Keep the Sabbath, Saturday or Sunday & Rest in Christ

[Truth Seeker]

Ok then. Appears I've awakened a few deep thoughts with a mod or 2 and even a mere member such as myself now. I'll try to answer everyone yet I'll need to be brief because as you all know typing in this type of environment can become quite time consuming.

I would much rather speak to you all face to face since this is a bit impersonal. Be that as it may lets proceed...

The first person to post was a mod who stated these lines...

Quote:If you have read some other other HR threads, you probably noticed that making statements like "Christianity is living in unconfessed sin" ain't gonna go over real well Th_ththink This is a Christian Forum Bee

Now maybe you were just trying to drum up some dialogue Th_dramaqueensmil but I have a feeling that you are deeply engrossed in HR and are here to dump your stuff on the table, most of which we have already refuted Busted

So, if you are here to "discuss" versus "teach" that would be cool Th_airplane otherwise, your stay here will probably be a bit daunting EyerubTh_smiley_swordfight2

And my reply is this....

Yes, as I stated I have read some of the other posts. And, of course I realize my statement wouldn't go over "real well". My statement was not intended to offend, but rather to begin as you said, a dialog. I do however understand how anyone that calls themselves a Christian would become a bit, taken back, shall we say. Hold on....everything will be ok. You will soon see that it's no big deal to get the correct day of worship correct!

Yes, you are correct! I am "deeply engrossed". Please allow me to briefly explain. Like you, I was involved with the "messy antics" Judaism but now I'm not. I found out their orgins and who I was supporting in a round about manner. Unlike you though, I went in the complete opposite direction! I refused to go back into Christianity. I saw enough corruption within the 1000 or so different denominations that I knew there must be something better. Something closer to the truth!

So as far as "refuting" HR goes... we shall see. If we all can think logically and put aside any subjective thinking, perhaps....just perhaps....some light will come shining through!

On to the 2nd poster who stated this...

Quote:Yes, sunday is not the sabbath, but i am free to honour any day i please, or none at all. St Paul said so: "let no man be your judge as regards sabbaths etc"

but let is assume that sabbath keeping really meant saturday. Does the Seventh Day Adventist practice of going to church on Saturday constitute keeping the sabbath?

is forced refraining from activity on saturday sabbath keeping, or merely pretending to keep the sabbath?

If sabbath keeping becomes a work of Law it will be something to boast about, and I have heard adventists boast about the number of Sabbaths they have kept. So what is the point of it? Not that God commands it, because our efforts to obey the commandment do not even touch the surface of the commandment itself, and so it is with legalism throughout

If obedience by willpower against our own impulses were not sin the pharisees, who were past masters at this, would be approved by God not condemned, but if such is sin then it is often all we have got and we are no better than pharisees, though of course, beding moderns, we have no notion of real dedication and zewal- we are mere dabblers.

If you or any other go to church out of this motive, and
I have, the very act of going to church, even on a Saturday if you insist, IS SIN.

For it is written "Who ordered of you this trampling of my Courts?" If we congregate or obey or anything out of mere duty, and not in delight, we are trampling his courts and defiling his Law, making a mockery of it. And this is the irony: it is those most dedicated to obeying God who make the worst mockery of Hisd commandments

Are you suggeseting that the church, christendom, keep ALL the rest of the Law but fall down on the Sabbath?

then you, and certainly the SDA's I have had dealings with, have no notion of the inner nature of sin.

NO ONE keeps the Law. Forced observances of the forms out of presumption fear or pride does not constitute obedience to it, for if it did equal law keeping then it was plain that we were justified by Law.

Given the habits of church attendance, if sanctimonious hypocrites go to a designated place on a saturday or sunday, if they indulge in the malicous gossip that comprises their prayer requests their sermons and their conversation, what difference would it make?

Wow...this is a lot to respond to. I'll be brief yet...truthful shall we say?

It never takes long for most to come up with the verse from Collisions. That's ok though. I hung on that same verse for about 20 years myself at one time! Now for a small dose of truth.... Remember now.....we're thinking objectively, not subjectively, right?

