Rico Cortes

[Vic]

Ahh, that's the stuff I recalled coming across. Thanks for finding it, SheitlQueen.

It really does prove they have no shame.

[SheitlQueen]

(11-05-2009 02:25 PM)Vic Wrote:  Ahh, that's the stuff I recalled coming across. Thanks for finding it, SheitlQueen.

It really does prove they have no shame.

Don't they realize the damage (not that I mind!) they do to their
faith and movement by such outright lies?

Why do they think they have to legitimize the faith by showing
how authentic it is by lying about the people involved in it?
It that is the only way they can pass this fraud off to Jew and
Gentile alike, that is pretty sad.

[Vic]

(11-05-2009 03:03 PM)SheitlQueen Wrote:  

(11-05-2009 02:25 PM)Vic Wrote:  Ahh, that's the stuff I recalled coming across. Thanks for finding it, SheitlQueen.

It really does prove they have no shame.

Don't they realize the damage (not that I mind!) they do to their
faith and movement by such outright lies?

Why do they think they have to legitimize the faith by showing
how authentic it is by lying about the people involved in it?
It that is the only way they can pass this fraud off to Jew and
Gentile alike, that is pretty sad.

It is very sad. Part of it ---and I don't think many involved really think about it in these terms, especially those in Two House...they are attempting to replace the Jews. Many reject the notion that there are actual Jews other than what they perceive under their parameters. I have received emails in the past where there was absolute hatred and anger that I was so stupid to not know that there were no Jews other than those who were 'believers', the rest were imposters, or the Khazars, etc.

For some it is the ultimate anti semitism, because if they can claim to be of --like the above--made up heritage--they can be the Jews that 'get the inheritance.' They can get the 'rightful tithes' as the "priesthood'. Part of it is because of making such a mess of doctrine by pulling bits and pieces from the NT and twisting it to fit what they want from the Tenach--to make this new system of beliefs. That's why we see from your side it--the concept that they are 'christian' when they are not--even if some start out that way or use some of the rhetoric as the carrot to pull people in--from our perspective especially with HR--they aren't Christian either because they have rejected and overturned many foundational beliefs. Even who they believe the "Messiah" is or isn't.

What we see as damage, and I agree with your statement on that, by the phony credentials and lies--many simply don't believe that they are phony. Even with the proof in front of their eyes-even when false prophets have admitted they are false prophets-they reject it, and believe whatever this leadership says. Because they have entered cult status, and so everything put forward must be truth, and lies, or deception are merely mistakes to be overlooked. People like me are just pagan, lying, committing lashon hara, deceivers making up all the false accusations aka documented and provable information, that they feel is just an attack to be ignored or rebuked every once in awhile.

I can give you a clear example of the attitude of HR and their behavior. Read the 3 letters to me. And consider this is leadership that is head of an organisation in HR.

http://www.seekgod.ca/tommitchell.htm ;
letters 1 &2 http://www.seekgod.ca/tomemails.htm
letter 3 http://www.seekgod.ca/tomemail3.htm

or here with Michael Rood > http://www.seekgod.ca/roodbreakup2.htm

I have received emails from actual Jews practicing Judaism, including a renowned Rabbi, and I have never been treated with anything less than respect. And we have dialogued and discussed our differences (although one did get a little miffed with me and my question ). But I have never been spoken to in the manner that is common among people within HR. To me, that is the fruit of their beliefs. As one former member said, many develop an absolute hatred for Christianity and all it stands for, and Christians. That's why we deal with it so indepth. Because it has left the idea that it is somewhat 'christian'. It's not. There's a huge difference.

I believe, that the people that follow the leadership have no grounding in the Scriptures which is why they can be told that "this is what it really means", by people who have no business teaching anyone or anything. I mean the phony credentials are unbelievable, aside from phony jewishness, to claims of having doctorates or as one calls himself, 'professor' and they never even went to college, to claims of language skills that are so laughable... People seem to stop thinking and allow themselves to be spoonfed and deceived when they enter this junk. They seem to see it as something new and unique and therefore it must be better than where they were at.

