Is Easter Pagan?
05-06-2011, 11:41 AM (This post was last modified: 05-06-2011 11:43 AM by Vic.)
RE: Is Easter Pagan?
(05-06-2011 12:15 AM)sari83 Wrote: It's not that I failed to answer your questions, but it seemed clear to me that they were rhetorical. I made that assumption by the level of ridiculousness displayed in the nature of the questions.
Sarah the questions were not rhetorical whatsoever. Nor were the questions to Bill rhetorical. It has been shown that there was NO god named eostre, easter, ostara etc--proven by archeologists and historians. Any reference to them is from the folly which started with Bede who also made all manner of other inaccurate statements.
Therefore promoting the superstition of any day being in rememberance of that bunny, egg, etc. is total absurdity! and equating that folly and making pagan the time when Christians proclaim the truth of the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ, and making that proclamation to be pagan, is totally a false accusation.
And since you and Bill will not --won't not can't--answer the questions, it's clearly because to answer them would make you carry your beliefs to the logical conclusions:
that being, every single wall in your house that is painted---is part of a pagan religious belief and you need to strip your walls so as not to be a hypocrite about your belief that to do anything that supposedly came from a pagan practice, is to be a pagan. Regardless that there never was a pagan god about easter.
Did you take care of the paint on your walls Sarah, because if you did not, you are a hypocrite and a pagan, practicing and believing pagan religious beliefs, based on what you have declared about paganism here in this thread.
I ask again, Did you go through your wardrobe and dump all clothing of any color and pattern, rather than only having the natural fibre and color? You are a pagan if you didn't, based on your stance. And so is Bill.
And if you like, in order to help you and Bill and others not be hypocrites in what you are saying, I can compile a list of pagan associated activities that have become merely secular things, but because of your views, to be part of them means you are a pagan. For example, Sarah, have you ever owned a doll? You are a pagan if you have. Do you drive a vehicle like a Saturn? or similar names? Need I add more examples?
Because quite frankly while the accusations fly towards Christians, how come there is no same accusation to the Jews observing passover at that same time?
Easter is the fulfillment of passover to Christians---JEWS and GENTILES. That observance of Christ dying and being risen from the grave and proclaimed Savior to all mankind --whosoever believes Him---is the foundational Truth to Christianity and true Christians. And the apostles kept that time and declared Christ in it. Get over it.
As far as the accusation,
Quote:"You failed to show how the 1 Corithians 8 verses pertained to the topic.
I very clearly explained it time and again. How many times were you and Bill asked to provide the documentation that Christians were worshipping or giving sacrifices to a false god? That was the application Sarah. They don't do it. Get over it.
Even explaining it clearly, via examples, being redundant and saying it every way possible, does not seem to give you understanding about it.
Quote:I guess to make a point, it is necessary for you to twist the words of the person who's posting, perhaps in a over-exaggerated attempt to make the other person seem foolish. It's a clever tactic.
Sarah you people take the cake. The absurdity of the false accusation of Christians being pagan by proclaiming Christ on a particular day warrants equal and like responses. And I did not twist any words.
You think I was being absurd---I was asking for clear documentation from you and Bill, repeatedly, that showed Christians worshipping or making sacrifices to any god---any god. Because the absurd accusation is built on sinking sand and has no substance and you cannot provide any documentation to support your false accusations.
Christians do not sit and eat of food sacrificed to idols/false gods. True Christians do not worship false and non existant gods.---They don't exist. There is ONE GOD.
Christians are not sacrificing bunnies or other on any altar in worship of any god.
Have you ever provided documentation that Christians equated the easter bunny with Christ or called the easter bunny Christ or God? no? There is no documentation provided by you because it never happened, in the past or today.
You were asked to provide the documentation in every possible way--and you refused. Folklore doesn't cut it. As I stated we are to have nothing to do with fables. Anything that sourced Bede was totally a fabrication and not based on actual truth.
You are perpetuating that falsehood about easter and saying that is what it means to Christians. It's that simple.
For more on Fables, please see: http://www.seekgod.ca/fables.htm
Quote:When the Puritans came to America they cancelled the "holy day" observances of Christmas and Easter, calling them superstitious
Well of course they did. They believed Bede. Just like you. And they also believed America was their New Jerusalem--heaven on earth so speak, because they were escaping persecution.
Ever see in the Scriptures where Christians' aren't going to suffer persecution? or that we can establish ' heaven' here? Do we or are we to try and make a "Christian" New Jerusalem?
Heb 13:13 Let us go forth therefore unto him without the camp, bearing his reproach.
Heb 13:14 For here have we no continuing city, but we seek one to come.
Heb 13:15 By him therefore let us offer the sacrifice of praise to God continually, that is, the fruit of our lips giving thanks to his name.
Heb 13:16 But to do good and to communicate forget not: for with such sacrifices God is well pleased.
Heb 11:13 These all died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them afar off, and were persuaded of them, and embraced them, and confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth.
