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Where does Scripture say Jesus is God?
10-31-2010, 05:25 PM
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Where does Scripture say Jesus is God?
Okay, I know Jesus is God, but I need to know specific verses to which I can refer when somebody tells me "Jesus never actually said He was God" (which of course has happened Rolleyes ).

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10-31-2010, 05:40 PM (This post was last modified: 10-31-2010 05:42 PM by sheep wrecked.)
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(10-31-2010 05:25 PM)YYZ Skinhead Wrote:  Okay, I know Jesus is God, but I need to know specific verses to which I can refer when somebody tells me "Jesus never actually said He was God" (which of course has happened Rolleyes ).

Here's a nice list of texts. There are more, but this is good start Smile

Matt. 4:7; Luke 4:12 - Jesus tells satan, "you shall not tempt the Lord your God" in reference to Himself.

Matt. 5:21-22; 27-28; 31-32; 33-34; 38-39; 43-44 - Jesus makes Himself equal to God when He declares, "You heard it said...but I say to you.."

Matt. 7:21-22; Luke 6:46 - not everyone who says to Jesus, "Lord, Lord." Jesus calls Himself Lord, which is God.

Matt. 9:2; Mark 2:5; Luke 5:20; 7:48 - Jesus forgives sins. Only God can forgive sins.

Matt. 12:8; Mark 2:28; Luke 6:5 - Jesus says that He is "Lord of the Sabbath." He is the Lord of God's law which means He is God.

Matt. 18:20 - Jesus says where two or three are gathered in His name, there He is in the midst of them.

Matt. 21:3; Luke 19:31,34 - Jesus calls himself "Lord." "The Lord has need of them."

Matt. 26:64; Mark 14:62; Luke 22:70 - Jesus acknowledges that He is the Son of God.

Matt. 28:20 - Jesus said He is with us always, even unto the end of the world. Only God is omnipresent.

Luke 8:39 - Luke reports that Jesus said "tell how much God has done for you." And the man declared how much Jesus did.

Luke 17:18 - Jesus asks why the other nine lepers did not come back to give praise to Him, God, except the Samaritan leper.

Luke 19:38,40 - Blessed is He who comes in the name of the Lord. If these were silent, the very stones would cry out.

John 5:18 - Jesus claimed to be God. The Jews knew this because Jesus called God His Father and made Himself equal to God. This is why Jesus was crucified.

John 5:21-22 - Jesus gives life and says that all judgment has been given to Him by the Father.

John 5:23 - Jesus equates Himself with the Father, "whoever does not honor the Son does not honor the Father who sent Him."

John 6:38 - Jesus says, "For I have come down from heaven."

John 8:12 - Jesus says "I am the light of the world." - 1 John 1:5 - God is light and in him there is no darkness at all.

John 8:19 - Jesus says, "if you knew me, you would know my Father also."

John 8:23 - Jesus says that He is not of this world. Only God is not of this world.

John 8:58 - Jesus says, "Before Abraham was, I AM." Exodus 3:14 - "I AM" means "YHWH," which means God.

John 10:18 - Jesus says He has the power to lay down His life and take it up again - Gal. 1:1 - God raised Jesus to life.

John 10:30 - Jesus says, "I and the Father are one." They are equal. The Jews even claimed Jesus made Himself equal to God. Jesus' statement in John 14:28, "the Father is greater than I," cannot contradict John 10:30 (the Word of God is never in conflict). Jesus' statement in John 14:28 simply refers to His human messianic role as servant and slave, which He, and not the Father or the Holy Spirit, undertook in the flesh.

John 10:36 - again, Jesus claims that He is "the Son of God."

John 10:38; 14:10 - "the Father is in me and I am in the Father" means the Father and Son are equal.

John 12:45 - Jesus says, "He who sees Me sees Him who sent Me." God the Father is equal to God the Son.

John 13:13 - Jesus says, "You call me Teacher and Lord and you are right for so I AM."

John 14:6 - Jesus says "I am the way, and the truth and the life." Only God is the way, the truth and the life.

