What is God's Learning Channel?

[Vic]

We see that a number of Hebrew Roots teachers are being showcased on "God's Learning Channel."

What is it, where did it come from, and who "benefits" from it?

http://www.godslearningchannel.com/

[grafted]

(07-04-2009 06:52 PM)Vic Wrote:  We see that a number of Hebrew Roots teachers are being showcased on "God's Learning Channel."

What is it, where did it come from, and who "benefits" from it?

http://www.godslearningchannel.com/

GLC started off as KMLM aka PTCB (prime time christian broadcasting). Initially they fell under contract with TBN before getting their fill of that dubious crowd and moving off in their own direction over a decade + more ago.

Since their move into independence they have grown rapidly. They have had HR type people on in the far past "Joseph Good", but maintain an eclectic variety of persona's, which can be often noted on their nightly LOTS (light of the southwest program).

While they always post a disclaimer, not taking anyone's particular side or viewpoint, they are strongly pro-Israel, and have been a long time independent funding point for the Barak brigade, along with other pro-Israeli programs.

Who benefits, well obviously everyone who receives the message they need to receive, (by whatever teacher,) and turns to Christ, and of course everyone who works there and draws a paycheck.

As for the founders (Al and Tommy Cooper), I have worked for them in the very far past (set design studio B, MC, Director, Trafficing, and Eng Asst) as a side civilian job to supplement my then primary Army paycheck.
They are both very nice, open, and honest people in person, but I cannot speak of their personal involvement in HRM.. Hosting a HRM person and being one yourself is two different items.
I can say they are both personally very guarded in relation to following any one persons or movements ideology, especially after the Joseph Good incidents from the far past.

[sheep wrecked]

(07-05-2009 04:01 AM)grafted Wrote:  GLC started off as KMLM aka PTCB (prime time christian broadcasting). Initially they fell under contract with TBN before getting their fill of that dubious crowd and moving off in their own direction over a decade + more ago.

Since their move into independence they have grown rapidly. They have had HR type people on in the far past "Joseph Good", but maintain an eclectic variety of persona's, which can be often noted on their nightly LOTS (light of the southwest program).

While they always post a disclaimer, not taking anyone's particular side or viewpoint, they are strongly pro-Israel, and have been a long time independent funding point for the Barak brigade, along with other pro-Israeli programs.

Who benefits, well obviously everyone who receives the message they need to receive, (by whatever teacher,) and turns to Christ, and of course everyone who works there and draws a paycheck.

As for the founders (Al and Tommy Cooper), I have worked for them in the very far past (set design studio B, MC, Director, Trafficing, and Eng Asst) as a side civilian job to supplement my then primary Army paycheck.
They are both very nice, open, and honest people in person, but I cannot speak of their personal involvement in HRM.. Hosting a HRM person and being one yourself is two different items.
I can say they are both personally very guarded in relation to following any one persons or movements ideology, especially after the Joseph Good incidents from the far past.

Thanks for the info, grafted.

Don't you think that if one allows those who preach another gospel to be promoted on your channel [speaking of the owners] then they are in fact supporting that very thing? We are called to judge and to withdraw from those who do not teach the Gospel of Christ, not give them a platform

The problem is that HRM is not leading people to Christ, but denying Him and His finished work on the cross. This a critical issue and what appears to be the inability of the church, is to judge correctly as measured against the Word of God

Joseph Good is no different than the rest of HRM. Whether or not one states outright denial the Deity of Christ is not germane to the over all teachings of HRM. When a movement has trampled the New Covenant, that is denial of Christ regardless of stated theology

[grafted]

(07-05-2009 10:48 AM)sheep wrecked Wrote:  Don't you think that if one allows those who preach another gospel to be promoted on your channel [speaking of the owners] then they are in fact supporting that very thing? We are called to judge and to withdraw from those who do not teach the Gospel of Christ, not give them a platform

The problem is that HRM is not leading people to Christ, but denying Him and His finished work on the cross. This a critical issue and what appears to be the inability of the church, is to judge correctly as measured against the Word of God

