to Peter. Nearyah is referring to my post #136 for those reading along.

Quote:Original quote: Ne’arYah: This is the text you presented the other day along with some definitions from Strong’s which said to live after the manner of gentiles meant to do the following. Personally, I’m looking at the third definition #3 because it describes the meaning of the other two by using the term “in the NT”. ...

Quote:
adapted to the genius or customs of a people, peculiar to a people, national
2) suited to the manners or language of foreigners, strange, foreign
3) in the NT savouring of the nature of pagans, alien to the worship of the true God, heathenish
3a) of the pagan, the Gentile
Part of Speech: noun masculine
Are you asking me to believe that this is the nature of Peter living among the gentiles? Galatians tells me better than this when I add more to the chapter you started me with through verses 11-14. I’m now giving you verse 15 and 16 to add to it.

Of course you again have it incorrect for the definition source. It wasn't Strong's. It was Thayers. But I digress.

So now you want to take the definitions supplied--omit the first 2 which are in context to the meaning-- and wrap them around YOUR interpretation instead of studying and applying the correct definition. You want to dismiss the obvious definition and insert the obviously incorrect application.

LOL. Nearyah, look closely at what you have done:

Before we look closely at what “I have done”, as if I made these definitions up that you provided. It only makes sense to apply definition 3 because it specifically states that it was for the New Testament and that is where we find the book of Galatians, not to be insulting but that’s me using common sense… You've provided us with this information, so please do not accuse me of anything. I'm not the one saying he lived as a pagan. I know better because I've read the following verses that tell us he as a Jew (not the sinner Jew, but the one that keep the commandment Jew) doesn't live in that manner. I see now after reading through some of your post that this is going to become a law topic from the many references that you made to the Sinai covenant.

Picking-up where we left-off let’s see what you’re accusing me of doing based off the definition you've provided.

Quote:From my post:[/b] [/color]

Quote:Paul, a Jew, rebuked Peter, a Jew, for being a hypocrite for living like the Gentiles and "not as do the Jews". Before Christ died, all The Jews lived according to the law of Moses which included CLEAN and UNCLEAN FOOD and separation from non Jews.

The Gentiles did not live according to clean and unclean food--amongst many other things that THE JEWS were required to do according to the Law of Moses--and the Gentiles were not part of.

PETER was ***living*** "after the manner of Gentiles, and not as do the Jews," AND, "he did eat with the Gentiles:".

after the manner of Gentiles,G1483

G1483
ἐθνικῶς
ethnikōs
Thayer Definition:
1) like the Gentiles
Part of Speech: adverb
A Related Word by Thayer’s/Strong’s Number: from G1482 >>>

G1482
ἐθνικός
ethnikos
Thayer Definition:
1) adapted to the genius or customs of a people, peculiar to a people, national
2) suited to the manners or language of foreigners, strange, foreign
3) in the NT savouring of the nature of pagans, alien to the worship of the true God, heathenish
3a) of the pagan, the Gentile
Part of Speech: noun masculine

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Nearyah, See where I put the >>> after the definition of 1483 and it was pointing to the related word of 1482--------that isn't the definition of "after the manner of the Gentiles."--1483 was that definition. I was merely providing the related word defintion to show the first 2 definitions there in comparison to "after the manner of the Gentiles" was.
Because those Gentiles who were seeking the Truth and wanting to hear how to be saved and subsequently became BELIEVERS, [b]were no longer going to be 'savouring the nature of the pagans". They were being taught to follow Christ. Gentiles with and alternately without Christ, live different lives and have different purposes. To even suggest that the Scriptures were stating Peter was living a pagan existance and had become a pagan/heathen is absurd at best. That is similar to suggesting that because Jesus sat with sinners He sinned. [And Peter was not the only one to go to the Gentiles. However, Peter was apostle to particular Gentiles, and as were Paul and those who worked with him. Because of the Vision of the Sheet.

[/b]

I underline and bold some of what I think we agree on, because this is exactly what your telling me he did do based off a vision he said had nothing to do with food. Peter was a Jew so even if we want to tamper with the idea that the law was only for them (Jews), we still have him being committed to it. This need to be pointed out for others I've seen post this them verses us mindset, not necessarily yourself, but others.


So you say he was teaching the people to live after the way of Yahusha (Jesus). I guess the obvious question becomes this. Show me where DELETED lives after the manner of gentiles eating their foods? Let me ask this in a more concrete yes or no scenario. Did the Son actually eat contrary to the law? No.
When the Son went after sinners did he convert to their lifestyle, or did he convert their life style to his? I gave you a very clear picture of what Paul and James taught the people through the book of Acts, and it was every bit of the law given to gentiles.

Quote:
Let's finish my post quote from that prior post, which you have never been able to answer the questions to, without all this sidetracking and strawmen.

Quote:not >as do the Jews,G2452

G2452
Ἰουδαΐκώς
Ioudaikōs
Thayer Definition:
1) Jewishly, after the manner of the Jews
Part of Speech: adverb
A Related Word by Thayer’s/Strong’s Number: from G2451

why >>>compellest

G315
ἀναγκάζω
anagkazō
Thayer Definition:
1) to necessitate, compel, drive to, constrain
1a) by force, threats, etc.
1b) by permission, entreaties, etc.
1c) by other means
Part of Speech: verb

Gentiles> to live as do the Jews?G2450

G2450
Ἰουδαΐ́ζω
Ioudaizō
Thayer Definition:
1) to adopt Jewish customs and rites, imitate the Jews, Judaise
1a) one who observes the ritual law of the Jews
Part of Speech: verb
A Related Word by Thayer’s/Strong’s Number: from G2453

Gal 2:11 But when Peter was come to Antioch, I withstood him to the face, because he was to be blamed.
Gal 2:12 *** For before that certain came from James, >>he did eat with the Gentiles<<<: but when they were come, [b]he withdrew and separated himself, fearing them which were of the circumcision. [/b]
Gal 2:13 And the other Jews dissembled likewise with him; insomuch that Barnabas also was carried away with their dissimulation.
Gal 2:14 But when I saw that [/b]they walked not uprightly according to the truth of the gospel, I said unto Peter before them all, If thou, being a Jew,************* livest after the manner of Gentiles, and not as do the Jews,************** why compellest thou the Gentiles************* to live as do the Jews?**********

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
eat G4906
συνεσθίω
sunesthiō
Thayer Definition:
1)[b] to eat with, take food together withPart of Speech: verb
A Related Word by Thayer’s/Strong’s Number: from G4862 and G2068 (including its alternate)

*******from the definition above for eat*********"from G4862 and G2068 (including its alternate)"
G4862
σύν
sun
Thayer Definition:
1) with
Part of Speech: preposition
A Related Word by Thayer’s/Strong’s Number: a primary preposition denoting union

G2068
ἐσθίω
esthiō
Thayer Definition:
1) to eat
2) to eat (consume) a thing
2a) to take food, eat a meal
3) metaphorically to devour, consume
Part of Speech: verb [/b]

Peter was eating with and living with the Gentiles in the manner of the Gentiles. Yet he was a Jew. So either he disobeyed the Mosaic Law and was in sin, or it was as Paul wrote when Peter separated from the Gentiles he had been eating and living with, he and the others "walked not uprightly according to the truth of the Gospel." It can't be both. Peter was living in the same manner as the Gentiles, in food and nothing being unclean to them. He was with people who, if he was abiding the law of Moses, would have been unclean for him to be with. Let alone eat with or partake of their food.