John 16:15 - Jesus says, "all things that the Father has are Mine." Jesus has everything God has which makes Him God.

John 16:28 - Jesus says that "He came from the Father and has come into the world."

John 17:5,24 - Jesus' desire is for us to behold His glory which He had before the foundation of the world.

John 20:17 - Jesus distinguishes His relationship to the Father from our relationship by saying "My Father and your Father."

Rev. 1:8 - God says He is the "Alpha and the Omega." In Rev. 22:13, Jesus also says He is the "Alpha and Omega, the First and the Last, the beginning and the end." The only possible conclusion one can reach is that Jesus is equal to the Lord God.

Rev. 1:17 - Jesus says again, "I am the First and the Last." This is in reference to the God prophesied by Isaiah in Isaiah 44:6, 41:4, 48:12.

Rev. 1:18 - Jesus, the First and the Last, also says "I died, and behold, I am alive for evermore." When did God ever die? He only did in the humanity of Jesus Christ our Lord and God.
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12-10-2011, 01:58 AM
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RE: Where does Scripture say Jesus is God?
(10-31-2010 05:40 PM)sheep wrecked Wrote:  
(10-31-2010 05:25 PM)YYZ Skinhead Wrote:  Okay, I know Jesus is God, but I need to know specific verses to which I can refer when somebody tells me "Jesus never actually said He was God" (which of course has happened Rolleyes ).

Here's a nice list of texts. There are more, but this is good start Smile

Matt. 4:7; Luke 4:12 - Jesus tells satan, "you shall not tempt the Lord your God" in reference to Himself.

Matt. 5:21-22; 27-28; 31-32; 33-34; 38-39; 43-44 - Jesus makes Himself equal to God when He declares, "You heard it said...but I say to you.."

Matt. 7:21-22; Luke 6:46 - not everyone who says to Jesus, "Lord, Lord." Jesus calls Himself Lord, which is God.

Matt. 9:2; Mark 2:5; Luke 5:20; 7:48 - Jesus forgives sins. Only God can forgive sins.

Matt. 12:8; Mark 2:28; Luke 6:5 - Jesus says that He is "Lord of the Sabbath." He is the Lord of God's law which means He is God.

Matt. 18:20 - Jesus says where two or three are gathered in His name, there He is in the midst of them.

Matt. 21:3; Luke 19:31,34 - Jesus calls himself "Lord." "The Lord has need of them."

Matt. 26:64; Mark 14:62; Luke 22:70 - Jesus acknowledges that He is the Son of God.

Matt. 28:20 - Jesus said He is with us always, even unto the end of the world. Only God is omnipresent.

Luke 8:39 - Luke reports that Jesus said "tell how much God has done for you." And the man declared how much Jesus did.

Luke 17:18 - Jesus asks why the other nine lepers did not come back to give praise to Him, God, except the Samaritan leper.

Luke 19:38,40 - Blessed is He who comes in the name of the Lord. If these were silent, the very stones would cry out.

John 5:18 - Jesus claimed to be God. The Jews knew this because Jesus called God His Father and made Himself equal to God. This is why Jesus was crucified.

John 5:21-22 - Jesus gives life and says that all judgment has been given to Him by the Father.

John 5:23 - Jesus equates Himself with the Father, "whoever does not honor the Son does not honor the Father who sent Him."

John 6:38 - Jesus says, "For I have come down from heaven."

John 8:12 - Jesus says "I am the light of the world." - 1 John 1:5 - God is light and in him there is no darkness at all.

John 8:19 - Jesus says, "if you knew me, you would know my Father also."

John 8:23 - Jesus says that He is not of this world. Only God is not of this world.

John 8:58 - Jesus says, "Before Abraham was, I AM." Exodus 3:14 - "I AM" means "YHWH," which means God.

John 10:18 - Jesus says He has the power to lay down His life and take it up again - Gal. 1:1 - God raised Jesus to life.

