Did Peter's Vision of the Sheet Mean People & Food?
04-29-2011, 01:31 PM
RE: Did Peter's Vision of the Sheet Mean People & Food?
Quote:Rose, I try my best to not insult you or Vic and yet every time there is a comment being made by one of you that has nothing to do with facts. Now you tell me that I’m brainwashing people. This is great…Hey I'm sorry if what I sounded sounded wrong.It's just that if we ignore scholarly facts then people and by this I mean in general,people can then say whatever they want to say with no accountability and other people may believe them and be misled.
Quote:Lets put the ball in your corner and repeat this from the top Peter gets a dream and in his confusion (because he knew based from what took place in Mark 7 that God couldn’t be telling him to eat meat)
Do you mean these verses in Mark 7?
Mar 7:18 And he saith unto them, Are ye so without understanding also? Do ye not perceive, that whatsoever thing from without entereth into the man, it cannot defile him;
Mar 7:19 Because it entereth not into his heart, but into the belly, and goeth out into the draught, purging all meats?
Mar 7:20 And he said, That which cometh out of the man, that defileth the man.
Because if you are then it actually supports my case and not yours.
As I said in another post, Jesus did address them in response to them imposing a tradition upon Him as though it were a commandment but Jesus response indicates that nothing that goes into a man's mouth could make them unclean. That is a contradiction to Sinai Law that says a whole lot of food items were unclean to them and that may be why the disciples later asked Him again about it.Jesus doesn't reassure them that He had been referring to the traditions involving food.Instead he reiterates what He said that nothing that goes into a man makes him unclean.
Quote:And God says the following
In line 15 the word food isn't mentioned but it is God's response to the previous line where Peter said that he had never eaten(verb to do with eating food) anything unclean before.So even if that line didn't contain the word food it was referring to food since the previous verses are to do with food.
Quote:And he said unto them, Ye know how that it is an unlawful thing for a man that is a Jew to keep company, or come unto one of another nation; but God hath shewed me that I should not call any man common or uncleanYou jumped from verse 15 to 28 and by 28 the Spirt had already bade Peter to go with the men doubting nothing.
Quote:But lets assume we want to make Peter’s dream about food. Why is it that Peter never eats the food you say he was permitted to eat if he was so hungry?Because it was a vision and one doesn't eat visions.But we do see he did eat with Cornelius because afterwards we see where those of the circumcision accuse him of it
Act 11:2 And when Peter was come up to Jerusalem, they that were of the circumcision contended with him,
Act 11:3 Saying, Thou wentest in to men uncircumcised, and didst eat with them.
Act 11:4 But Peter rehearsed the matter from the beginning, and expounded it by order unto them, saying,
Notice it says Peter expounded it to them.So he didn’t reassure the men that he never ate with them and instead recounts the vision and what subsequently happened and thus gives the reasons why he did .
Quote:More importantly I ask again. Why in the world is Peter told that he can eat any food, and then only five chapters after, which who knows how many years later, we see the same Peter and “all of the disciples” telling the new comers that they were not to eat these same foods in Acts 15?
In Acts 15 20 the Gentiles were only bound to obey the strangled and blood.There is no reference to the whole Sinai food prohibitions of clean and unclean.The abstention from blood predates Sinai.
Gen 9:3 Every moving thing that liveth shall be meat for you; even as the green herb have I given you all things.
Gen 9:4 But flesh with the life thereof, which is the blood thereof, shall ye not eat.
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