General questions for former Messianics

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The problems is in the fact that they have wierd idea's and teachings.
Torah Torah.....back to Moses camp,,,,,live like the Israelites live etc.
Back then i believed it all and embraced it all, loved it.
But same way i would leave evangelicals because of false teachings, i left the messianics because of fals teachings.

What i still have after all this?
I am a re-born child of the most high,
i have Jesus as Saviour,
God as Father,
the hope for a new earth
the assurence to belong to God's family.
Still looking for answers , stil have questions.
Ans still bothered by the brainwash in the messianic movement.

Did 'n t want to make this such along post, sorry

EMJE
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Mississippi: The problem is that there are true Messianic Jews [Jews that have become Christians but like an Hebraic-style service] and there are those who put the stress on the torah when Jesus already fulfilled the Torah. He finished it. Completed it. That's it!

Matthew 22:37-40
New International Version (NIV)
37 Jesus replied: “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’[a] 38 This is the first and greatest commandment. 39 And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’ 40 All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.”

Jesus unburdened us from constantly checking which laws we were breaking by dying for us. When he says "40 [b]All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.”", for some strange reason I tend to believe him. That means if I do the above, I am fulfilling all the rest of the law and the prophets!

I also believe what Paul said to those who were going back to the law [which did serve its purpose in its time]

1 Timothy 1:8-11
New International Version (NIV)
8 We know that the law is good if one uses it properly. 9 We also know that the law is made not for the righteous but for lawbreakers and rebels, the ungodly and sinful, the unholy and irreligious, for those who kill their fathers or mothers, for murderers, 10 for the sexually immoral, for those practicing homosexuality, for slave traders and liars and perjurers—and for whatever else is contrary to the sound doctrine 11 that conforms to the gospel concerning the glory of the blessed God, which he entrusted to me[/i][/b]

I think I can trust Jesus [Yeshua] and Paul more than some whose motives may not be quite so pure.

I am not Jewish, have a love for the land of Israel and many Jewish things, have been twice with my wife.

But we had a young person in our church who unfortunately went from being a rebel Christian to a rebel Messianic and is mixing Torah with Christianity.

I pray for him for he has the ability and has led several people astray. [a lot of itching ears?]

God bless you!

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If we try to keep the Law we will perish, if we do not try to keep the Law we wil perish. So the question is crucial: which Spirit, if any, are we in a personal relationship with
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That is why we need to go back to Jesus or Yeshua not Moses, or even Abraham.

1 Timothy 1:8-11
New International Version (NIV)
8 We know that the law is good if one uses it properly. 9 We also know that the law is made not for the righteous but for lawbreakers and rebels, the ungodly and sinful, the unholy and irreligious, for those who kill their fathers or mothers, for murderers, 10 for the sexually immoral, for those practicing homosexuality, for slave traders and liars and perjurers—and for whatever else is contrary to the sound doctrine 11 that conforms to the gospel concerning the glory of the blessed God, which he entrusted to me

Matthew 22:37-40
New International Version (NIV)
37 Jesus replied: “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’[a] 38 This is the first and greatest commandment. 39 And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’ 40 All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.”

What could be clearer than that?
Computerdoc

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There were many challenges being a gentile diving into the Jewish world. It became frustrating for me because I could not access what was necessary to live a correct halacha. For awhile, in the height of my kashrut life style, I ended up getting kosher meat from a Chasidic Rabbi in town. I would go to his synagogue where he had meat shipped in from Iowa that was Rabbinically butchered. One time he asked me why, as a gentile, I would take on the burden of Torah. I looked at him and smiled, saying that I did it because I loved Ha Shem. He just shook his head at me. I will never forget that. I should have listened to him

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Not all messianics are torah-observant. They are the noobies that seem to want to go back.

I cannot put the link but the best website to see what is wrong with the perverted Messianic message and the real one is check at {Links removed--Newbies are NOT allowed to post links as per forum rules. PLease read them if you have not done so--Vic}
Not torah-observant
Jesus-Holy-Spirit-observant in Niagara
Computerdoc

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We always with any teaching have to discern what is true and throw out the rest, cause there is no earthly teacher who has it all correct, and we should not look to men because they always will fail.
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karebare you do seem to have some balance.

However in the HR movement anything which takes the attention off Jesus and the Holy Spirit in your life can be false. No judgement, just saying. Nowhere [I stand to be corrected] does it say to stop practising the feasts ..... so you can .... however since many of them relate to the Jewish experience of captivity and passover etc. then it does not have the meaning to a Christian.

This is my answer to any who are truly Messianic. The first Messianic was Yeshua and he said this:

Matthew 22:37-40
New International Version (NIV)

37 Jesus replied: “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’[a] 38 This is the first and greatest commandment. 39 And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’[b] 40 All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.”


So if I practise listening to the spirit and honoring God first and my neighbour second, then I have fulfilled what the law and prophets were sent to accomplish.

God bless you!
Computerdoc