John 10:30 - Jesus says, "I and the Father are one." They are equal. The Jews even claimed Jesus made Himself equal to God. Jesus' statement in John 14:28, "the Father is greater than I," cannot contradict John 10:30 (the Word of God is never in conflict). Jesus' statement in John 14:28 simply refers to His human messianic role as servant and slave, which He, and not the Father or the Holy Spirit, undertook in the flesh.

John 10:36 - again, Jesus claims that He is "the Son of God."

John 10:38; 14:10 - "the Father is in me and I am in the Father" means the Father and Son are equal.

John 12:45 - Jesus says, "He who sees Me sees Him who sent Me." God the Father is equal to God the Son.

John 13:13 - Jesus says, "You call me Teacher and Lord and you are right for so I AM."

John 14:6 - Jesus says "I am the way, and the truth and the life." Only God is the way, the truth and the life.

John 16:15 - Jesus says, "all things that the Father has are Mine." Jesus has everything God has which makes Him God.

John 16:28 - Jesus says that "He came from the Father and has come into the world."

John 17:5,24 - Jesus' desire is for us to behold His glory which He had before the foundation of the world.

John 20:17 - Jesus distinguishes His relationship to the Father from our relationship by saying "My Father and your Father."

Rev. 1:8 - God says He is the "Alpha and the Omega." In Rev. 22:13, Jesus also says He is the "Alpha and Omega, the First and the Last, the beginning and the end." The only possible conclusion one can reach is that Jesus is equal to the Lord God.

Rev. 1:17 - Jesus says again, "I am the First and the Last." This is in reference to the God prophesied by Isaiah in Isaiah 44:6, 41:4, 48:12.

Rev. 1:18 - Jesus, the First and the Last, also says "I died, and behold, I am alive for evermore." When did God ever die? He only did in the humanity of Jesus Christ our Lord and God.

