David Jeremiah

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His web site is really all about pimping his books and material.

I was shocked that they have this "Leave a Legacy" area...

Quote:Leave a legacy of love for God and His Word.Your strategic planning can impact God's Kingdom
for generations by naming Turning Point in your will or trust.

Here davidjeremiahgift.org they have a Turning Point Gift and Estate Designer where they show you how to do it all and if you need any more help with
leaving your estate to them they have a Director of Gift and Estate Design that you can call or email for help.
I know they are all vying for people's money but this is the first time I have seen them flat out,step by step show you how to will your estate to them.
I know people die and leave money to various "ministries" but this is just in such poor taste.IMO
There is barely anything at all on his web site that you can read/access for free.The site is all about advertising his books/materials and very little about God.

He has the typical OT tithe belief of giving 10% but then takes it a step further by also adopting the NT way of giving.
Quote from Hot Topic: Giving to God: Why, When, & How on his web site

Quote:Giving ten percent of what you receive back to the Lord was the Old Testament law of the tithe. In the New Testament,
we go from the concept of percentage to the concept of proportion. We start with a tithe and then evaluate God's blessing in our lives,
and give in proportion to His blessing.

The bible does not say that we start with "the Old Testament law of the tithe" and then basically work our ways into the NT way of giving.
According to him we are to start with the "letter of the law".
The bible says
Rom_7:6 But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.

2Co 9:7 Every man according as he purposeth in his heart, so let him give; not grudgingly, or of necessity: for God loveth a cheerful giver.

I'm not going to get into tithing here.Vic did a whole series on tithing that is actually biblical here http://www.seekgod.ca/tithing.htm

I am quoting from here on his web site davidjeremiah.org/site/content.aspx?id=7735

Quote:When should I begin to give?
Some people say, "Well, I can't start giving to God until I get out of this financial mess."
No, the best way to get out of the financial mess is to start giving to God now. What you need is a good blessing,
and God blesses those who give to Him. If you try to wait until you get out of trouble, you will forget how badly you needed God.
And, you probably won't ever get "out" to begin with.

We need to make sure we have the right motives when giving.
This is giving to try to get something a "blessing" instead of being led by the Spirit.
In his scenario,this is being led by fear to give not being led by God.
Actually,that is not even giving at all.That is loaning.
Give is to present voluntarily and without expecting compensation.
Loan is money lent at interest,something lent usually for the borrower's temporary use.

Jesus said,
Luk 6:34 And if ye lend to them of whom ye hope to receive, what thank have ye? for sinners also lend to sinners, to receive


With this kind of "giving",you are not only expecting to get the money back,you expect it back with some kind of divine interest.
He is also telling someone in "financial mess"that the way to get out of the "financial mess"is to spend more money.
That does not even make sense.

He says, "you probably won't ever get "out" to begin with".So,God won't help you "out" unless you give money to him?
Where in the bible does it say that God won't help you unless you tithe to him?That actually sounds kind of mean,"you probably won't ever get "out" to begin with".
So God says,You scratch my back and I'll scratch yours?
You do a favor for me first and then I'll do a favor for you.
Is this really how we should be,hyper focused on giving to receiving.
The miracle of the loafs and fishes came to mind while writing this.

Mat 15:32 Then Jesus called his disciples unto him, and said, I have compassion on the multitude, because they continue with me now three days,
and have nothing to eat: and I will not send them away fasting, lest they faint in the way.

The people in this verse had been focused on following Jesus,seeing Jesus,hearing Jesus so much that they had not even eaten for days.If you go read the whole story.The people did not even ask Jesus for food.
Jesus wasn't ignorant of the situation.He knew they had been following after Him and needed to eat.He had "compassion" on them.He didn't say to the people,You all have to tithe something to me first then I will feed you.
He knew they had a need.He had "compassion" on them and He filled their need.

Php 4:19 But my God shall supply all your need according to his riches in glory by Christ Jesus.

God's character is such that He gave His only begotten Son to suffer and die for us.
What did we tithe to Him first that He gave us such a Gift?
Nothing.