It is the only way to pass it off ....

[SheitlQueen]

(11-05-2009 03:59 PM)Vic Wrote:  http://www.seekgod.ca/tommitchell.htm ;
letters 1 &2 http://www.seekgod.ca/tomemails.htm
letter 3 http://www.seekgod.ca/tomemail3.htm

or here with Michael Rood > http://www.seekgod.ca/roodbreakup2.htm

Appalling.....and I suggest that Tom Mitchell go and learn
about lashon hara....he clearly does not have a clue.

[Vic]

(11-05-2009 04:46 PM)SheitlQueen Wrote:  

(11-05-2009 03:59 PM)Vic Wrote:  http://www.seekgod.ca/tommitchell.htm ;
letters 1 &2 http://www.seekgod.ca/tomemails.htm
letter 3 http://www.seekgod.ca/tomemail3.htm

or here with Michael Rood > http://www.seekgod.ca/roodbreakup2.htm

Appalling.....and I suggest that Tom Mitchell go and learn
about lashon hara....he clearly does not have a clue.

I believe it was --can't think of his name from Jews for Judaism--who happened to be on a messianic forum-when James Trimm and his cronies were going on about me committing lashon hara--for researching and exposing things about him and their associates, but that person defined lashon hara correctly for the readers and then said that warning others from perceived error is not lashon hara, and said it was something else-can't recall it all. Kind of made me smile at the time because Trimm had called me antisemitic also. That's also where they tend to take the conversation if they can't refute the facts or Scripture, then I, or those in question, must be antisemitic because of the "attack" on "them"---they, who are Gentiles to begin with. Or they try and say it's antisemitism against anything Jewish like the Tenach. It's all so absurd, the attempt to defend their position by accusing with name calling and slurs.

I've researched HR/Messianic movement for over ten years now. Unfortunately it's growing, but I cannot say that there's been a change from the deceptions and attitudes. It's all the same old stuff, that occassionally is given a slightly different intro, or another 'leader' steps up to the plate to get his 'share'...

The thing is SheitlQueen, you have your beliefs distinct and separate from Christianity, just as our Christian beliefs are distinct from Judaism. To pretend Judaism doesn't exist like some do--is ridiculous. To try to merge the beliefs, as HR attempts, is just as ridiculous because the interpretation of Scripture is different at times, for different reasons, aside from the Talmud etc which is foundational to rabbinic Judaism and which is not accepted in Christianity.

[victormanuel]

Hello you guys:
I wrote about knowing Rico Cortes and he never said he is humble that is what we all see in his actions and it really does not matter what you all believe being that what I read in this website is so strange and judgmental to other ministries that are trying teach the word. I amazing how much you all really know the bible and how it seems to me that only you guys are the only ones that know how to interpret scriptures. you know what just live the scriptures and let your fruit be your witness. Times are hard in the world and the world needs to have the body of Messiah United instead you all really divide. Maybe you guys should jump on a plane and meet this teachers in a public arena and just debate the points to see if you all could do that? let the scriptures speak. is easy to sit at home and do nothing but judge things.
I hope that you all understand that is my opinion and is ok if you do not agree. In regards to Rico he is a friend and good people and he can kick some behind on the mat. wink wink hehehehe
victor manuel

[Vic]

(11-10-2009 10:20 PM)victormanuel Wrote:  Hello you guys:
I wrote about knowing Rico Cortes and he never said he is humble that is what we all see in his actions and it really does not matter what you all believe being that what I read in this website is so strange and judgmental to other ministries that are trying teach the word. I amazing how much you all really know the bible and how it seems to me that only you guys are the only ones that know how to interpret scriptures. you know what just live the scriptures and let your fruit be your witness. Times are hard in the world and the world needs to have the body of Messiah United instead you all really divide. Maybe you guys should jump on a plane and meet this teachers in a public arena and just debate the points to see if you all could do that? let the scriptures speak. is easy to sit at home and do nothing but judge things.
I hope that you all understand that is my opinion and is ok if you do not agree. In regards to Rico he is a friend and good people and he can kick some behind on the mat. wink wink hehehehe
victor manuel