Ok, I'm gonna bite on this one. And i'm sure i'll get roasted but, that's fine. I truly believe it's good to debate the Word and I believe that no man has everything figured out or knows the deep secrets and understandings Of our most Holy and Awesome King. So, with that said...
I'm going to say right up front that this is truly just my opinion. And I've spent alot of time meditating on this. I actually think that the Father and the Son are different and yet they are "Echad", meaning one. Just like you can't separate our body and spirit and we also have the Spirit of the Father , yet all three are for sure different. There are almost 400 references to the Father in just the New Testament alone. And Yeshua on many many occasions refers to the Father as one that is above HIM. All those verses that are quoted in ship wrecks post above, where Yeshua points to the Father, are just that, pointing to the Father not at HIMSELF. I also don't believe that Adonai could never be hung on a stake and killed, not for 3 days and not for 1 second. Yeshua was truly the Son of Adonai and the Sacrificial Lamb of HIM. The name it's self "Yeshua" means The Salvation From God.
And please, if you really want, I will take the time to find and post the many many new Testament verses that Yeshua himself separates HIMSELF from the father and points us to the Father YHWH. But, they aren't very hard to find on your own either. Yes Yeshua was in the beginning and yes HE was the word of the Scriptures made flesh. And Yes HE sits at the right hand of His and our Father in Heaven. Yes He is our High priest. Yes it's true that none can go to the Father except through Him.
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12-10-2011, 03:38 PM
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Mark in reference to your last post I didn't actually disagree with any of the arguments you made.Whether others will, I have no idea since the subject is a complex one.
What really turns me off in your post is your attitude of defensiveness and assuming that people are going to disagree.Why should you assume you will be roasted for this?
I am sure that there must be reasons for your attitude that kind of reminds me of a wounded animal that keeps biting out at anyone who draws near.
In this forum we have many posters and some tend or have tended to be more aggresive and defensive than others.It does seem though, that you are tarring everyone with the same brush.
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12-10-2011, 09:55 PM
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RE: Where does Scripture say Jesus is God?
(12-10-2011 03:38 PM)Rose of Shushan Wrote:  Mark in reference to your last post I didn't actually disagree with any of the arguments you made.Whether others will, I have no idea since the subject is a complex one.
What really turns me off in your post is your attitude of defensiveness and assuming that people are going to disagree.Why should you assume you will be roasted for this?
I am sure that there must be reasons for your attitude that kind of reminds me of a wounded animal that keeps biting out at anyone who draws near.
In this forum we have many posters and some tend or have tended to be more aggresive and defensive than others.It does seem though, that you are tarring everyone with the same brush.
I assume I'm going to get roasted because quite simply I have almost every time. But, OK I'll give you that and I won't assume anymore. And I have read all the posts I've made and yes I would agree, if I wasn't me looking at them, That in fact it may appear I have been defensive, I would say though because of how I was first approached. Yes it was true I did not read the rules for Newbies and didn't realize I couldn't just make a post until 50 replies. Although I have seen others do so with under 12. And Yes I just assume once I signed up I could post, my, bad. So anyway, I am absolutely not being aggressive out of the blue , it was like i said, the way i felt from the get go, that i was being "roasted " as I put it. I've been a saved Man for over 30 years so, I think I'm very secure in my believe and faith in My Savior and my King. I really was just shocked at the attitude I seen displayed towards HR people. That was what made me post from the beginning. I don't think the HR people i've come in contact deserve by any means, the attitudes i've seen posted about them here. I do notice that some of you are what you call "ex-HR" so, i guess that some of you may have had some bad experiences and therefore feel your attitudes are justified, and that may be the case, I don't know. So, anyway....
Yes this is a very complex issue and I think like alot of other complex issues in the Scriptures, including Torah observance, we need to be careful about how we take stands and then try to dig up Scriptures to back up our stands. But, at the same time, I believe like I said," it's a good thing and honorable thing, to debate the faith that we have in our most High God and our High Priest and Savior. I'm sorry if I defended myself in a aggressive manner and I will take a breath if you will, and maybe we can start off a fresh, and possibly have some interesting and profitable dialogue.
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12-11-2011, 04:21 PM
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RE: Where does Scripture say Jesus is God?
(12-10-2011 09:55 PM)Mark_R Wrote:  I assume I'm going to get roasted because quite simply I have almost every time. But, OK I'll give you that and I won't assume anymore. And I have read all the posts I've made and yes I would agree, if I wasn't me looking at them, That in fact it may appear I have been defensive, I would say though because of how I was first approached. Yes it was true I did not read the rules for Newbies and didn't realize I couldn't just make a post until 50 replies. Although I have seen others do so with under 12. And Yes I just assume once I signed up I could post, my, bad. So anyway, I am absolutely not being aggressive out of the blue , it was like i said, the way i felt from the get go, that i was being "roasted " as I put it. I've been a saved Man for over 30 years so, I think I'm very secure in my believe and faith in My Savior and my King. I really was just shocked at the attitude I seen displayed towards HR people. That was what made me post from the beginning. I don't think the HR people i've come in contact deserve by any means, the attitudes i've seen posted about them here. I do notice that some of you are what you call "ex-HR" so, i guess that some of you may have had some bad experiences and therefore feel your attitudes are justified, and that may be the case, I don't know. So, anyway....
Yes this is a very complex issue and I think like alot of other complex issues in the Scriptures, including Torah observance, we need to be careful about how we take stands and then try to dig up Scriptures to back up our stands. But, at the same time, I believe like I said," it's a good thing and honorable thing, to debate the faith that we have in our most High God and our High Priest and Savior. I'm sorry if I defended myself in a aggressive manner and I will take a breath if you will, and maybe we can start off a fresh, and possibly have some interesting and profitable dialogue.

Mark, people responded to you from the get go and you were definitely on the attack from your post which was actually worse than your original thread that was removed. That you don't accept what was said is your feeling of being 'roasted' and had nothing to do with being mistreated by anyone. How do you suppose the members and readers felt about your onslaught and attack and false accusations Mark?

You chose to not answer my pm but brought things to the forum. That was your choice. It was also your choice to continue to ignore the rules and keep trying to rehash the admin decisions and attack me in your posts. You need to stop that now. No more of it. You need to stop attributing your bad behavior to being dealt with for violating forum rules. That was your choice. There are consequences to those choices. If you need to address this further take it to the PM and not here.