Joseph Good is no different than the rest of HRM. Whether or not one states outright denial the Deity of Christ is not germane to the over all teachings of HRM. When a movement has trampled the New Covenant, that is denial of Christ regardless of stated theology [/b][/color]

In GLC case, it isn't about supporting a particular view (TBN style) as it is offering an eclectic range without the glitz, and pompous TBN style fan-fair . As for their personal beliefs, you would have to ask them.
I have seen them cringe on many occasions with regards to certain guest, and have even witnessed them canceling a guest when a show started and air a pre-recorded show in its place.
They can get goofy on occasion, and definitely some of their guest can be, but if there wasn't an audience for it, they wouldn't show it.

It's business.

[Vic]

(07-05-2009 08:32 PM)grafted Wrote:  In GLC case, it isn't about supporting a particular view (TBN style) as it is offering an eclectic range without the glitz, and pompous TBN style fan-fair . As for their personal beliefs, you would have to ask them.
I have seen them cringe on many occasions with regards to certain guest, and have even witnessed them canceling a guest when a show started and air a pre-recorded show in its place.
They can get goofy on occasion, and definitely some of their guest can be, but if there wasn't an audience for it, they wouldn't show it.

It's business.

Fortunately, serving Christ and being biblically obedient isn't based on a business concept, whether there is an audience for it, or the dollars it brings in or generates for those involved.

Rather it is fully about the pursuit of Christ in all we do, and are involved in. Many make merchandise of the saints, and many sell a false gospel, another gospel and another Jesus. All for the sake of the 'audience', just waiting for their itching ears to be scratched.

2Ti 4:2 Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine.
2Ti 4:3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
2Ti 4:4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.

Of the names you have listed....there is not one who can pass the test of Scriptures with their HR doctrine. Hence, no need to pursue them or waste dollars supporting them.

Compromise of the truth abounds. It's the upholding of Truth that seems to be lacking.

2 Peter 2:1-3 But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction. 2. And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of. 3. And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you: whose judgment now of a long time lingereth not, and their damnation slumbereth not.

No one has the luxury of being an innocent bystander while being the vehicle to promote and support error, or applauding it, because it might be accepted or popular, or desired.

Jas 1:8 A double minded man is unstable in all his ways.

Jas 4:8 Draw nigh to God, and he will draw nigh to you. Cleanse your hands, ye sinners; and purify your hearts, ye double minded.

2Th 2:11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

Ephesians 5:6-11 Let no man deceive you with vain words: for because of these things cometh the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience. 7. Be not ye therefore partakers with them. 8. For ye were sometimes darkness, but now are ye light in the Lord: walk as children of light: 9. (For the fruit of the Spirit is in all goodness and righteousness and truth;) 10. Proving what is acceptable unto the Lord. 11. And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them.

[grafted]

You know I am just a simple person, simple enough to realize that God can and will use whatever he deems necessary to get a particular message across, whether it be a business or a donkey talking to its rider. It may not be a message you or anyone else agrees with or likes, but if a person is saved in the end, who honestly cares what we think of the means of he/she getting there?

If you are looking for perfection of anything regarding mankind then you are in for a round of constant disappointments.

When all is said and done, it is a TV, and there is a change channel function on all of them. ;)

[sheep wrecked]

(07-06-2009 11:32 AM)grafted Wrote:  You know I am just a simple person, simple enough to realize that God can and will use whatever he deems necessary to get a particular message across, whether it be a business or a donkey talking to its rider. It may not be a message you or anyone else agrees with or likes, but if a person is saved in the end, who honestly cares what we think of the means of he/she getting there?

If you are looking for perfection of anything regarding mankind then you are in for a round of constant disappointments.