Hi there Victor,

Nice of you to drop back in. I think it's rather judgmental and hence hypocritical to call everyone judgmental for being Biblically obedient and trying the spirits and proving/testing all things to the Word of God.

You must have a close relationship with Rico, to know his attitudes and behaviors and geneological history so well, including the levitical priest claim. I guess that would be why you also can use his email address. Sorry, I don't normally mention those things, but since you appear to be speaking for Rico, I noticed you also use his martial arts addy.

Did you notice his website has disappeared? Maybe too much focus on being a warrior instead of the Kohen he claims to be....

My personal invitation to Rico is that he come on over and present his geneological data, and prove who he is. Then we can discuss his beliefs. If he has the courage to.

I find it funny that you would find a website focused on Christ and pointing to Him and the Word of God as our standard...to be strange...To me that's strange.

2Pe 2:1 But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.
2Pe 2:2 And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of.

We aren't the only ones to interpret the Scriptures nor do we claim to know it all. However, each has been called to study to show themselves approved and use discernment, which means knowing and using the Word of God---that's our Sword which we "kick some" with. aka heretics and heresies.

We are to rightly divide the Word. The Scriptures are clear about us having sound doctrine and testing those who call themselves leadership--and we need to see if they are fit to be called anything but deceivers.

You might think it's all about uniting everyone---but the Body of Christ is already united. The issue is whether some who claim they are of the Body are wolves.

I think someone's fruit shows--all the time. No matter if they try and hide it or or try to hide who they are...it's still there for all to see. Good or bad. Real or deceptive.

Quote:Maybe you guys should jump on a plane and meet this teachers in a public arena and just debate the points to see if you all could do that? let the scriptures speak. is easy to sit at home and do nothing but judge things.

Umm. In case you didn't notice this is a PUBLIC forum, and the internet is PUBLIC and has worldwide outreach. No one I know is "sitting home doing nothing". Many of the 'leaders' in HR are also on the net--being public, and have had or do have rooms on Paltalk etc. They've been refuted totally there and their response is to ban those they don't agree with or keep them red dotted so no one can hear the scriptural, language or factual refutation. Rico experienced that I believe, as you would likely know, being friends with him.

1Ti 3:1 This is a true saying, If a man desire the office of a bishop, he desireth a good work.
2 A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach;
3 Not given to wine, no striker, not greedy of filthy lucre; but patient, not a brawler, not covetous;
4 One that ruleth well his own house, having his children in subjection with all gravity; 5 (For if a man know not how to rule his own house, how shall he take care of the church of God?)
6 Not a novice, lest being lifted up with pride he fall into the condemnation of the devil. 7 Moreover he must have a good report of them which are without; lest he fall into reproach and the snare of the devil. 8 Likewise must the deacons be grave, not doubletongued, not given to much wine, not greedy of filthy lucre;
9 Holding the mystery of the faith in a pure conscience.

Nomad man, aka Jeff Benner is a member here and came and discussed things. I believe although we dialogued quite willingly and were very friendly, he disappeared. And left after a day. Didn't seem able to answer the hard questions.

But for you Victor, allow me to extend a very personal and special invitation to Rico and any others from HR leadership who want to become members and "discuss" the various beliefs, language claims, ..you name it....the invitation is there to come to this very public forum. Just as Nomad Man did. ...

Although we have discussed the various beliefs in the many threads, we can do it yet again. We could even start off by discussing the Scriptures I am putting into this post.