The issue of the 50 posts before being allowed to start a thread---and you noticed some could before/after 12 posts. Just so you don't feel targeted Mark, when this forum was started there were zero rules. None, nada, zilch. But then we got people coming on who had zero respect for the other members, and definitely none for the admins. or Christians etc. And we got a lot of spammers---who came with agenda's to merely spam their own writings or errant doctrine and who played the victim when called on it. Members were complaining and it was felt rules were needed. People forgot or didn't care that they are guests here and this forum is here as a courtesy for people to make use of.

So I went and reviewed a lot of different forums to try and come up with some rules which would provide an atmosphere condusive to discussion and attempt to halt the total lack of repect displayed by many. And yes, Mark, including those in HR and many other groups. Initially threads were allowed to be started by members from the start, but again it had to be changed to the limit of after 10 posts. THen some came with agendas who did the required ten posts and then bombarded us with posts and threads spamming their junk. So the rule for newbies for links and threads was changed to 50. Like it or not. It slows the spamming and misuse of the forum for a platform for spewing junk.

You don't know the attitudes or hearts behind the discussions with those who you have condemned as hate filled etc towards HR. You don't know what took place behind the scenes and you don't know the individuals. And you need to consider that. I would suggest you read the following articles which will help you see just a small part of what is presented by some:

http://www.seekgod.ca/hrarticle.htm
http://www.seekgod.ca/rejected.htm
http://www.seekgod.ca/malgoodman.htm

series > Brad Scott - Part 1: Introduction & Mountain West http://www.seekgod.ca/bradscott1.htm

series > http://www.seekgod.ca/trimmdoc.htm

series > http://www.seekgod.ca/tommitchell.htm

http://www.seekgod.ca/nydlenewsflash.htm

series > Monte Judah, Kabbalist, False Prophet & False Prophecies http://www.seekgod.ca/montejudah.htm

series > Michael Rood >http://www.seekgod.ca/topichrministries.htm#michael

Now that these things have been said, yes move on in the discussion. And please, keep to the topic of the thread. You are cross posting about Christmas particularly and there is a thread for that topic. So please, try to keep on point as otherwise I will have to stop the threads and move posts to the appropriate spot and that's a real pain to do.

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12-11-2011, 04:28 PM
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RE: Where does Scripture say Jesus is God?
(12-10-2011 01:58 AM)Mark_R Wrote:  Ok, I'm gonna bite on this one. And i'm sure i'll get roasted but, that's fine. I truly believe it's good to debate the Word and I believe that no man has everything figured out or knows the deep secrets and understandings Of our most Holy and Awesome King. So, with that said...
I'm going to say right up front that this is truly just my opinion. And I've spent alot of time meditating on this. I actually think that the Father and the Son are different and yet they are "Echad", meaning one. Just like you can't separate our body and spirit and we also have the Spirit of the Father , yet all three are for sure different. There are almost 400 references to the Father in just the New Testament alone. And Yeshua on many many occasions refers to the Father as one that is above HIM. All those verses that are quoted in ship wrecks post above, where Yeshua points to the Father, are just that, pointing to the Father not at HIMSELF. I also don't believe that Adonai could never be hung on a stake and killed, not for 3 days and not for 1 second. Yeshua was truly the Son of Adonai and the Sacrificial Lamb of HIM. The name it's self "Yeshua" means The Salvation From God.
And please, if you really want, I will take the time to find and post the many many new Testament verses that Yeshua himself separates HIMSELF from the father and points us to the Father YHWH. But, they aren't very hard to find on your own either. Yes Yeshua was in the beginning and yes HE was the word of the Scriptures made flesh. And Yes HE sits at the right hand of His and our Father in Heaven. Yes He is our High priest. Yes it's true that none can go to the Father except through Him.

Mark I am curious how you see these verses:

1Ti 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

Joh 14:26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.
Joh 14:27 Peace I leave with you, my peace I give unto you: not as the world giveth, give I unto you. Let not your heart be troubled, neither let it be afraid.
Joh 14:28 Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.
Joh 14:29 And now I have told you before it come to pass, that, when it is come to pass, ye might believe.