When all is said and done, it is a TV, and there is a change channel function on all of them. ;)

grafted,

Let me state this simply, for your benefit I think you missed something that Vic and I are trying to say. When another Gospel is preached, that means the people who are listening to teachers who preach another Gospel, are NOT hearing the Gospel of Christ and are accursed. This what the Scripture tells us. Please note that Paul calls them ministers of satan


2Co 11:1 Would to God ye could bear with me a little in my folly: and indeed bear with me.
2Co 11:2 For I am jealous over you with godly jealousy: for I have espoused you to one husband, that I may present you as a chaste virgin to Christ.
2Co 11:3 But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.
2Co 11:4 For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him.
2Co 11:5 For I suppose I was not a whit behind the very chiefest apostles.
2Co 11:6 But though I be rude in speech, yet not in knowledge; but we have been throughly made manifest among you in all things.
2Co 11:7 Have I committed an offence in abasing myself that ye might be exalted, because I have preached to you the gospel of God freely?
2Co 11:12 But what I do, that I will do, that I may cut off occasion from them which desire occasion; that wherein they glory, they may be found even as we.
2Co 11:13 For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ.
2Co 11:14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.
2Co 11:15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.


Here Paul again calls those who are pushing Law keeping another Gospel. We can fit HRM right into this scenario:

Gal 1:6 I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel:
Gal 1:7 Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.
Gal 1:8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
Gal 1:9 As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.

[Rose of Shushan]

Quote:It may not be a message you or anyone else agrees with or likes, but if a person is saved in the end, who honestly cares what we think of the means of he/she getting there?

So do we let people believe something which is not biblically sound or in error just to keep them saved? Is that what getting there means? We cannot get people to believe in Jesus under false pretenses or to give tham another gospel just because it tickles their ears and brings them supposedly closer to God.
In the case of HR though many are actually leaving the faith and going into various forms of Judaism.Many end up unhappy there too because then they start to find fault in Judaism also.Some people in the end finish up bitter,or distrusting against everything to do with the Bible.

Quote:If you are looking for perfection of anything regarding mankind then you are in for a round of constant disappointments.

Its not perfection we look for but truth and accurate scriptural exegesis.
We are told not to follow after those who teach a false gospel since they are accursed.

[Vic]

(07-06-2009 11:32 AM)grafted Wrote:  You know I am just a simple person, simple enough to realize that God can and will use whatever he deems necessary to get a particular message across, whether it be a business or a donkey talking to its rider. It may not be a message you or anyone else agrees with or likes, but if a person is saved in the end, who honestly cares what we think of the means of he/she getting there?

If you are looking for perfection of anything regarding mankind then you are in for a round of constant disappointments.

When all is said and done, it is a TV, and there is a change channel function on all of them. ;)

The reality is, many involved in these beliefs, end up rejecting Jesus Christ and the truth of the NT. The foundations become destroyed, and belief that what is written in the NT concerning Christ and living for Him are being overturned. The very person of Christ is being looked upon as pagan, or as Ed Nydle of Two House beliefs (connected to Brad Scott, Bill Cloud, Chumney etc) says concerning Christ, that he is the abomination of desolation. See > http://www.seekgod.ca/nydlenewsflash.htm


All roads do not lead to Christ. We are warned repeatedly about deceptions and things that turn from the truth. Hebrew Roots, the messianic movement and similar are just some in a long line of false doctrines which turn from the Truth.

The simplicity of the Gospel, grafted. That's what it is about. Not all this garbage touted as "the real faith", "the original faith", "the need for a hebraic mindset", the Jewish roots, the understandings which can only come through these select and "special leaders", ad nauseam...

You need to gain understanding of Biblical truth. We don't need to be scholars or pretend scholars. We just need to study to show ourselves approved, and apply the Word to all we believe, and make sure what we believe can stand the test of Scripture.

[Emjesown]

Where can i find this part?

says concerning Christ, that he is the abomination of desolation


The reality is, many involved in these beliefs, end up rejecting Jesus Christ and the truth of the NT. The foundations become destroyed, and belief that what is written in the NT concerning Christ and living for Him are being overturned. The very person of Christ is being looked upon as pagan, or as Ed Nydle of Two House beliefs (connected to Brad Scott, Bill Cloud, Chumney etc) says concerning Christ, that he is the abomination of desolation


Emje