General questions for former Messianics

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(08-09-2009 06:18 PM)karebear Wrote:  I am new here and am pretty sure that I've already been asked to leave, but I'm open minded to learn and so have continued reading posts.
I am very sorry that so many have had such bad experiences with HR. I am involved in a HR ministry that is not extreme as is being described.
I think that what i have been led to is balanced and does not take on legalism of any kind. Observing sabbath and feast days are a personal choice. I personally believe in a saturday sabbath after God dealt with me on that subject and then made it possible for me to keep it when at first it seemed impossible (because of my career), but as far as the feast days I understand them to be educational and prophetic and I can just learn about them or I can participate if I want to. It is not something that I am being told to do. I understand that anything we do has to be from a willing heart and a desire to love The Lord or it is a waste of time, cause it will not please God. I will not/cannot do something just because I am told to do it, It has to be because i believe God wants me to do it and because i want to give that from my heart.
Hearing stories of animal sacrifice is just plain scary and if i ever saw such a thing i would instantly know that i was in the wrong church! Nothing about the HR teaching i have recieved is weird or creepy or gives a feeling of bondage.
I love to share my newfound knowlege with my friends but i dont tell them they have to do it. I was and am a beleiver and i know God loved me a blessed me all my life before HR and he will keep me.
We always with any teaching have to discern what is true and throw out the rest, cause there is no earthly teacher who has it all correct, and we should not look to men because they always will fail.

Hi Karebear,

I think that your new-found "knowledge" is a bit of a "high" for you, as it was for me once. That should probably be your red flag that all is not as "kosher" as it appears.

Discernment is not "keeping what is true and throwing out the rest". It is actually recognizing the evil and accepting that it taints whatever good there is, making it useless. As Paul wrote "a little leaven works its way through the whole loaf".

Rather than answer all of your points, which are recycled over and over again on every Messianic website and ministry out there, including El Shaddai - let me show why the HR movement is wrong right out of the gate.

The Messianic Hebrew Roots movement denies the New Covenant. The old and new covenants are distinct and different from each other. There are some similarities, but a simple reading of the text - both old and new - it is clearly obvious they are completely different based on different promises [the new is better].

On the one hand, the old covenant or Torah is based on the Levitical sacrificial system whereby atonement was gained by the shed blood of animals. On the other hand, the new covenant was bought, redeemed, blood shed through Jesus Christ for all sin, once and for all.

Therein lies the problem with HR. As much as you would like it to be "your new-found knowledge", you have actually bought back into a system that was broken and replaced. In other words, all that you have been taught denies Jesus Christ. That is the bottom line.

After spending the last 8 1/2 years with the HR movement and part of that time within the ranks of the "faithful and practicing", I assure you that what you are taught is incorrect, no matter how sincere or how nice or how "different" you think it is. A horse of another color is still a horse.

It is also obvious that you would like to "teach" us the truth about HR, after only being the movement for, what did you say, one month?