So I bold, and changed the font size on some of your comments to bring out certain things. Before I get into my response could you please point out just one verse or even definition that tells us what they ate? I got the whole who he ate with, but does that mean we all eat the same even in todays time. For example we all eat together here at work, but we order different foods for vegetarians that eat with us. I eat tofu they’ll eat ribs. Your thinking is like saying we all went to McDonalds and therefore we all ordered the same thing. Come on man… Is this really a straw mans argument or is it simply truth. Moving on to my real point.

Right now I feel you are making a heavy assumption that Peter was sitting with them and not doing his job as teaching them how to live set-apart unto the Father. I thought I answered your question before, but I'll do it again here. The story does not start in chapter two it starts in Galatians 1:14 where Saul tells us the following
- and I advanced in Judaism beyond many contemporaries among my people, because I was extremely zealous for the traditions of my ancestors. .

I'm not really debating this point with you but these traditions of judaism are the same traditions that we see DELETED (Jesus) telling the Pharisee's not to place above the Fathers. Please pay attention here because it’s about to become clear through the scriptures you've provided as we move forward.


Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men. For laying aside the commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men,- (Mark 7:7-8){{{{{VERSION??????}}}} and incomplete quote]


So let's relate this to what Paul is facing while dealing with Peter and his walk, and what made these people different living to the true gospel. The key here is that they used the law to subvert people, but the law itself was not designed to work the way they used it. 1 Tim 1:8 says that the law of Moses is a good thing for the one who uses it lawfully. Obviously these people were not doing that with the law. Let's follow the story line you've given us and I'll comment along the way.

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And believe it or not. Peter did not have a thermos of kosher coffee, and a lunchpail of 'clean' food, as he sat and ate with these Gentiles. Peter didn't say to them, Oh by the way, I brought my own breakfast, lunch and supper, and snacks, because your food is filth to me. But rest assured, God told me that you aren't filthy to me any longer. So I can be in your house and sit near you, but your food is really filthy to me so I won't be eating it. IN fact, I pretty much need to eat by myself because your food is an abomination to me and I can't allow myself to be defiled by even being near it. But not to worry. I can preach about our Savior Jesus Christ to you from the other room maybe or maybe through a window in your house.

Simply put, you are assuming that he didn't do any of these things. More importantly, as it applies to the main story we are discussing. The bible tells you the following about the house Peter was welcomed to

He was a devout man and feared God along with his whole household. He did many charitable deeds for the [Jewish] people. (Acts 10:2)

So if we’re going to start playing the guessing game (which I’m not). I think we would be better to guess that this man knew what Peter would eat according to Torah and would have most assured got Peter his food if he didn’t already have it himself.
But lets get into my point about all of this...

Galatians was clearly related to the vision of the sheet and what it meant. That's why it was brought into the conversation. It had precisely the application of what was meant by the vision. And how some had not been taught nor understood not just that issue, but the prophecies about the Gentiles also being given salvation if they believed Christ, and that the promise of salvation was not based on the laws given to the fathers, but via the new covenant. We know it was after the vision of the Sheet. Because otherwise Peter would not have broken the Law of Moses in order to be sitting with, living with and after the manner of the Gentiles, and eating after the manner of the Gentiles. We know that it took place before Acts 15 because of what was said:

So before we go any further, I placed Mark 7:7-8 in this response so that you could see that your assumption of what the term "law of our fathers, and traditions of our fathers” does not mean Torah, it meant man traditions (oral law). We see the same thing taking place a few other times throughout the NT but we can see this clearly in Mark 7. So we automatically have a problem with your angle or insight as to what is taking place. Furthermore, I also showed you the same term being used in Galatians 1:14 "law of our fathers and that passage goes as far to tell us that it was Judaism, which is most definitely not the Torah. Hopefully, this is sinking in because you’re leading us directly to the point of understanding. Above you mentioned that these people did not understand gentiles were being saved through the Son, and not the law. Well let me ask you something...

Who was saved through the law?


This becomes important in the next step of your approach on this entire topic because realizing that no one was means that nothing changed from the time before Christ or after. In other words, even when the law was empowered during the time of Moses living life, those men were not saved by the law either. So the point of your point becomes pointless when we grab this truth. Let's look at David did he keep the law perfect? No. Was he saved? Yes. So we obviously see that something doesn't add up with these men that preached another gospel because they were teaching that the commandments themselves saved.

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Notice first how the topic of Peter living like the Gentiles is brought in by Paul, who was also breaking the Mosaic Law by going to the Gentiles and being with them:

Gal 2:2 And I went up by revelation, and communicated unto them that gospel which I preach among the Gentiles, but privately to them which were of reputation, lest by any means I should run, or had run, in vain.
Gal 2:3 But neither Titus, who was with me, being a Greek, was compelled to be circumcised:
Gal 2:4 And that because of false brethren unawares brought in, who came in privily to spy out our liberty which we have in Christ Jesus, that they might bring us into bondage:
Gal 2:5 To whom we gave place by subjection, no, not for an hour; that the truth of the gospel might continue with you.

Gal 2:9 And when James, Cephas, and John, who seemed to be pillars, perceived the grace that was given unto me, they gave to me and Barnabas the right hands of fellowship; that we should go unto the heathen, and they unto the circumcision.
Gal 2:10 Only they would that we should remember the poor; the same which I also was forward to do.
Gal 2:11 But when Peter was come to Antioch, I withstood him to the face, because he was to be blamed.
Gal 2:12 For before that certain came from James, he did eat with the Gentiles: ...