Heb 11:14 For they that say such things declare plainly that they seek a country.
Heb 11:15 And truly, if they had been mindful of that country from whence they came out, they might have had opportunity to have returned.
Heb 11:16 But now they desire a better country, that is, an heavenly: wherefore God is not ashamed to be called their God: for he hath prepared for them a city.
Heb 12:22 But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels,
Heb 12:23 To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect,
Heb 12:24 And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel.
2Co 4:16 For which cause we faint not; but though our outward man perish, yet the inward man is renewed day by day.
2Co 4:17 For our light affliction, which is but for a moment, worketh for us a far more exceeding and eternal weight of glory;
2Co 4:18 While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.
2Co 5:1 For we know that if our earthly house of this tabernacle were dissolved, we have a building of God, an house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens.
2Co 5:2 For in this we groan, earnestly desiring to be clothed upon with our house which is from heaven:
Php 3:20 For our conversation is in heaven; from whence also we look for the Saviour, the Lord Jesus Christ:
Col 3:1 If ye then be risen with Christ, seek those things which are above, where Christ sitteth on the right hand of God.
Col 3:2 Set your affection on things above, not on things on the earth.
Col 3:3 For ye are dead, and your life is hid with Christ in God.
2Ti 3:12 Yea, and all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution.
2Ti 3:13 But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived.
2Ti 3:14 But continue thou in the things which thou hast learned and hast been assured of, knowing of whom thou hast learned them;
2Ti 3:15 And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.
2Ti 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
2Ti 3:17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.
For More on Persecution, please see : http://www.seekgod.ca/persecution.htm
As has been shown--repeatedly-- the apostles recognised and proclaimed Christ on what we call Good Friday and also celebrated the resurrection on Easter Sunday. It was always recognised as the Lord's Passover or fulfillment of Passover with Jesus being our Passover Lamb. The distinction of calling it easter was made so that it clearly showed the fulfilled shadow of Passover in Christ, was different than the still practiced passover of the Law. That's what it is to true Christians. What it is to you, is what ever you want it to be.
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1Pe 2:1 Wherefore laying aside all malice, and all guile, and hypocrisies, and envies, and all evil speakings,
1Pe 2:2 As newborn babes, desire the sincere milk of the word, that ye may grow thereby:
1Pe 2:3 If so be ye have tasted that the Lord is gracious.
1Pe 2:4 To whom coming, as unto a living stone, disallowed indeed of men, but chosen of God, and precious,
1Pe 2:5 Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ.
1Pe 2:6 Wherefore also it is contained in the scripture, Behold, I lay in Sion a chief corner stone, elect, precious: and he that believeth on him shall not be confounded.
1Pe 2:7 Unto you therefore which believe he is precious: but unto them which be disobedient, the stone which the builders disallowed, the same is made the head of the corner,
1Pe 2:8 And a stone of stumbling, and a rock of offence, even to them which stumble at the word, being disobedient: whereunto also they were appointed.
1Pe 2:9 But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light:
1Pe 2:10 Which in time past were not a people, but are now the people of God: which had not obtained mercy, but now have obtained mercy.
1Pe 2:11 Dearly beloved, I beseech you as strangers and pilgrims, abstain from fleshly lusts, which war against the soul;
1Pe 2:12 Having your conversation honest among the Gentiles: that, whereas they speak against you as evildoers, they may by your good works, which they shall behold, glorify God in the day of visitation.
1Pe 2:13 Submit yourselves to every ordinance of man for the Lord's sake: whether it be to the king, as supreme;
1Pe 2:14 Or unto governors, as unto them that are sent by him for the punishment of evildoers, and for the praise of them that do well.
1Pe 2:15 For so is the will of God, that with well doing ye may put to silence the ignorance of foolish men:
1Pe 2:16 As free, and not using your liberty for a cloke of maliciousness, but as the servants of God.
Rom 14:1 Him that is weak in the faith receive ye, but not to doubtful disputations.
Rom 14:2 For one believeth that he may eat all things: another, who is weak, eateth herbs.
Rom 14:3 Let not him that eateth despise him that eateth not; and let not him which eateth not judge him that eateth: for God hath received him.
Rom 14:4 Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand.
Rom 14:5 One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.
Rom 14:6 He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks.
Rom 14:7 For none of us liveth to himself, and no man dieth to himself.
Rom 14:8 For whether we live, we live unto the Lord; and whether we die, we die unto the Lord: whether we live therefore, or die, we are the Lord's.
1Co 10:31 Whether therefore ye eat, or drink, or whatsoever ye do, do all to the glory of God.
Col 3:17 And whatsoever ye do in word or deed, do all in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God and the Father by him.
3John 1:4 I have no greater joy than to hear that my children walk in truth.
Isaiah 40:31 But they that wait upon the LORD shall renew their strength; they shall mount up with wings as eagles; they shall run, and not be weary; and they shall walk, and not faint.
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RE: Is Easter Pagan? - melmartinez01 - 07-27-2010, 09:31 AM
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