03-19-2012, 04:53 PM
RE: Joseph Prince
Well Bama, discernment isn't a spidey sense. It's understanding that comes from the indwelling Holy Spirit and knowing and applying the Word of God. That's the 'by reason of use'....not based on man's writings or opinions, but use and application of the actual Word of God, as given understanding by the Holy Spirit.
As far as the divorce issue, it is I believe, discussed on another thread. Jesus was actually quite clear as was Paul later--given direct revelation on that issue. And also clear on the qualifications for leadership to be the husband of one wife...that's not one wife at a time, although since some are now hot and heavy into promoting polygamy, it could be an issue from that perspective. Anyway, many leaders violate that qualification.
Jesus never said leaven works both ways, and I am not sure about 'false leaven'. People can build their beliefs on false information/facts--that is, ignore provable facts in lieu of emotional or feelings based information--false or errant doctrine instead of proving their doctrine on the Word of God. They think it might be correct because so and so taught it or said it or believes it--but that is not the sound doctrine from the Scriptures.
Tongues has been and always will be based on languages, not unintelligible babble. Speaking in other languages is fully done within the parameters established in the Scriptures--no exceptions. No interpreter, the person speaking the other/unfamiliar language is to be quiet. That is violated over and over and over again in the 'faith' movement--does rejecting that stuff mean a person has no faith? Not at all because we walk by faith not by sight.
God heals and does miracles everyday. Does rejecting the movement based and steeped in the 'show' of it mean rejection of God at work? Absolutely not! Are we supposed to seek signs and wonders? According to the Scriptures, No.
What is supposed to be done if someone is sick? Consider the issue is about spiritual health first and foremost---and many are far more healthy depending on Christ through physical affliction than those who seek after someone to heal them from it.
Jas 5:13 Is any among you afflicted? let him pray. Is any merry? let him sing psalms.
Jas 5:14 Is any sick among you? let him call for the elders of the church; and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord:
Jas 5:15 And the prayer of faith shall save the sick, and the Lord shall raise him up; and if he have committed sins, they shall be forgiven him.
Jas 5:16 Confess your faults one to another, and pray one for another, that ye may be healed. The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much.
You mention Sheep, and being caught up in HR, yet totally dismiss her total immersion into the charismatic/pentecostal/word/faith, healing, self made tongues, listening to a demonic spirit thinking it was God telling her to sin for him etc etc...So you want the HR stuff because that fits with what you want to call errant but don't wish to hear the rest?
Jesus opened the understanding of the apostles--just as the Holy Spirit gives us understanding. One cannot understand the Scriptures without the Holy Spirit doing that. It's that simple.
As far as Prince's errant interpretation of Revelation 3:14-17....that merely proves how off he really is. Nice try on giving his opinion though. Let's take it in context.
Revelation 3:14-20 And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write; These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God; 15. I know thy works, that thou art neither cold nor hot: I would thou wert cold or hot. 16. So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth. 17. Because thou sayest, I am rich, and increased with goods, and have need of nothing; and knowest not that thou art wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked: 18. I counsel thee to buy of me gold tried in the fire, that thou mayest be rich; and white raiment, that thou mayest be clothed, and that the shame of thy nakedness do not appear; and anoint thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see. 19. As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent. 20. Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me.
1) cold, cool
1a) of cool water
2a) cold, i.e. sluggish, inert
2b) in mind: of one destitute of warm Christian faith and the desire for holiness
Part of Speech: adjective
A Related Word by Thayer’s/Strong’s Number: from G5592
1) boiling hot, hot
2) metaphorically of fervour of mind an zeal
Part of Speech: adjective
A Related Word by Thayer’s/Strong’s Number: from G2204
1) tepid, lukewarm
2) metaphorically of the condition of the soul wretchedly fluctuating between a torpor and a fervour of love
Part of Speech: adjective
A Related Word by Thayer’s/Strong’s Number: from chlio (to warm)
Torpor means according to Webster's >Numbness; inactivity; loss of motion, or of the power of motion. Torpor may amount to a total loss of sensation, or complete insensibility. It may however be applied to the state of a living body which has not lost all power of feeling and motion.
1. Dullness; laziness; sluggishness; stupidity.
THose verses have nothing to do with mixing law and grace. It has everything to do with living for Christ, fully and completely, or not at all, or waffling back and forth and neither living for Christ completely nor denying Him completely, which He clearly is stating He will 'spue' out.