What does James say in Acts 15, after the reason for the get together is established>

Act 15:1 And certain men which came down from Judaea taught the brethren, and said, Except ye be circumcised after the manner of Moses, ye cannot be saved.
Act 15:2 When therefore Paul and Barnabas had no small dissension and disputation with them, they determined that Paul and Barnabas, and certain other of them, should go up to Jerusalem unto the apostles and elders about this question.

Act 15:5 But there rose up certain of the sect of the Pharisees which believed, saying, That it was needful to circumcise them, and to command them to keep the law of Moses.
Act 15:6 And the apostles and elders came together for to consider of this matter.

Act 15:13 And after they had held their peace, James answered, saying, Men and brethren, hearken unto me:
Act 15:14 Simeon hath declared how God at the first did visit the Gentiles, to take out of them a people for his name.
Act 15:15 And to this agree the words of the prophets; as it is written, ...

Act 15:24 Forasmuch as we have heard, [/b]that certain which went out from us have troubled you with words, subverting your souls, saying, Ye must be circumcised, and keep the law:***** to whom we gave no such commandment: **********

James clearly stated that the men sent from Judaea were not told to command that the Gentiles needed to be circumcised and keep the law of Moses. Instead he said they had troubled them and subverted their souls with those teachings.

I'll address most of this at the end of this post, but I want to highlight the issue, which was get circumcised according to the law to be "SAVED". No where and I mean not even one place do we see the Father telling anyone this, not even before his Son came to us. Circumcision does not save anyone, it was this twisting mindset of the law that was being taken away. This is why Paul says to them in Gal 6:12

12 Those who want to make a good showing in the flesh are the ones who would compel you to be circumcised —but only to avoid being persecuted for the cross of Christ. ] {{{{{VERSION??????}}}}



These people taught through the Law of Moses that the gospel (news) of circumcision saves you, and dismissed the idea that Yahusha saves you. This is not a reflection of the torah teachings, but more so a reflection of oral understanding of torah (rabbanical law). The Torah does not teach this whatsoever, it teaches that it is DELETED who saves. So this is the tradition and purpose that the fathers put into circumcision. The law of Moses was not the issue, if the Law of Moses was the issue, or the thing that subverts us from Yah then why in the world do they even suggest us going to here that craziness in verse 21.

For since ancient times, Moses has had in every city those who proclaim him, and he is read aloud in the synagogues every Sabbath day
(Acts 15:21) {{{{{VERSION??????}}}}


This is once again within the chapter you've provided. I haven't even gone to other passages in the new testament written to the saints of now that tells them to follow the law.
Let’s continue…

Quote:And as Paul wrote to the Galatians>[/b]

Gal 6:12 As many as desire to make a fair shew in the flesh, they constrain you to be circumcised; only lest they should suffer persecution for the cross of Christ.
Gal 6:13 For neither they themselves who are circumcised keep the law; but desire to have you circumcised, that they may glory in your flesh.

And also notice what Paul says about keeping company with those of the world versus those who are brethren who by choice sin even though they know the truth:

1Co 5:9 I wrote unto you in an epistle not to company with fornicators:
1Co 5:10 Yet not altogether with the fornicators of this world, or with the covetous, or extortioners, or with idolaters; for then must ye needs go out of the world.
1Co 5:11 But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat.

One cannot share Christ with others unless one can be with those who need Him. That's a lesson all need to learn, just as Peter and the other Jews needed to learn that all, regardless of race, sin, and can be made clean in Christ.

So if you follow your thoughts through here. It would seem as if you are trying to tell me that I am an extortioner, drunkard, railer, idolater and more because I keep the law that tells me not to do those things? Please tell me you now see how that passage works with oral traditions so we don't have to unravel this? Furthermore let’s think about what you are saying. According to you no outsiders could even talk to those in the old covenant right? So how did they get a mixed people then, who were the stranger among them? This story can not run with the entirety of scripture because we see gentiles being in the faith even then. So this point means nothing.

Quote:Original quote: Ne’arYah: We who are Jews by nature, and not sinners of the Gentiles, 16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified. (Galatians 2:15-16) What Shaul is saying here is that they the set- apart did not live, nor walk in their (gentile) customs, he even goes as far to call their custom sin, which is obvious from the definition you’ve applied. He continues on to tell the people that they are all submitted to Yahusha (Jesus). I can give you a whole days worth of the term “works by the law” and what studies have shown this to mean according to the Dead Sea Scrolls. But let’s just stick with the bible and go back one chapter, right before Shaul sets up why he dug into Peter. And profited in the Jews' religion above many my equals in mine own nation, being more exceedingly zealous of the traditions of my fathers (Galatians 1:14)...

Nearyah, Jews by nature is meaning the whole people who were given the Sinai covenant to live by and were doing it because it was fully a part of their lives.

The Gentiles ---without Christ-- were sinners TOO. Just like the Jews. The point Paul was making was that no one is saved by the law. According to the Dead Seas Scrolls? would that be the gnostic ones or the ones that uphold the Scriptures?

Oh Yes! Paul did profit in the Jews religion.....I already answered your comment on that before and posted it to YOU, but will repost it again for you, just as all that you bring forward is the same stuff in over 70 posts. The same things again and again. Post #80

Quote:Original quote: Ne’arYah:>And profited in the Jews' religion above many my equals in mine own nation, being more exceedingly zealous of the traditions of my fathers. But when it pleased God, who separated me from my mother's womb, and called me by his grace, ( Gal 1:14-15). This should tell you something

[quote] Yes, Ne'aryah, it tells us that before Christ died and rose again, Paul was zealous in the Jews religion--a pharisee of the pharisees, of the tribe of Benjamin, and so zealous in the Jews religion and in agreement with what the other Pharisees were teaching, he had rejected Christ and persecuted the church after Christ was crucified--both Jews and Gentiles...Acts 7,8; [b]Jesus told the pharisees that they had invalidated the word of God with their traditions. And what did Paul say after he had persecuted the church, and was there even when Stephen was stoned to death and Christ finally delivered Paul; Paul said, and I quote:[/b]

