Keep the Sabbath, Saturday or Sunday & Rest in Christ
06-14-2009, 07:28 AM (This post was last modified: 06-14-2009 07:49 AM by Truth Seeker.)
RE: Almost afraid to post...
Ok then. Appears I've awakened a few deep thoughts with a mod or 2 and even a mere member such as myself now. I'll try to answer everyone yet I'll need to be brief because as you all know typing in this type of environment can become quite time consuming.
I would much rather speak to you all face to face since this is a bit impersonal. Be that as it may lets proceed...
The first person to post was a mod who stated these lines...
Quote:If you have read some other other HR threads, you probably noticed that making statements like "Christianity is living in unconfessed sin" ain't gonna go over real well Th_ththink This is a Christian Forum Bee
And my reply is this....
Yes, as I stated I have read some of the other posts. And, of course I realize my statement wouldn't go over "real well". My statement was not intended to offend, but rather to begin as you said, a dialog. I do however understand how anyone that calls themselves a Christian would become a bit, taken back, shall we say. Hold on....everything will be ok. You will soon see that it's no big deal to get the correct day of worship correct!
Yes, you are correct! I am "deeply engrossed". Please allow me to briefly explain. Like you, I was involved with the "messy antics" Judaism but now I'm not. I found out their orgins and who I was supporting in a round about manner. Unlike you though, I went in the complete opposite direction! I refused to go back into Christianity. I saw enough corruption within the 1000 or so different denominations that I knew there must be something better. Something closer to the truth!
So as far as "refuting" HR goes... we shall see. If we all can think logically and put aside any subjective thinking, perhaps....just perhaps....some light will come shining through!
On to the 2nd poster who stated this...
Quote:Yes, sunday is not the sabbath, but i am free to honour any day i please, or none at all. St Paul said so: "let no man be your judge as regards sabbaths etc"
Wow...this is a lot to respond to. I'll be brief yet...truthful shall we say?
It never takes long for most to come up with the verse from Collisions. That's ok though. I hung on that same verse for about 20 years myself at one time! Now for a small dose of truth.... Remember now.....we're thinking objectively, not subjectively, right?
Col 2:16 Let no one therefore judge you in eating or in drinking, or in respect of a festival or a new moon or Sabbaths –
Col 2:17 which are a shadow of what is to come – but the Body of the Messiah.
Consider these facts...
1)Paul 1st mentions meat and drink.
There are no drink regulations in the "law".
2)The kjv added the word "is" to the verse changing what is contrasted.
3)He says they are a "Shadow of what is to come".
Paul is saying let no man judge you, except members of the one body because these festivals and new moons and annual (and weekly) Sabbaths which you had not been keeping, but are at long last now keeping, are shadows of good things to come! Think logically here!
Paul kept the weekly and annual Sabbaths himself. Why would scripture be silent on changing the 4th commandment if it had been done away with? I've got good news for you! It hasn't changed. Paul didn't have the authority to change the law. As a matter of fact he considered the law...
Rom 7:22 For I delight in the Torah of Elohim according to the inward man,
"A delight" and elsewhere "holy and just".
The SDA's are another issue. They have some problems too. But, to answer your question. No.
There is to much to adress in the rest of your post for now.
Moving on to the 3rd poster... Ya know....To play it safe and not be to lengthy in this reply, I'' do a follow-up post....
Alrighteee then... Moving on to the 3rd poster....
Quote:First of all, Sunday has never been, nor will it ever be the Sabbath. The Sabbath was not given to the Church/the Body of Christ, it was given to Israel. Israelites in the land of Israel still keep the sabbath today.
I beg to differ. Let's check the writings, shall we? The Weekly Sabbath we are addressing was given to "man".
Mar 2:27 And He said to them, “The Sabbath was made for man, and not man for the Sabbath.
The "born again" believer has not yet been "born again". This is off topic...for now.
The things that are against us is our unconfessed sin. The law is for us. Sin is what was nailed to His crux not the law.
Hebrews 4 tells us this...
Heb 4:4 For somewhere He has said thus about the seventh day, “And Elohim rested on the seventh day from all His works,”
Heb 4:5 and in this again, “If they shall enter into My rest...”
Heb 4:6 Since then it remains for some to enter into it, and those who formerly received the Good News did not enter in because of disobedience,
Heb 4:7 He again defines a certain day, “Today,” saying through Dawiḏ so much later, as it has been said, “Today, if you hear His voice, do not harden your hearts.”
I prefer rather to call it the truth and not "heretical" as you say.
Moving on to the next poster....
Quote:That is a rather strong statement!
Strong statement, ...or the truth. We must all decide for ourselves.
Your motive for keeping the correct Sabbath is a bit strange. We should keep it because we have a love for His law, not pushing it away as the lawless one to be revealed will do.
As far a "judging" anyone goes....He will do the final judging of the "church", not I. Be that as it may we are instructed to "be instant" in our reply to erroneous lawless teachings....with LOVE!!!!
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