New Age New science

[Mary]

Has anyone heard of Noetic Science?
My New Age, old school friend is very much into this stuff... very scary direct link to occultic practices.

Why do people think that if they put "science" to an idea that it is now valid??

I was reluctant to read too much on it - totally put off by the idea of controlling others by subliminal messages - do they think this can really happen, and if they do, and it was applied by others to themselves, how would they feel?

[sheep wrecked]

(03-18-2010 07:34 AM)Mary Wrote:  Has anyone heard of Noetic Science?
My New Age, old school friend is very much into this stuff... very scary direct link to occultic practices.

Why do people think that if they put "science" to an idea that it is now valid??

I was reluctant to read too much on it - totally put off by the idea of controlling others by subliminal messages - do they think this can really happen, and if they do, and it was applied by others to themselves, how would they feel?

I did a quick search for a definition:

Quote:What are 'Noetic Sciences'?

Noetic sciences are explorations into the nature and potentials of consciousness using multiple ways of knowing—including intuition, feeling, reason, and the senses. Noetic sciences explore the "inner cosmos" of the mind (consciousness, soul, spirit) and how it relates to the "outer cosmos" of the physical world.

http://www.noetic.org/about/what_is.cfm

I think the word "science" is used rather loosely. It reminded me of the Christian Scientist cult and the Scientology cult. They are not true "scientists" but more experimenters in the art of religion as they perceive it. My personal opinion is much of scientific theory outside of factual evidience is a religion of sorts - think evolution

Out of curiosity I looked up the word science, according to Webster's:

Main Entry: sci·ence
Pronunciation: \ˈsī-ən(t)s\
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English, from Anglo-French, from Latin scientia, from scient-, sciens having knowledge, from present participle of scire to know; perhaps akin to Sanskrit chyati he cuts off, Latin scindere to split — more at shed
Date: 14th century

1 : the state of knowing : knowledge as distinguished from ignorance or misunderstanding

2 a : a department of systematized knowledge as an object of study <the science of theology> b : something (as a sport or technique) that may be studied or learned like systematized knowledge <have it down to a science>

3 a : knowledge or a system of knowledge covering general truths or the operation of general laws especially as obtained and tested through scientific method b : such knowledge or such a system of knowledge concerned with the physical world and its phenomena : natural science

4 : a system or method reconciling practical ends with scientific laws <cooking is both a science and an art>

5 capitalized : christian science

[Mary]

I see, so by those definitions they imply that they "know" the stuff they're promoting, and further imply that it is true and real. Well, perhaps they are right, but they do not say that it is evil and destructive, and obscures the Creator from them.

[sheep wrecked]

(03-19-2010 05:20 PM)Mary Wrote:  I see, so by those definitions they imply that they "know" the stuff they're promoting, and further imply that it is true and real. Well, perhaps they are right, but they do not say that it is evil and destructive, and obscures the Creator from them.

I don't think there are any cults or false religions that would advertise that they are evil and destructive

[Mary]

(03-19-2010 07:38 PM)sheep wrecked Wrote:  

(03-19-2010 05:20 PM)Mary Wrote:  I see, so by those definitions they imply that they "know" the stuff they're promoting, and further imply that it is true and real. Well, perhaps they are right, but they do not say that it is evil and destructive, and obscures the Creator from them.

I don't think there are any cults or false religions that would advertise that they are evil and destructive

mind you, people today are so attracted by evil, that they might as well!

[peteraugusts]

As the Noetics Science progresses, the modern world will have new paradigms of scientific spiritual realization, finally obliterating the 'primeval beliefs' of ancient spiritual and religious pursuits. Primitive religion and spirituality would only be found in history books and historical movies.
The Hindu sacred science of Ayurveda that was the mode of treatment at no or nominal cost by our sages until 200 years or so back has today become a posh and expensive treatment and a way of relaxation in the spas and swimming pools of five star hotels and holiday inns. The name Ayurveda is retained because it sells today. Even the simple practice of the Hindu dorbiH karaNam (toppu karaNam) has been 're-invented' and copyrighted as the Superbrain Yoga.

[sheep wrecked]

(04-02-2010 11:43 PM)peteraugusts Wrote:  As the Noetics Science progresses, the modern world will have new paradigms of scientific spiritual realization, finally obliterating the 'primeval beliefs' of ancient spiritual and religious pursuits. Primitive religion and spirituality would only be found in history books and historical movies.
The Hindu sacred science of Ayurveda that was the mode of treatment at no or nominal cost by our sages until 200 years or so back has today become a posh and expensive treatment and a way of relaxation in the spas and swimming pools of five star hotels and holiday inns. The name Ayurveda is retained because it sells today. Even the simple practice of the Hindu dorbiH karaNam (toppu karaNam) has been 're-invented' and copyrighted as the Superbrain Yoga.

As Solomon once said, there is nothing new under the sun. The age old ploy of satan, starting with Eve ---- "you shall be like God". And so the world has always sought to find it's own spirituality and "enlightenment", believing it is God, but all the while .... in the dark.

Joh 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
Joh 3:17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
Joh 3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
Joh 3:19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
Joh 3:20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.
Joh 3:21 But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.

Joh 8:12 Then spake Jesus again unto them, saying, I am the light of the world: he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life.

Joh 12:35 Then Jesus said unto them, Yet a little while is the light with you. Walk while ye have the light, lest darkness come upon you: for he that walketh in darkness knoweth not whither he goeth.
Joh 12:36 While ye have light, believe in the light, that ye may be the children of light. These things spake Jesus, and departed, and did hide himself from them.

Joh 12:46 I am come a light into the world, that whosoever believeth on me should not abide in darkness.