Philippians 3:4-18 Though I might also have confidence in the flesh. If any other man thinketh that he hath whereof he might trust in the flesh, I more: 5. Circumcised the eighth day, of the stock of Israel, of the tribe of Benjamin, an Hebrew of the Hebrews; as touching the law, a Pharisee; 6. Concerning zeal, persecuting the church; touching the
righteousness which is in the law, blameless. 7. But what things were gain to me, those I counted loss for Christ. 8. Yea doubtless, and I count all things but loss for the excellency of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord: for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and do count them but dung, that I may win Christ, 9. And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith: 10. That I may know him, and the power of his resurrection, and the fellowship of his sufferings, being made conformable unto his death; 11. If by any means I might attain unto the resurrection of the dead. 12. Not as though I had already attained, either were already perfect: but I follow after, if that I may apprehend that for which also I am apprehended of Christ Jesus. 13. Brethren, I count not myself to have apprehended: but this one thing I do, forgetting those things which are behind, and reaching forth unto those things which are before, 14. I press toward the mark for the prize of the high calling of God in Christ Jesus. 15. Let us therefore, as many as be perfect, be thus minded: and if in any thing ye be otherwise minded, God shall reveal even this unto you. 16. Nevertheless, whereto we have already attained, let us walk by the same rule, let us mind the same thing. 17. Brethren, be followers together of me, and mark them which walk so as ye have us for an ensample. 18. (For many walk, of whom I have told you often, and now tell you even weeping, that they are the enemies of the cross of Christ:

So let's keep going with Paul where he explains this clearer for you to hopefully grasp and not dismiss everything he is saying about the high calling of DELETED

[Moderated by Vic for changing the Scriptures---violation of the Law of the Land--aka copyright --YOU DO NOT CHANGE THE WORD CONTENT AS IT VIOLATES and MISREPRESENTS WHAT WAS PUBLISHED]

10For in that he died, he died unto sin once: but in that he liveth, he liveth unto [b] DELETED .[/b]

11Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto [b] DELETED 12Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof.

13Neither yield ye your members as instruments of unrighteousness unto sin: but yield yourselves unto [b] DELETED , as those that are alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness unto DELETED [/b]

14For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.

15What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? [b][b] DELETED .[/b]

16Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?

17But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you.

18Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness.
(Romans 6:11-17)

I guess the next question is where can we find a righteous standard of living? Well if you read through that slowly he told you that the unrighteous live a lifestyle of sin.

1 John 3:4 Everyone who commits sin also breaks the law; sin is the breaking of law. [b]{{{{{VERSION??????}}}}

So if we know that sin is breaking the commandments and Saul tells us that we should not sin. We now have part of the puzzle. Yet he tells us to be slaves in righteousness. Well look what the Torah says about righteousness.

Deut 6:25
Righteousness will be ours if we are careful to follow every one of these commands before the LORD our God, as He has commanded us.' {{{{{VERSION??????}}}}

So all and all what he is saying is that you don't have to keep the law for justification because no one can do that, we all fall short of that goal, even if we walk perfect after coming to him, thus making us convicted by the law. However, he tells you that you are to live as a slave to righteousness in full capacity because you are to live unto Yahuah. You are his slave! Called to obedience in all things to him- notice verse 16 says obedience unto righteousness. This also includes eating, taking a year off with your wife when you get married, keeping a Sabbath and more. You are a slave to him not man made doctrines. This is the reason the law is alive and breathing, it identifies sin and we are told to use this entire law for our way in righteousness, to use it even for doctrine.


All Scripture is inspired by God and is profitable for teaching, for rebuking, for correcting, for training in righteousness, 17 so that the man of God may be complete, equipped for every good work. (2 Tim 3:16) {{{{{VERSION??????}}}}

Are you seeing how this by no means contradicts accepting DELETED (Jesus) saving us? It is through this route that we are his for the ones who love him keep his commandments. This has nothing to do with if you are a Jew or a gentile, but it has everything to do with being called to him, and walking just as he walked in everyway.
You find me a Jesus that walked and ate what he wanted, and I'll find you a false prophet. For my DELETED (God) is the man that could not sin 1 Peter 2:22, which means he couldn’t even speak against the torah ( if we need to go over some of this Matthew 5 stuff we can) although this one passage is telling you those things you think you see in that chapter are impossible.


For we are to crave to be one with him as he was with the father (John 14:19-21) {{{{{VERSION??????}}}}


I'll pause here because I don't want to go a step further until we cover this. I believe all of your thoughts feed from this passage in my opinion.


Let me also say that I lead by example in admitting my error in scripture. And I mistakenly used John 7:49 as DELETED talking, and I apologies to all who took it to the bank to cash. It’s for this reason that I give the reference to the scriptures that I use, especially when they are not popular verses.

But let me be quick to say that it literally changes nothing about the point I was making.
Shalom
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[Vic]

What did I tell you Nearyah?
Let me restate what I said in my very last post to you.

Nearyah, I think this topic has been exhaustive in scope to you. You can accept or reject what has been said. But I think it's time for you to move on from this thread. And that doesn't mean hijack other threads and spew the same things over and over again. You need to lose the idea you are here to teach anything. Because you are not.

And what did you just attempt to do, Nearyah? Aside from not leaving the thread alone? YOU again attempt to teach what you do not understand or know. That is, you do not understand the Gospel nor what Christ did, nor do you have understanding of the topic of this thread, it's that simple.

You also were asked many times to use english and yet persist in your made up names and Hebrew. You are posting supposed scripture with no recognition of version source and violate copyright law by changing the published words. How very torah observant of you. OOPS my mistake---you can't keep the law, because it was nailed to the cross, abolished, made obsolete...but nice example of how it isn't being kept by those who say they keep it...

You twist and pervert what is said, alongside the Scriptures, and answer what you want things to mean so you can dispense your 'wisdom.' You bypass what is really said and asked and what the Scriptures really mean. And you certainly bypassed most of what has been said to you in those 6 posts, let alone from other posters.

IF I or anyone else decides to answer your mess -and that is totally what it is--, it will be not according to your perceived bait and goad comments about, "All I can say is you must really miss me when I don't reply quickly. I didn't know you had so much love for me Let's begin with this since the other posts were you trying to find your way."----absolutely no one was waiting with baited breath for a response from you since you were very specifically told to discontinue posting in this thread. You appear to listen as well to administration/moderation statements as you do the Scriptures. Which is being well noticed and tallied.

Any answer to your final and last post<<#163>> on this thread will be strictly as GOD leads. Not you.

[Rose of Shushan]

Quote:But wait there’s more….
For thus saith the LORD, Behold, I will extend peace to her like a river, and the glory of the Gentiles like a flowing stream: then shall ye suck, ye shall be borne upon her sides, and be dandled upon her knees. As one whom his mother comforteth, so will I comfort you; and ye shall be comforted in Jerusalem. And when ye see this, your heart shall rejoice, and your bones shall flourish like an herb: and the hand of the LORD shall be known toward his servants, and his indignation toward his enemies. For, behold, the LORD will come with fire, and with his chariots like a whirlwind, to render his anger with fury, and his rebuke with flames of fire. For by fire and by his sword will the LORD plead with all flesh: and the slain of the LORD shall be many. They that sanctify themselves, and purify themselves in the gardens behind one tree in the midst, eating swine's flesh, and the abomination, and the mouse, shall be consumed together, saith the LORD. (Isaiah 66:12-17)

And the point is?
Since you highlighted some verses there I presume you mean some thing by them? In order to avoid answering the wrong thing perhaps you could clarify what your point was..

