Joseph Prince

[Bama]

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Rather than requoting your whole post I'll just snip it. Suffice to say that I believe I have read and listened to Brother Kenneth Hagin probably more than anyone else here. Of all the teachings I have heard and read from him I have NEVER felt I could be as "little gods". That thought never occurred to me. Does that mean I am immune, not easily persuaded or perhaps he is correct? Or maybe he never said or implied that. Does this mean I am infallible? Of course not?

And as far as leaven that can work both ways. False leaven pronounced improperly can just as easily kill someones beliefs just as easily. For instance if one does not believe in Tongues or Healing for today, anyone that sees this stuff might be leary of all from them. So which was is that leaven gonna go now? Although I consider myself a follower of the Faith movement I don't just blindly follow anyone who claims or appears to use the same mantra. I do not care for Benny Hinn. I believe he is misusing the gifts as well as many others. I was just listening to a teaching by Charles Capps yesterday. I believe he has it correct also.

Should we ignore sheep wrecked because she was once caught up in the HR stuff? Surely not. She has some valuable insight into their teachings. But I think in regards to the Faith movement, more specifically toward Kenneth Hagin, I think there are some here that are mistaken. Do some abuse their gifts? Yes, they surely do.

The Holy Spirit is supposed to help us discern these things. Why is it that some seem to discern some things while others do not? We use others to help us here. Whether is be sites like your or people like Joseph Prince that help us interpret the meaning of scripture. Even Jesus had to explain to the Apostles some of the things he said. Some scripture is clear while some is not so clear and must be revealed though other means. And FWIW I thought the book included plenty of scriptural references to what Joseph was speaking about. Scripture in and of itself does not necessarily mean we get the complete picture. Just read the Old Testament without any knowledge of the info in the New and you see what I mean. I/You could post scripture after scripture that helps make ones own point.

How about this:
Matthew 5:31-32(NASB)
31 “It was said, ‘WHOEVER SENDS HIS WIFE AWAY, LET HIM GIVE HER A CERTIFICATE OF DIVORCE’; 32 but I say to you that everyone who divorces his wife, except for the reason of unchastity, makes her commit adultery; and whoever marries a divorced woman commits adultery.

Do you know any men who have married a divorced woman? This scripture from Jesus' own words sure appear to mean that she is NOT to get married again. I just went though this with an ex girlfriend(Law keeper). I know there are other scriptures on this subject but just wanted to point out how clear this one scripture makes it seem. But surely the intent is not to mean as a Christian we can never get married again. We can save the arguments for another thread. ;)

Here is something that Prince brought out in his book I had never noticed before:

Revelation 3:14-17(NASB)
14 “To the angel of the church in Laodicea write:
The Amen, the faithful and true Witness, the Beginning of the creation of God, says this:
15 ‘I know your deeds, that you are neither cold nor hot; I wish that you were cold or hot. 16 So because you are lukewarm, and neither hot nor cold, I will spit you out of My mouth.

He thinks this has to do with people who mix Law and Grace. He would rather they either be cold or hot(Law or Grace) rather than mixing the two which of course the New Testament speaks against.

I will be reading this book again however this time I will be looking at it with more of a critical eye. I will be specifically looking for those things which take me away from the blood of Jesus. If I find none then what am I supposed to glean from that? Either I am missing it or someone else is!

But hey we could all be wrong and find out the law keepers have been correct all along! lol NOT!! ;)

All in all I am more confused by all this. I have several VERY Faithful(faithful to the Word) friends whom I consider VERY Godly and spiritual that have read this book as well and thought it was excellent too.

I will say that for the last 30 or so years my little discerner has been working pretty well in regards to the spiritual world. At least in picking out those in the ministry that appear to be leaning the wrong way.

Let's just say we're gonna disagree on some things but Love in Christ will never fail.