Col 2:16 Let no one therefore judge you in eating or in drinking, or in respect of a festival or a new moon or Sabbaths –
Col 2:17 which are a shadow of what is to come – but the Body of the Messiah.


Consider these facts...
1)Paul 1st mentions meat and drink.
There are no drink regulations in the "law".
2)The kjv added the word "is" to the verse changing what is contrasted.
3)He says they are a "Shadow of what is to come".
Paul is saying let no man judge you, except members of the one body because these festivals and new moons and annual (and weekly) Sabbaths which you had not been keeping, but are at long last now keeping, are shadows of good things to come! Think logically here!

Paul kept the weekly and annual Sabbaths himself. Why would scripture be silent on changing the 4th commandment if it had been done away with? I've got good news for you! It hasn't changed. Paul didn't have the authority to change the law. As a matter of fact he considered the law...

Rom 7:22 For I delight in the Torah of Elohim according to the inward man,

"A delight" and elsewhere "holy and just".

The SDA's are another issue. They have some problems too. But, to answer your question. No.



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There is to much to adress in the rest of your post for now.

Moving on to the 3rd poster... Ya know....To play it safe and not be to lengthy in this reply, I'' do a follow-up post....

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Alrighteee then... Moving on to the 3rd poster....

Quote:First of all, Sunday has never been, nor will it ever be the Sabbath. The Sabbath was not given to the Church/the Body of Christ, it was given to Israel. Israelites in the land of Israel still keep the sabbath today.

The born again believer is not bound to "keep the Sabbath":

Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross; And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it. Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days: Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ. (Colossians 2:14-17)

Jesus Christ IS the Sabbath (which means REST) for every born again Christian. (Hebrews 4) Jesus fulfilled the Sabbath. Christianity was never given the Sabbath....therefore to say that all Christianity is living in unconfessed sin because Sunday is not the Sabbath, is heretical.

I beg to differ. Let's check the writings, shall we? The Weekly Sabbath we are addressing was given to "man".

Mar 2:27 And He said to them, “The Sabbath was made for man, and not man for the Sabbath.

The "born again" believer has not yet been "born again". This is off topic...for now.

The things that are against us is our unconfessed sin. The law is for us. Sin is what was nailed to His crux not the law.

Hebrews 4 tells us this...

Heb 4:4 For somewhere He has said thus about the seventh day, “And Elohim rested on the seventh day from all His works,”
Heb 4:5 and in this again, “If they shall enter into My rest...”
Heb 4:6 Since then it remains for some to enter into it, and those who formerly received the Good News did not enter in because of disobedience,
Heb 4:7 He again defines a certain day, “Today,” saying through Dawiḏ so much later, as it has been said, “Today, if you hear His voice, do not harden your hearts.”

I prefer rather to call it the truth and not "heretical" as you say.

Moving on to the next poster....

Quote:That is a rather strong statement!
The firstpart is true tho
Sunday is not the shabbath, not the 7th day .
The word "therefore", is not accurat.
I do believe that the 7th day is set apart by God to point to something.
His rest. Stop working ourselve.
In the OT we see that we can 't earn anything, we can 't please God at fullest.
Everything points to the coming Messiah.
He is the rest promised to us.
In Him we live In Him we rest.
I don t "do" sunday, i remember and honor shabbath still as the day God set apart, to remember us that He is creator.
Not because of Moses, not because of a law,
I don t judge people for whatever day they "keep"......
and i don t want to be judged because i "remember"the creation days and the day God rested!

I see a important meaning in the fact that God tells us, He did set apart a day. God was'n t tired so it had to have another meaning.
I see it as the promised rest that will come, for eternity.
So....looking forward to His rest and His blessings makes the 7th day special to me.

EMJE

Strong statement, ...or the truth. We must all decide for ourselves.

Your motive for keeping the correct Sabbath is a bit strange. We should keep it because we have a love for His law, not pushing it away as the lawless one to be revealed will do.

As far a "judging" anyone goes....He will do the final judging of the "church", not I. Be that as it may we are instructed to "be instant" in our reply to erroneous lawless teachings....with LOVE!!!!