[YYZ Skinhead]

I hope this isn't redundant (does it even fit in this thread?), but in Genesis 7 God told Noah to take all the clean land animals--ruminants--into the ark in sevens, and the unclean in pairs, and the birds (no distinction is made between clean and unclean) in sevens.

Gen 7:1 And the LORD said unto Noah, Come thou and all thy house into the ark;
Gen 7:2 Of every clean beast thou shalt take to thee by sevens, the male and his female: and of beasts that [are] not clean by two, the male and his female.
Gen 7:3 Of fowls also of the air by sevens, the male and the female; to keep seed alive upon the face of all the earth.

The verses seem to imply that the clean animals were to be eaten while the ark was sealed. Seven of every ruminant species (there are hundreds) would certainly sustain eight humans for the length of time they were in the ark. Were humans eating meat before the flood? God distinguished between clean and unclean animals, so what is the basis for the distinction?

[Rose of Shushan]

Quote:I hope this isn't redundant (does it even fit in this thread?), but in Genesis 7 God told Noah to take all the clean land animals--ruminants--into the ark in sevens, and the unclean in pairs, and the birds (no distinction is made between clean and unclean) in sevens.

I hadn't noticed before that fowl weren't given a clean or unclean designation until you pinted it out .This further strengthens my view that at the time there were most likely no clean and unclean designations to food in regard to eating.

Quote:The verses seem to imply that the clean animals were to be eaten while the ark was sealed. Seven of every ruminant species (there are hundreds) would certainly sustain eight humans for the length of time they were in the ark. Were humans eating meat before the flood? God distinguished between clean and unclean animals, so what is the basis for the distinction?

As to whether animals were being eaten before the ark ,I don't see it clear either way right now.We know Abel was a keepr of sheep and that he brought sacrifices of the said sheep.
Were they being eaten? Were the sheep just for wool, milk and cheese? If the Scripture doesn't say they ate milk either do we assume they didn't just because Scripture doesn't say whether they did or not ?And the same for meat, if Scripture is silent on it then we don't really know.Or at least I don't see a definite yes or no for whether they did eat meat or not prior to the flood.

As to the distinction for clean and unclean just prior to the flood, I do think that since no mention is made of clean and unclean in respect of fowl that the distinction must have been for animals being sacrificed,thoughh if they were also consumed I have no idea.

[Vic]

One more thought about the significance of God making the Gentiles and all food clean in Peter's vision. Individuals were made clean by the indwelling of the Holy Spirit because of believing Christ and all He did for us. And because now, God had declared food clean and the law moved out of the way, blotted out and abolished, the Jews were also made clean solely by the Holy Spirit. Nothing was to be viewed as being made unclean or made clean by the Law of Moses. It was ALL removed in place of the cleansing of the Holy Spirit because of Christ dying for our sins. There could be no separation from others or anything for any law based reason. None. Otherwise, if it was only people cleansed, Israel still would be unable to keep company or eat with Gentiles or enter their dwellings to share Jesus Christ-and vice versa. And there could never be unity between believers of different race. And that would overturn in it's entirety the very essence of loving one another as Christ loved all of us.

It wasn't just the truth of seeing the fulfillment of prophecy concerning the Gentiles having salvation through faith. It was that the Jews too also had redemption and salvation through faith in Jesus Christ. One new man in Christ, united in the faith and doctrine once delivered to the saints by Christ through the apostles, and also conveyed to them via the Holy Spirit . And it no longer meant abiding the Sinai Covenant but the promised New Covenant, ie Christ and His law written on our hearts. Both Jews and Gentiles. That is really the summation of the Gospel. People who do not believe that and claim to be believers but want to go by 'clean/unclean' of the Mosaic law, are overturning the Truth of who Christ is and what He did, and many, many Scriptures.

Act 26:18 To open their eyes, and to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan unto God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins, and inheritance among them which are sanctified by faith that is in me.

Heb 2:9 But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.
Heb 2:10 For it became him, for whom are all things, and by whom are all things, in bringing many sons unto glory, to make the captain of their salvation perfect through sufferings.
Heb 2:11 For both he that sanctifieth and they who are sanctified are all of one: for which cause he is not ashamed to call them brethren,

We see the recurring theme of His sacrifice being the culmination of prophecy and promise. The change from the old to the new. Eternal versus the temporal...

Heb 10:1 For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect.
Heb 10:2 For then would they not have ceased to be offered? because that the worshippers once purged should have had no more conscience of sins.
Heb 10:3 But in those sacrifices there is a remembrance again made of sins every year.
Heb 10:4 For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins.
Heb 10:5 Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me:
Heb 10:6 In burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin thou hast had no pleasure.

Heb 10:7 Then said I, Lo, I come (in the volume of the book it is written of me,) to do thy will, O God.
Heb 10:8 Above when he said, Sacrifice and offering and burnt offerings and offering for sin thou wouldest not, neither hadst pleasure therein; which are offered by the law;
Heb 10:9 Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second.
Heb 10:10 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.

Clearly, Jesus was the final sacrifice which purified all who believe. And He took away the first sacrifices and offerings and offerings for sin via the law, and became the one and only final sacrifice which sanctifies, meaning purifies all before God.

Heb 10:11 And every priest standeth daily ministering and offering oftentimes the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins:
Heb 10:12 But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God;

No other could make a sin sacrifice or offering that lasted for ever and simulataneously and subsequently be pure or righteous enough to sit at the right hand of the Father.

Heb 10:13 From henceforth expecting till his enemies be made his footstool.
Heb 10:14 For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.

Sanctified, that is, purified by Christ and each who believe are made complete in Him, and able to be with Him for all eternity. And the crux of the matter being, the promised New Covenant. Where God would write His laws on our hearts and in our minds, because of His promise, and our sins and iniquities would be remembered no more. Christ having already taken the punishment for all our sins.

Heb 10:15 Whereof the Holy Ghost also is a witness to us: for after that he had said before,
Heb 10:16 This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;
Heb 10:17 And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more.

And clearly if our sins are remembered no more by God, there is no more offering needed ever for sin.