1) to vomit, vomit forth, throw up
Part of Speech: verb
A Related Word by Thayer’s/Strong’s Number: of uncertain affinity
That's the problem with following men's words instead of studying the actual Word of God. The Holy Spirit alone gives understanding. Yes, He can and does use others to help our growth at times, because the Body of Christ is to edify itself, that is, one another, but it is full dependence on Him that is what matters for our understanding.
1Jn 2:27 But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.
Eph 4:21 If so be that ye have heard him, and have been taught by him, as the truth is in Jesus:
Eph 4:22 That ye put off concerning the former conversation the old man, which is corrupt according to the deceitful lusts;
Eph 4:23 And be renewed in the spirit of your mind;
Eph 4:24 And that ye put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness.
Heb 8:11 And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest.
Heb 8:12 For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more.
Heb 8:13 In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.
2Ti 1:13 Hold fast the form of sound words, which thou hast heard of me, in faith and love which is in Christ Jesus.
2Ti 1:14 That good thing which was committed unto thee keep by the Holy Ghost which dwelleth in us.
It's been my experience that many who claim to be very godly, are very messed up also, and merely have the appearance of godliness and can walk the walk and talk the talk and use the name of Jesus and claim the blood ....but are as far from Truth as many who openly deny Christ. Because they have never understood the relationship between Christ and a believer. They only know the Scriptures throught the opinions of men, and don't really study them alone, seeking understanding from Him alone. And they have another gospel and another Jesus instead of the Jesus of the Scriptures. And that's very sad, and very true.
Living for Christ is not dependent on other people. It is entirely dependent on our walk and relationship with Jesus Christ and following HIM.
Luk 9:23 And he said to them all, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross daily, and follow me.
2Pe 1:2 Grace and peace be multiplied unto you through the knowledge of God, and of Jesus our Lord,
2Pe 1:3 According as his divine power hath given unto us all things that pertain unto life and godliness, through the knowledge of him that hath called us to glory and virtue:
2Pe 1:4 Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.
2Pe 1:5 And beside this, giving all diligence, add to your faith virtue; and to virtue knowledge;
2Pe 1:6 And to knowledge temperance; and to temperance patience; and to patience godliness;
2Pe 1:7 And to godliness brotherly kindness; and to brotherly kindness charity.
2Pe 1:8 For if these things be in you, and abound, they make you that ye shall neither be barren nor unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ.
2Pe 1:9 But he that lacketh these things is blind, and cannot see afar off, and hath forgotten that he was purged from his old sins.
2Pe 1:10 Wherefore the rather, brethren, give diligence to make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things, ye shall never fall:
2Pe 1:11 For so an entrance shall be ministered unto you abundantly into the everlasting kingdom of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.
2Ti 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
2Ti 2:16 But shun profane and vain babblings: for they will increase unto more ungodliness.
Gal 6:4 But let every man prove his own work, and then shall he have rejoicing in himself alone, and not in another.
Gal 6:5 For every man shall bear his own burden.
Jeremiah 17:5-10 Thus saith the LORD; Cursed be the man that trusteth in man, and maketh flesh his arm, and whose heart departeth from the LORD. 6. For he shall be like the heath in the desert, and shall not see when good cometh; but shall inhabit the parched places in the wilderness, in a salt land and not inhabited. 7. Blessed is the man that trusteth in the LORD, and whose hope the LORD is. 8. For he shall be as a tree planted by the waters, and that spreadeth out her roots by the river, and shall not see when heat cometh, but her leaf shall be green; and shall not be careful in the year of drought, neither shall cease from yielding fruit. 9. The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it? 10. I the LORD search the heart, I try the reins, even to give every man according to his ways, and according to the fruit of his doings.
The blood of Jesus was shed for us, once for all. It is not a talisman, and not something to be claimed repeatedly in prayer. Jesus said to pray in His Name, and gather in His Name because of who He is, and what He has done, not in the name of His blood.
Mat 18:20 For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them.
Joh 14:13 And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son.
Joh 14:14 If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it.
Joh 15:16 Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, and ordained you, that ye should go and bring forth fruit, and that your fruit should remain: that whatsoever ye shall ask of the Father in my name, he may give it you.
Once one has believed who Christ is, that He died, rose again and sits at the right hand of the Father, and one has forgiveness, are new creatures in Him, the issue is about our personal relationship and walk with Him.
You are confused by presentation of factual information and evaluation according to the Scriptures, and yet we know that God is not the author of confusion...
3John 1:4 I have no greater joy than to hear that my children walk in truth.
Isaiah 40:31 But they that wait upon the LORD shall renew their strength; they shall mount up with wings as eagles; they shall run, and not be weary; and they shall walk, and not faint.
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