Tit 1:7 For a bishop must be blameless, as the steward of God; not selfwilled, not soon angry, not given to wine, no striker, not given to filthy lucre;
8 But a lover of hospitality, a lover of good men, sober, just, holy, temperate;
9 Holding fast the faithful word as he hath been taught, that he may be able by sound doctrine both to exhort and to convince the gainsayers. 10 For there are many unruly and vain talkers and deceivers, specially they of the circumcision:
11 Whose mouths must be stopped, who subvert whole houses, teaching things which they ought not, for filthy lucre's sake.
12 One of themselves, even a prophet of their own, said, The Cretians are alway liars, evil beasts, slow bellies.
13 This witness is true. Wherefore rebuke them sharply, that they may be sound in the faith;
14 Not giving heed to Jewish fables, and commandments of men,15 Unto the pure all things are pure: but unto them that are defiled and unbelieving is nothing pure; but even their mind and conscience is defiled.
16 They profess that they know God; but in works they deny him, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate.

In these hards times, why would anyone want to waste money jet setting all over when we have an open forum here, at my expense, and which will cost no one else any money...

Quote:In regards to Rico he is a friend and good people and he can kick some behind on the mat. wink wink hehehehe

I love a challenge and attempts to be kicked.... wink wink

Rev 2:9 I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.

Rev 3:9 Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.

[Mary]

A little off topic but taken from your reply Vic - I say that is exactly what makes me suspicious of "united" churches/movements - "the Body of Christ is already united".

I also like your last two verses quoted from Revelation - God is so clear and specific. How come they cannot see it?

[sheep wrecked]

(11-12-2009 01:19 AM)Mary Wrote:  A little off topic but taken from your reply Vic - I say that is exactly what makes me suspicious of "united" churches/movements - "the Body of Christ is already united".

I also like your last two verses quoted from Revelation - God is so clear and specific. How come they cannot see it?

They cannot see it because they are convinced that to be "special" to God, they must be Jewish in order to fully please Him. And by "Jewish" I mean that by keeping the Mosaic Law they will be incorporated into God's chosen people. It is tragic that they do not understand that when one is in Christ, they are a child of God - His sons and daughters - a chosen nation - for Jew and gentile alike. All have equal status in Christ.

1Pe 2:1 Wherefore laying aside all malice, and all guile, and hypocrisies, and envies, and all evil speakings,
1Pe 2:2 As newborn babes, desire the sincere milk of the word, that ye may grow thereby:
1Pe 2:3 If so be ye have tasted that the Lord is gracious.
1Pe 2:4 To whom coming, as unto a living stone, disallowed indeed of men, but chosen of God, and precious,
1Pe 2:5 Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ.
1Pe 2:6 Wherefore also it is contained in the scripture, Behold, I lay in Sion a chief corner stone, elect, precious: and he that believeth on him shall not be confounded.
1Pe 2:7 Unto you therefore which believe he is precious: but unto them which be disobedient, the stone which the builders disallowed, the same is made the head of the corner,
1Pe 2:8 And a stone of stumbling, and a rock of offence, even to them which stumble at the word, being disobedient: whereunto also they were appointed.
1Pe 2:9 But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light:
1Pe 2:10 Which in time past were not a people, but are now the people of God: which had not obtained mercy, but now have obtained mercy.
1Pe 2:11 Dearly beloved, I beseech you as strangers and pilgrims, abstain from fleshly lusts, which war against the soul;
1Pe 2:12 Having your conversation honest among the Gentiles: that, whereas they speak against you as evildoers, they may by your good works, which they shall behold, glorify God in the day of visitation.

[victormanuel]

Hello
I just know Rico and everything that is believed about him is true. he is a Levi and yes He played baseball in the minors and Yes he did played for the Reno team. I know him for the last 15 years and he is a Good person and friend so try to understand that I know him better than all of you. So just get your facts in line. maybe you guys should do a debate with him seeing that you all love to be big people over the computer.
this will be my last post
thanks