Heb 10:18 Now where remission of these is, there is no more offering for sin.

remissionG859
ἄφεσις
aphesis
Thayer Definition:
1) release from bondage or imprisonment
2) forgiveness or pardon, of sins (letting them go as if they had never been committed), remission of the penalty
Part of Speech: noun feminine

Just as the law and pattern of the temple were a shadow and example of the heavenly and what Jesus was to accomplish, the temple and Sinai laws had their purposes which were fulfilled when Christ died. Jesus Christ having purified the way, and removed the veil, He alone is the High Priest over the house of God.

Heb 10:1 For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect.
Heb 10:2 For then would they not have ceased to be offered? because that the worshippers once purged should have had no more conscience of sins.
Heb 10:3 But in those sacrifices there is a remembrance again made of sins every year.
Heb 10:4 For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins.
Heb 10:5 Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me:
Heb 10:6 In burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin thou hast had no pleasure.

Heb 10:19 Having therefore, brethren, boldness to enter into the holiest by the blood of Jesus,
Heb 10:20 By a new and living way, which he hath consecrated for us, through the veil, that is to say, his flesh;
Heb 10:21 And having an high priest over the house of God;
Heb 10:22 Let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience, and our bodies washed with pure water.
Heb 10:23 Let us hold fast the profession of our faith without wavering; (for he is faithful that promised;)
Heb 10:24 And let us consider one another to provoke unto love and to good works:

If it had been possible to attain perfection through the law established Levitical priesthood--there would have been no need for Christ to come after the order of Melchisdec---having no beginning and no end, showing His divinity. And because of that change, that Christ was not of the Levitical priesthood made under the law, but from God, it required, it necessitated a change of the law.

Heb 7:11 If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,) what further need was there that another priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron?
Heb 7:12 For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.
Heb 7:13 For he of whom these things are spoken pertaineth to another tribe, of which no man gave attendance at the altar.

Christ came as the New Covenant, bringing salvation and eternal life, which was never a part of the Levitical priesthood or encompassed in the Mosaic Law.

Heb 7:14 For it is evident that our Lord sprang out of Juda; of which tribe Moses spake nothing concerning priesthood.
Heb 7:15 And it is yet far more evident: for that after the similitude of Melchisedec there ariseth another priest,
Heb 7:16 Who is made, not after the law of a carnal commandment, but after the power of an endless life.
Heb 7:17 For he testifieth, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec.

Because of that, the abolition, putting away of the commandments contained in the Sinai covenant, because it had proven weak and unprofitable. Not because the law itself was not good, but because people are imperfect and continuously faltered in attempting to keep it, and failed, and absolutely none were ever sin free.

Heb 7:18 For there is verily a disannulling of the commandment going before for the weakness and unprofitableness thereof.

disannullingG115
ἀθέτησις
athetēsis
Thayer Definition:
1) abolition, disannulling, put away, rejection
Part of Speech: noun feminine
A Related Word by Thayer’s/Strong’s Number: from G114

Because the law made nothing perfect, that is, completed or perfected and without sin, the promise of that better hope in the New Covenant, authored and provided by God Himself, made it possible to be completed in Christ.

Heb 7:19 For the law made nothing perfect, but the bringing in of a better hope did; by the which we draw nigh unto God.
Heb 7:20 And inasmuch as not without an oath he was made priest:
Heb 7:21 (For those priests were made without an oath; but this with an oath by him that said unto him, The Lord sware and will not repent, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec

Promised by God Himself, Jesus was made the surety or bondsman or the pledge of the better testament or covenant. Priests always died and could never keep giving the required sin sacrifice. Jesus stands forever, and ever makes intercession for us. Therefore we have an unchangeable priesthood that can never die. Pure, holy , sinless and made higher than the heavens, He lives for us. The final sacrifice, once for all. Unlike the prior high priests of the Sinai covenant who had to make sin sacrifices and purify themselves, and who still were not perfect through specific rituals, before attempting to give those limited sacrifices for sin for others, Jesus died once. And because of the oath by God that Jesus would be the priest forever consecrated, which has been since the law was first established. No one can undo what God declared.

Heb 7:22 By so much was Jesus made a surety of a better testament.
Heb 7:23 And they truly were many priests, because they were not suffered to continue by reason of death:
Heb 7:24 But this man, because he continueth ever, hath an unchangeable priesthood.
Heb 7:25 Wherefore he is able also to save them to the uttermost that come unto God by him, seeing he ever liveth to make intercession for them.
Heb 7:26 For such an high priest became us, who is holy, harmless, undefiled, separate from sinners, and made higher than the heavens;
Heb 7:27 Who needeth not daily, as those high priests, to offer up sacrifice, first for his own sins, and then for the people's: for this he did once, when he offered up himself.
Heb 7:28 For the law maketh men high priests which have infirmity; but the word of the oath, which was since the law, maketh the Son, who is consecrated for evermore.

The summation of these truths:

Heb 8:1 Now of the things which we have spoken this is the sum: We have such an high priest, who is set on the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in the heavens;
Heb 8:2 A minister of the sanctuary, and of the true tabernacle, which the Lord pitched, and not man.
Heb 8:3 For every high priest is ordained to offer gifts and sacrifices: wherefore it is of necessity that this man have somewhat also to offer.
Heb 8:4 For if he were on earth, he should not be a priest, seeing that there are priests that offer gifts according to the law:

Heb 8:5 Who serve unto the example and shadow of heavenly things, as Moses was admonished of God when he was about to make the tabernacle: for, See, saith he, that thou make all things according to the pattern shewed to thee in the mount.

Heb 8:6 But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises.
Heb 8:7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second.

Heb 8:8 For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:
Heb 8:9 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord.

Heb 8:10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:
Heb 8:11 And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest.
Heb 8:12 For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more.

Heb 8:13 In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.

Hebrews is believed to have been written before the destruction of the Temple, which is why it states v 13 and similar. The destruction of the temple ended the "example and shadow of the heavenly things". Which is why Moses was admonished to make things precisely as God commanded. The promised New Covenant promised by God had arrived.

The promises were made by God 430 years before the Sinai Covenant. The promises were made to Abraham and his seed, which is Christ. The law cannot disannul or overturn the promises of the new covenant.

Gal 3:16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.
Gal 3:17 And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect.
Gal 3:18 For if the inheritance be of the law, it is no more of promise: but God gave it to Abraham by promise.

Why did Israel serve the law. Because of transgessions/sin UNTIL THE SEED SHOULD COME. So the law was the schoolmaster for Israel until Christ came. That the promise by faith of Jesus Christ would justify all. No longer under the law, but walking in faith in Jesus Christ, according to God's promise of salvation and the new covenant.

