Did Peter's Vision of the Sheet Mean People & Food?
05-04-2011, 06:48 PM
RE: Did Peter's Vision of the Sheet Mean People & Food?
Quote:Yes to your last question. Eating is the part that you are over-extending to a point that no one else does in the story. The focal point of Yahusha (Jesus) words is to point Peter in the direction of unclean things i.e., Gentiles, which I, as well as, Peter himself states clearly. Mind you this was a vision not an actual prompting of the spirit for him to break the Torah. The Ruach (spirit) helps him out to interpret the vision.
I am amazed you said yes and would interpret the vision as being Peter being instructed to kill Gentiles.
It seems as you are the one over extending and instead of going to the simple and logical interpretation ie the sheet had unclean foods representing the unclean foods that would have been forbidden to Peter, you would have me believe this sheet represents gentiles.Furthermore, you expect me to now believe that Peter is told to kill and eat the gentiles.No way! That Peter took the sheet to be food and not gentiles is reflected in the fact that he refused saying that he had never EATEN anything common or unclean
Act 10:14 But Peter said, Not so, Lord; for I have never eaten any thing that is common or unclean.
In the next verse is where you seem to have the problem.God acknowledged the food had been unclean
Act 10:15 And the voice spake unto him again the second time, What God hath cleansed, that call not thou common.
It says what God has cleansed.Why do you totally ignore this?
So the food which had previously been un clean to Peter is now cleansed by God.
Still no Gentiles just God, Peter and the sheet. Where is it that Peter states so clearly that it is gentiles there?
Its not until
Act 10:28 And he said unto them, Ye know how that it is an unlawful thing for a man that is a Jew to keep company, or come unto one of another nation; but God hath shewed me that I should not call any man common or unclean.
This would have been his conclusion after the vision of the sheet combined with
Act 10:19 While Peter thought on the vision, the Spirit said unto him, Behold, three men seek thee.
Act 10:20 Arise therefore, and get thee down, and go with them, doubting nothing: for I have sent them.
Quote:This is going nowhere if we are going to make assumptions as you are with the above point. Please show me the food that they ate at the table so that you can call me wrong? In order for you to be correct you would have to show that Peter ate some form of beast that he wasn’t permitted to eat according to Leviticus 11. Please do so. Or are you assuming that the entirety that this gentile had to eat was pork? Outrageous, if this is what we place our hope on. I sit and dwell with a homosexual at my job, and by no means do him and I carry the same life style. He eats pork, smokes, and curses like a sailor. I don’t curse, don’t smoke, and I don’t eat pork, yet him and I go to lunch together at least once a week. So am I now eating what he eats because I go to lunch, and eat with him? Do I do what he does in respect to other men? Everything you’ve said is an assumption, based off half evidence? I have given you nothing but what the story tells, and you’re responses are all assumptions (though good ones).
My assumptions are very logical ones since they did accuse Peter of both associating and eating with gentiles and Peter didn't say he didn’t eat with them but like I already explained,gave the reasons why he did so.
The analogy you give is not the same as Peter staying over at Cornelius house and eating his food and what you said about me assuming that all the gentile had to eat was pork shows your ignorance of the Law that you so try to impose upon us.
It wouldn’t be just pork but other unclean animals or foods and any utensils that had come into contact with any unclean food were also unclean, as were all Cornelius cutlery and tableware.
Peter would not have been able to take advantage of Cornelius hospitality if he had lodged with him.
The food commands in the Law were designed to create this very separation.
Quote:When the scribes of the Pharisees saw that He was eating with sinners and tax collectors, they asked His disciples, "Why does He eat with tax collectors and sinners?" 17 When Jesus heard this, He told them, "Those who are well don't need a doctor, but the sick [do need one]. I didn't come to call the righteous, but sinners."Why the obsession with pork? Jesus was eating there with Israelites ,neither Jesus or the Israelites ate pork.
Quote:n reference to Galatians, I ask the same question about that passage as I am with Acts 10:28. Please show me where it states that Peter violated a food law?Yes both eating with and sitting with.You seem to want it all to be about associating with but not eating.
They went hand in hand many times.Hospitality was a big issue.You don't invite people to your house and then not serve them anything to eat.If a person lodged at your house you gave them food.There is another passage that I'd like to bring before you that does confirm to me that the food laws along with all the other laws that led to separation between Israelite and gentile were done away with.
Eph 2:14 For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us;
Eph 2:15 Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;
Eph 2:16 And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby:
Eph 2:17 And came and preached peace to you which were afar off, and to them that were nigh.
Eph 2:18 For through him we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father.
Eph 2:19 Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God;
Eph 2:20 And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone;
Eph 2:21 In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord:
Eph 2:22 In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit.
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