Slain in the Spirit

[sheep wrecked]

(07-23-2009 06:10 PM)heb13-13 Wrote:  Sheep, that tune was going around in my head all day.

Your age is showing

[Strefanash]

(07-23-2009 11:32 AM)sheep wrecked Wrote:  

(07-23-2009 01:54 AM)Strefanash Wrote:  I was "slain in the Spirit" many times.

I was, the psychologists told me, highly sugggestible.

No more such nonsense. It was not even a sign or wonder, simply a cheap trick

It may be a form of brainwashing as well. I saw a special on Benny Hinn that showed suggestive thoughts in the brain, the hype of the preservice - lots of long lasting "praise" music, then a teaching full of more suggestion and hype rouses people's expectancy level. When Hinn comes on out onstage, they play "How Great Thou Art" as he raises his hands as the crowd claps and sings in adulation. They are being pumped up to "receive".



Mr Hinn is definitely the extreme, but most of the up-front charismatic/pentecostal/word of faith types all practice this same form of hyped up manifestations. After being part of that and experiencing it first hand, it's not just psychological - it is also demonic and physically real. I had actual physical manifestations in which I had no control over my own body

It is not as simple as that. I fell over when there was no hype, no music. Also I no longer hold to a rigid dichotomy as to the realities of the psychological and the physical: that is to say that it is psychological does not mean that it did NOT manifest as a physical event, ie my falling over.

So it is either psychological, (ie my own psych in response to that of others) or supernatural, in my thinking, and I have no reaon to hold that it was demonic.

To be honest the phenomenon of being slain in the spirit is nothing. so to make a fuss over it is to make a fuss over nothing.

I reject it because it was nothing, they are fools who seek it for it is nothing, but to make it a focus of demonism and the like is simply a mirror image of the hysteria that can sometimes (but not always) accompany it.

as for the jibe over catchers and fallers i was NEVER caught, for catchers were NEVER involved in my falling. So to joke about it is irrelevant.

It was a folly of my youth now rejected, not a demonism for which i needed deliverance, only a sin for which i was granted repentance. No fuss, no bother, no histrionics no breast beating

[sheep wrecked]

(07-23-2009 06:27 PM)Strefanash Wrote:  It is not as simple as that. I fell over when there was no hype, no music. Also I no longer hold to a rigid dichotomy as to the realities of the psychological and the physical: that is to say that it is psychological does not mean that it did NOT manifest as a physical event, ie my falling over.

So it is either psychological, (ie my own psych in response to that of others) or supernatural, in my thinking, and I have no reaon to hold that it was demonic.

To be honest the phenomenon of being slain in the spirit is nothing. so to make a fuss over it is to make a fuss over nothing.

I reject it because it was nothing, they are fools who seek it for it is nothing, but to make it a focus of demonism and the like is simply a mirror image of the hysteria that can sometimes (but not always) accompany it.

as for the jibe over catchers and fallers i was NEVER caught, for catchers were NEVER involved in my falling. So to joke about it is irrelevant.

It was a folly of my youth now rejected, not a demonism for which i needed deliverance, only a sin for which i was granted repentance. No fuss, no bother, no histrionics no breast beating

The NT warns of these kinds of things, and not with real gentle words. Jesus calls them wolves and Paul calls them ministers of satan. We know these manifestations are not from God, so that only leaves one other possibility - because when it comes to the spiritual realm there are only two "sides" - God's or satan's.

Mat 7:15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
Mat 7:16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
Mat 7:17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.
Mat 7:18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
Mat 7:19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
Mat 7:20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
Mat 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
Mat 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
Mat 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

2Co 11:3 But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.
2Co 11:4 For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him.
2Co 11:12 But what I do, that I will do, that I may cut off occasion from them which desire occasion; that wherein they glory, they may be found even as we.
2Co 11:13 For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ.
2Co 11:14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.
2Co 11:15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.

[Liberated by Faith]

Want to find out if one who is "slain in the Spirit" is truly "slain in the Spirit"?

Go to one of those meetings. When they start their jumping and dancing and slithering and spitting, stand behind them. Wait for them to fall back. Then, just casually step aside at the last second and let them fall.

If they are slain in the Spirit, they will not get hurt. If they are not slain in the Spirit, you will find what spirit knocked them down when they get up and with hatred on their face and venom on their lips curse you out.

If falling out is being slain in the Spirit, why are there catchers to hinder the Spirit's work? If He wants them to fall down, let them fall.. don't catch them.

[Vic]

(07-24-2009 07:12 PM)Liberated by Faith Wrote:  Want to find out if one who is "slain in the Spirit" is truly "slain in the Spirit"?

Go to one of those meetings. When they start their jumping and dancing and slithering and spitting, stand behind them. Wait for them to fall back. Then, just casually step aside at the last second and let them fall.

If they are slain in the Spirit, they will not get hurt. If they are not slain in the Spirit, you will find what spirit knocked them down when they get up and with hatred on their face and venom on their lips curse you out.

If falling out is being slain in the Spirit, why are there catchers to hinder the Spirit's work? If He wants them to fall down, let them fall.. don't catch them.

There is no such thing in the Scripture about being 'slain in the Spirit'. It is quite remarkable that people who claim to know the Scriptures would think there is a biblical mandate for it, a right and wrong activity for it--when there is none--just like all the other manifestations...roaring like a lion, biting someone, laughing hysterically. It has nothing whatsoever to do with Christ, but has much to do with the demonic.

[sheep wrecked]

(07-25-2009 01:16 PM)Vic Wrote:  liberated by faith:
If they are slain in the Spirit, they will not get hurt. If they are not slain in the Spirit, you will find what spirit knocked them down when they get up and with hatred on their face and venom on their lips curse you out.