Gal 3:19 Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.
Gal 3:20 Now a mediator is not a mediator of one, but God is one.
Gal 3:21 Is the law then against the promises of God? God forbid: for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law.
Gal 3:22 But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.
Gal 3:23 But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.
Gal 3:24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
Gal 3:25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.
Gal 3:26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.

All are sanctified in the exact same way-via believing Christ [faith] and the indwelling Holy Spirit. All are to have the same doctrine of Christ and the gospel as conveyed by the apostles. All have redemption the same way. All have God's Law written on their hearts and minds--these same things should be understood in our doctrine because of Christ.

That it is the fulfillment of prophecy. God's promised salvation and redemption to all who believe.

The righteousness which came by the law, via the temple worship in the Sinai covenant is symbolic with the indwelling of His Spirit since we are now the temple of the Holy Spirit.

The very example and symbolism of the law and all it contained was totally the example of what Christ did and who He is. We have no righteousness of our own or through the law. He alone is our righteousness...

Rom 3:21 But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;
Rom 3:22 Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:
Rom 3:23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;
Rom 3:24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:

2Co 5:21 For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.

Gal 2:20 I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.
Gal 2:21 I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.

[Vic]

I am going to backtrack because of a lack of understanding of the meaning of sanctification by Nearyah:

Quote:Post 73> Original by Nearyah>
...I want to pull out one verse to help us line the food laws up correctly here.

1 timothy 4: 5For it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer

So the word sanctified in all its renditions simply means to be set-apart, no different than you or I are to walk and live a sanctified (set-apart) life. So when something is sanctified by the word of God… What foods do we apply to that system? It would have to be exactly what Sara was hinting to; the foods mentioned in Leviticus 11.

I think this covers the Old and New Testament.

No, that isn't exactly what sanctified means. This is what it means:

G37
ἁγιάζω
hagiazō
Thayer Definition:
1) to render or acknowledge, or to be venerable or hallow
2) to separate from profane things and dedicate to God
2a) consecrate things to God
2b) dedicate people to God
3) to purify
3a) to cleanse externally
3b) to purify by expiation: free from the guilt of sin
3c) to purify internally by renewing of the soul
Part of Speech: verb

And as we see in this verse, sanctification means something more> 1Co 1:29 That no flesh should glory in his presence. 30 But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption:

G38
ἁγιασμός
hagiasmos
Thayer Definition:
1) consecration, purification
2) the effect of consecration
2a) sanctification of heart and life
Part of Speech: noun masculine

2Th 2:13 But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:

And as per usual the 1 Timothy verse was totally taken out of context and misused by you Nearyah. Here is the full context and teaching of that passage:

1Ti 4:1 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
1Ti 4:2 Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;
1Ti 4:3 Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth.
1Ti 4:4 For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving:
1Ti 4:5 For it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer.
1Ti 4:6 If thou put the brethren in remembrance of these things, thou shalt be a good minister of Jesus Christ, nourished up in the words of faith and of good doctrine, whereunto thou hast attained.

Let's break this down so there can be no confusion or misunderstanding about what it does in fact mean:

commanding to abstain from> meats> G1033
βρῶμα
brōma
Thayer Definition:
1) that which is eaten, food
Part of Speech: noun neuter
A Related Word by Thayer’s/Strong’s Number: from the base of G977
Citing in TDNT: 1:642, 111

which God hath created >G2936
κτίζω
ktizō
Thayer Definition:
1) to make habitable, to people, a place, region, island
1a) to found a city, colony, state
2) to create
2a) of God creating the worlds
2b) to form, shape, i.e. to completely change or transform
Part of Speech: verb

to be receivedG1519 G3336
G1519
εἰς
eis
Thayer Definition:
1) into, unto, to, towards, for, among
Part of Speech: preposition

G3336
μετάληψις
metalēpsis
Thayer Definition:
1) a taking, participation
Part of Speech: noun feminine

with thanksgiving> G2169
εὐχαριστία
eucharistia
Thayer Definition:
1) thankfulness
2) the giving of thanks
Part of Speech: noun feminine

of them which believe>G4103
πιστός
pistos
Thayer Definition:
1) trusty, faithful
1a) of persons who show themselves faithful in the transaction of business, the execution of commands, or the discharge of official duties
1b) one who kept his plighted faith, worthy of trust
1c) that can be relied on
2) easily persuaded
2a) believing, confiding, trusting
2b) in the NT one who trusts in God’s promises
2b1) one who is convinced that Jesus has been raised from the dead
2b2) one who has become convinced that Jesus is the Messiah and author of salvation
Part of Speech: adjective

and know >G1921
ἐπιγινώσκω
epiginōskō
Thayer Definition:
1) to become thoroughly acquainted with, to know thoroughly
1a) to know accurately, know well
2) to know
2a) to recognise
2a1) by sight, hearing, of certain signs, to perceive who a person is
2b) to know, i.e. to perceive
2c) to know, i.e. to find out, ascertain
2d) to know, i.e. to understand
Part of Speech: verb

the truth> G225
ἀλήθεια
alētheia
Thayer Definition:
1) objectively
1a) what is true in any matter under consideration
1a1) truly, in truth, according to truth
1a2) of a truth, in reality, in fact, certainly
1b) what is true in things appertaining to God and the duties of man, moral and religious truth
1b1) in the greatest latitude
1b2) the true notions of God which are open to human reason without his supernatural intervention
1c) the truth as taught in the Christian religion, respecting God and the execution of his purposes through Christ, and respecting the duties of man, opposing alike to the superstitions of the Gentiles and the inventions of the Jews, and the corrupt opinions and precepts of false teachers even among Christians
2) subjectively
2a) truth as a personal excellence
2a1) that candour of mind which is free from affection, pretence, simulation, falsehood, deceit
Part of Speech: noun feminine

Note: every creature of God is good and to be received with thankgiving. Just like what God said to Noah--all creatures were given for meat... So let's define the passage properly.