Joh 15:26 But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me:

Joh 16:7 Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you.
Joh 16:8 And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment:

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12-11-2011, 06:03 PM
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(12-11-2011 04:28 PM)Vic Wrote:  
(12-10-2011 01:58 AM)Mark_R Wrote:  Ok, I'm gonna bite on this one. And i'm sure i'll get roasted but, that's fine. I truly believe it's good to debate the Word and I believe that no man has everything figured out or knows the deep secrets and understandings Of our most Holy and Awesome King. So, with that said...
I'm going to say right up front that this is truly just my opinion. And I've spent alot of time meditating on this. I actually think that the Father and the Son are different and yet they are "Echad", meaning one. Just like you can't separate our body and spirit and we also have the Spirit of the Father , yet all three are for sure different. There are almost 400 references to the Father in just the New Testament alone. And Yeshua on many many occasions refers to the Father as one that is above HIM. All those verses that are quoted in ship wrecks post above, where Yeshua points to the Father, are just that, pointing to the Father not at HIMSELF. I also don't believe that Adonai could never be hung on a stake and killed, not for 3 days and not for 1 second. Yeshua was truly the Son of Adonai and the Sacrificial Lamb of HIM. The name it's self "Yeshua" means The Salvation From God.
And please, if you really want, I will take the time to find and post the many many new Testament verses that Yeshua himself separates HIMSELF from the father and points us to the Father YHWH. But, they aren't very hard to find on your own either. Yes Yeshua was in the beginning and yes HE was the word of the Scriptures made flesh. And Yes HE sits at the right hand of His and our Father in Heaven. Yes He is our High priest. Yes it's true that none can go to the Father except through Him.

Mark I am curious how you see these verses:

1Ti 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

Joh 14:26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.
Joh 14:27 Peace I leave with you, my peace I give unto you: not as the world giveth, give I unto you. Let not your heart be troubled, neither let it be afraid.
Joh 14:28 Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.
Joh 14:29 And now I have told you before it come to pass, that, when it is come to pass, ye might believe.

Joh 15:26 But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me:

Joh 16:7 Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you.
Joh 16:8 And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment:

Vic, the only one of those verses that say Yeshua was God, is 1tim 3:16. And honestly I'm not sure if that translation of it in rendered correctly. If it is then it should be confirmed by many more of the same. So, I'm not trying to discredit the KJV but, we know that there are major issues with Greek to english as far is it being cut and dry.
The other verses you give here all point to the same point I was making. That Yeshua always point's us to the Father, He never says HE is God. There are massive references to HIM pointing us to the Father, including the Prayer we have labeled the "Lords" prayer. HE says when you pray pray to your Father that is in Heaven, not to the Son that is in Heaven, ask that HIS will ( the Father's be done) Not the Son's.
And again Vic I don't claim by any means to have this issue straight in my mind or my heart. That's why I say it is my opinion. Basically, because some things, I think we as Humans just can't wrap our minds around and grasp the fullest of. And I think this may be one of many of those things. I have like I said spent alot of time mediating and studying this. But, I just don't see total clarity in this for us.
Truly though a great topic to debate.
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12-11-2011, 11:16 PM
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RE: Where does Scripture say Jesus is God?
So Mark your answer to Vic's question is that the translation of those verses she asked your opinion on MAY be incorrect?

Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.(2John 1:9)
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12-13-2011, 01:20 AM
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RE: Where does Scripture say Jesus is God?
In keeping on topic here is another verse...

1 John 3:16 Hereby perceive we the love of God, because he laid down his life for us: and we ought to lay down our lives for the brethren.

In this verse there is no distinction between Jesus and God.Only God is used in this verse.
Hereby perceive we the love of God,(herewith - thus, is how we see - understand - realize - sense - comprehend - notice the love of God)because he(he is referring to the aforementioned God) laid down his life for us.

This verse to me makes God and Jesus one and the same.

Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.(2John 1:9)
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