If falling out is being slain in the Spirit, why are there catchers to hinder the Spirit's work? If He wants them to fall down, let them fall.. don't catch them.


There is no such thing in the Scripture about being 'slain in the Spirit'. It is quite remarkable that people who claim to know the Scriptures would think there is a biblical mandate for it, a right and wrong activity for it--when there is none--just like all the other manifestations...roaring like a lion, biting someone, laughing hysterically. It has nothing whatsoever to do with Christ, but has much to do with the demonic.

I have to agree totally. The whole concept is completely foreign to God's Word.

What this venue has done is raise the manifestations of the Holy Spirit as some "new thing" that God is doing and therefore; "good" is mixed with "evil" and our "spirits" must "discern" the difference

God does not mix fruit

It's really sad that people have to rely on such deceptive practices to "find" God. He is not about a physical "touch", but we know Him by faith, not by sight.

Joh 20:27 Then saith he to Thomas, Reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust it into my side: and be not faithless, but believing.
Joh 20:28 And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God.
Joh 20:29 Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed.

[Scotchman]

What I saw was all emotionalism, expectations, and group-think.

It was called Brainwashing and it worked!

Glad God delivered me from it.

[Vic]

While emotionalism and such dictate many being involved, it becomes another gospel and another Jesus and another spirit. It's not all just brainwashing of group think, although many involved pretend they have the experience. People open themselves to another spirit because of not believing the Word of God and using it as the standard of what they believe. And the Word says those who belong to Jesus Christ have the indwelling of the Holy Spirit. So what is 'knocking' these people down is not the Holy Spirit, and there is no record of such behavior with believers in the Scriptures.

2 Corinthians 11:3-4 But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ. 4. For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or** if ye receive another spirit, **which ye have not received, ***or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him.

Galatians 1:6-10 I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel: 7. Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ. 8. But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. 9. As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed. 10. For do I now persuade men, or God? or do I seek to please men? for if I yet pleased men, I should not be the servant of Christ.

Matthew 24:23-26 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not. 24. For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect. 25. Behold, I have told you before. 26. Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.

Eph 4:4 There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling;

1Co 3:16 Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?

1 Corinthians 6:19-20 What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own? 20. For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's.

1Jn 4:1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.

[deafguy55]

(02-10-2010 05:47 PM)Vic Wrote:  While emotionalism and such dictate many being involved, it becomes another gospel and another Jesus and another spirit. It's not all just brainwashing of group think, although many involved pretend they have the experience. People open themselves to another spirit because of not believing the Word of God and using it as the standard of what they believe. And the Word says those who belong to Jesus Christ have the indwelling of the Holy Spirit. So what is 'knocking' these people down is not the Holy Spirit, and there is no record of such behavior with believers in the Scriptures.

2 Corinthians 11:3-4 But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ. 4. For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or** if ye receive another spirit, **which ye have not received, ***or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him.

Galatians 1:6-10 I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel: 7. Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ. 8. But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. 9. As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed. 10. For do I now persuade men, or God? or do I seek to please men? for if I yet pleased men, I should not be the servant of Christ.

Matthew 24:23-26 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not. 24. For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect. 25. Behold, I have told you before. 26. Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.

Eph 4:4 There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling;

1Co 3:16 Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?

1 Corinthians 6:19-20 What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own? 20. For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's.

1Jn 4:1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.

Yes true Agree with this statement very well clear quoted Amen ! Smile Ken!

[Lois]

This is a test

[Am pasting this in for Lois to see if the autoban will allow it. Vic]

I come from a background that practices this.After having God take the blinders off of me concerning this I can know see how it works.
These so called preachers/pastors are false whether they are doing it knowingly or not I do not know..I remember many,many church services where the preacher or someone else like the music director or whoever was at the podium would say over and over something like..come holy spirit,come
and the congregation would join in in this behavior of calling on the holy spirit,even singing it over and over.This is chanting.It doesn't seem like it is while you are in it but it is...Yes you could feel this thing enter into the sanctuary..you could feel a noticeable change in the atmosphere and the preacher would say..something like, He's here can you feel Him?
They say things like,The holy spirit is a gentleman..He will not force himself on anyone..This is a trick to get you to submit to this spirit....They say things like,Just relax and allow the holy spirit to move and..let him wash over you.
Where in the bible does it say anything about this?Where in the bible does it say you need to sing songs to the holy spirit and beckon him to you?
This is a LIE! This thing is NOT the Holy Spirit of God!
This thing is demonic. It is a seducing spirit.It doesn't feel bad or evil that is how it tricks you.It feels warm and calm but heavy..and anyone that is practicing this you have to stop,please.
I could sit praying in tongues anywhere and conjure this thing to me by saying come holy spirit and praying in tongues and it would seem to come because I could feel it wash over me..it would feel warm and calm..it didn't feel evil or bad so I didn't question it.I just blindly trusted and was led into a snare of the devil.Once you give this thing an open invitation and submit yourself to it,it will manifest itself and you will feel it.It stays with you.God has to deliver you from this thing once you have given yourself over to it...but you have to stop..you chose this thing because you were lied to you were made to think it was the spirit of God.It is NOT. You chose it and now you have to UN-choose it.God will allow you to continue in this lie because it is what you wanted.What you chose.Now you have to UN-choose it and choose the One True God.
Just stop it now,please.Choose God,not what you feel,or what you think you feel..stop right now and choose Jesus Christ and no other.Why settle for a poor substitution when you can have the real thing.God can take this thing from you but you have to stop choosing it and choose Him.
You don't have to believe me but if you don't know for sure if it is right or wrong just stop and seek God.You won't be punished or miss out on anything for seeking God's wisdom and truth.That is what He wants us to do.

1Jn 4:1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.