every G3956
πᾶς
pas
Thayer Definition:
1) individually
1a) each, every, any, all, the whole, everyone, all things,everything
2) collectively
2a) some of all types
Part of Speech: adjective

creature G2938
κτίσμα
ktisma
Thayer Definition:
1) thing founded
2) created thing
Part of Speech: noun neuter
A Related Word by Thayer’s/Strong’s Number: from G2936

is good G2570
καλός
kalos
Thayer Definition:
1) beautiful, handsome, excellent, eminent, choice, surpassing, precious, useful, suitable, commendable, admirable
1a) beautiful to look at, shapely, magnificent
1b) good, excellent in its nature and characteristics, and therefore well adapted to its ends
1b1) genuine, approved
1b2) precious
1b3) joined to names of men designated by their office, competent, able, such as one ought to be
1b4) praiseworthy, noble
1c) beautiful by reason of purity of heart and life, and hence praiseworthy
1c1) morally good, noble
1d) honourable, conferring honour
1e) affecting the mind agreeably, comforting and confirming
Part of Speech: adjective
A Related Word by Thayer’s/Strong’s Number: of uncertain affinity

nothing G3762
οὐδείς
oudeis
Thayer Definition:
1) no one, nothing
Part of Speech: pronoun
A Related Word by Thayer’s/Strong’s Number: from G3761 and G1520

to be refused > G579
ἀπόβλητος
apoblētos
Thayer Definition:
1) thrown away, to be thrown away, rejected, despised, abominated
1a) as unclean
Part of Speech: adjective
A Related Word by Thayer’s/Strong’s Number: from G577

if it be recieved G2983
λαμβάνω
lambanō
Thayer Definition:
1) to take
1a) to take with the hand, lay hold of, any person or thing in order to use it
1a1) to take up a thing to be carried
1a2) to take upon one’s self
1b) to take in order to carry away
1b1) without the notion of violence, i,e to remove, take away
1c) to take what is one’s own, to take to one’s self, to make one’s own
1c1) to claim, procure, for one’s self
1c1a) to associate with one’s self as companion, attendant
1c2) of that which when taken is not let go, to seize, to lay hold of, apprehend
1c3) to take by craft (our catch, used of hunters, fisherman, etc.), to circumvent one by fraud
1c4) to take to one’s self, lay hold upon, take possession of, i.e. to appropriate to one’s self
1c5) catch at, reach after, strive to obtain
1c6) to take a thing due, to collect, gather (tribute)
1d) to take
1d1) to admit, receive
1d2) to receive what is offered
1d3) not to refuse or reject
1d4) to receive a person, give him access to one’s self
1d4a) to regard any one’s power, rank, external circumstances, and on that account to do some injustice or neglect something
1e) to take, to choose, select
1f) to take beginning, to prove anything, to make a trial of, to experience
2) to receive (what is given), to gain, get, obtain, to get back
Part of Speech: verb

with thanksgiving >G2169
εὐχαριστία
eucharistia
Thayer Definition:
1) thankfulness
2) the giving of thanks
Part of Speech: noun feminine
A Related Word by Thayer’s/Strong’s Number: from G2170

For it is sanctified G37
ἁγιάζω
hagiazō
Thayer Definition:
1) to render or acknowledge, or to be venerable or hallow
2) to separate from profane things and dedicate to God
2a) consecrate things to God
2b) dedicate people to God
3) to purify
3a) to cleanse externally
3b) to purify by expiation: free from the guilt of sin
3c) to purify internally by renewing of the soul
Part of Speech: verb

by the word> of God>G3056
λόγος
logos
Thayer Definition:
1) of speech
1a) a word, uttered by a living voice, embodies a conception or idea
1b) what someone has said
1b1) a word
1b2) the sayings of God
1b3) decree, mandate or order
1b4) of the moral precepts given by God
1b5) Old Testament prophecy given by the prophets
1b6) what is declared, a thought, declaration, aphorism, a weighty saying, a dictum, a maxim
1c) discourse
1c1) the act of speaking, speech
1c2) the faculty of speech, skill and practice in speaking
1c3) a kind or style of speaking
1c4) a continuous speaking discourse - instruction
1d) doctrine, teaching
1e) anything reported in speech; a narration, narrative
1f) matter under discussion, thing spoken of, affair, a matter in dispute, case, suit at law
1g) the thing spoken of or talked about; event, deed
2) its use as respect to the MIND alone
2a) reason, the mental faculty of thinking, meditating, reasoning, calculating
2b) account, i.e. regard, consideration
2c) account, i.e. reckoning, score
2d) account, i.e. answer or explanation in reference to judgment
2e) relation, i.e. with whom as judge we stand in relation
2e1) reason would
2f) reason, cause, ground
3) In John, denotes the essential Word of God, Jesus Christ, the personal wisdom and power in union with God, his minister in creation and government of the universe, the cause of all the world’s life both physical and ethical, which for the procurement of man’s salvation put on human nature in the person of Jesus the Messiah, the second person in the Godhead, and shone forth conspicuously from His words and deeds.
Part of Speech: noun masculine

and prayer > Strong's
G1783
ἔντευξις
enteuxis
ent'-yook-sis
From G1793; an interview, that is, (specifically) supplication: - intercession, prayer.

Notice Every creature--meaning all creatures which, and because, God has made them-- are good and not to be refused---not one is to be refused..meaning viewed as unclean or rejected or despised or viewed as an abomination, because all are purified and cleansed by God when received with thanksgiving by them who know and believe the truth of Jesus Christ and what Christ did. And that means all the clean and unclean list in Leviticus from the Sinai Covenant, which Nearyah posits means those are the only clean foods believers should eat, is another attempt of wresting and twisting of the Scriptures to overturn sound doctrine and the truth for those who believe Christ.

It is very clear that one must prove and test every word, scripture and statement that Nearyah---and not just Nearyah---posts or makes as we are seeing the very essence of false teaching and error in those posts. For we have these and many other warnings.

Act 20:28 Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood.
Act 20:29 For I know this, that after my departing shall grievous wolves enter in among you, not sparing the flock.
Act 20:30 Also of your own selves shall men arise, speaking perverse things, to draw away disciples after them.
Act 20:31 Therefore watch, and remember, that by the space of three years I ceased not to warn every one night and day with tears.
Act 20:32 And now, brethren, I commend you to God, and to the word of his grace, which is able to build you up, and to give you an inheritance among all them which are sanctified.

2Ti 3:5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.
2Ti 3:6 For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts,
2Ti 3:7 Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.
2Ti 3:8 Now as Jannes and Jambres withstood Moses, so do these also resist the truth: men of corrupt minds, reprobate concerning the faith.
2Ti 3:9 But they shall proceed no further: for their folly shall be manifest unto all men, as theirs also was.

2Ti 2:14 Of these things put them in remembrance, charging them before the Lord that they strive not about words to no profit, but to the subverting of the hearers.
2Ti 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
2Ti 2:16 But shun profane and vain babblings: for they will increase unto more ungodliness.
2Ti 2:17 And their word will eat as doth a canker: of whom is Hymenaeus and Philetus;

[Ne'arYah]

I thought this topic was exhausted, yet we continue to post? Wait… Is that rule just for me? Is that why my post was deleted?

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