What's the True Name of God?

[zeke25]

(07-20-2010 08:20 AM)Mary Wrote:  
When I read your "teaching", a word came to mind: "confusion".

I googled some of your phrases and found an article by 'remantofyhwh.com' which is very similar to what you are saying. Are you the author of the article, or have you taken your "teaching" from it?

Please take a good look at 1 Corinthians 14: 1-33

Follow after charity, and desire spiritual gifts, but rather that ye may prophesy.
For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries.
But he that prophesieth speaketh unto men to edification, and exhortation, and comfort.
He that speaketh in an unknown tongue edifieth himself; but he that prophesieth edifieth the church.
I would that ye all spake with tongues, but rather that ye prophesied: for greater is he that prophesieth than he that speaketh with tongues, except he interpret, that the church may receive edifying.
Now, brethren, if I come unto you speaking with tongues, what shall I profit you, except I shall speak to you either by revelation, or by knowledge, or by prophesying, or by doctrine?
And even things without life giving sound, whether pipe or harp, except they give a distinction in the sounds, how shall it be known what is piped or harped?
For if the trumpet give an uncertain sound, who shall prepare himself to the battle?
So likewise ye, except ye utter by the tongue words easy to be understood, how shall it be known what is spoken? for ye shall speak into the air.
There are, it may be, so many kinds of voices in the world, and none of them is without signification.
Therefore if I know not the meaning of the voice, I shall be unto him that speaketh a barbarian, and he that speaketh shall be a barbarian unto me.
Even so ye, forasmuch as ye are zealous of spiritual gifts, seek that ye may excel to the edifying of the church.
Wherefore let him that speaketh in an unknown tongue pray that he may interpret.
For if I pray in an unknown tongue, my spirit prayeth, but my understanding is unfruitful.
What is it then? I will pray with the spirit, and I will pray with the understanding also: I will sing with the spirit, and I will sing with the understanding also.
Else when thou shalt bless with the spirit, how shall he that occupieth the room of the unlearned say Amen at thy giving of thanks, seeing he understandeth not what thou sayest?
For thou verily givest thanks well, but the other is not edified.
I thank my God, I speak with tongues more than ye all:
Yet in the church I had rather speak five words with my understanding, that by my voice I might teach others also, than ten thousand words in an unknown tongue.
Brethren, be not children in understanding: howbeit in malice be ye children, but in understanding be men.
In the law it is written, With men of other tongues and other lips will I speak unto this people; and yet for all that will they not hear me, saith the Lord.
Wherefore tongues are for a sign, not to them that believe, but to them that believe not: but prophesying serveth not for them that believe not, but for them which believe.
If therefore the whole church be come together into one place, and all speak with tongues, and there come in those that are unlearned, or unbelievers, will they not say that ye are mad?
But if all prophesy, and there come in one that believeth not, or one unlearned, he is convinced of all, he is judged of all:
And thus are the secrets of his heart made manifest; and so falling down on his face he will worship God, and report that God is in you of a truth.
How is it then, brethren? when ye come together, everyone of you hath a psalm, hath a doctrine, hath a tongue, hath a revelation, hath an interpretation. Let all things be done unto edifying.
If any man speak in an unknown tongue, let it be by two, or at the most by three, and that by course; and let one interpret.
But if there be no interpreter, let him keep silence in the church; and let him speak to himself, and to God.
Let the prophets speak two or three, and let the other judge.
If any thing be revealed to another that sitteth by, let the first hold his peace.
For ye may all prophesy one by one, that all may learn, and all may be comforted.
And the spirits of the prophets are subject to the prophets.
For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.

These verses are applicable to language, and as a response to your "teaching" I find verse 9; So likewise ye, except ye utter by the tongue words easy to be understood, how shall it be known what is spoken? for ye shall speak into the air." particularly apt.

The respectful translation of YHWH to My Lord, or the Lord, and the translation of the Hebrew word meaning saviour to Jesus, meaning saviour, is not the result of some conspiracy to keep us from understanding and knowing God.

I think you are in danger of making a god out of God's name.

Mary,

I do not know if your last post was addressed to me or to the author of the article I was critiquing. I will assume you were directing your comments to me. The website you provided was

remantofyhwh.com

My computer did not recognize this site. Possibly you meant the following site:

http://www.remnantofyhwh.com/

I have never seen this site before. I have contributed nothing to this site, nor taken anything from it. However, having just skimmed through it, the author has certainly done a lot of research and draws a lot of incorrect conclusions. He has studied and written with his mind, not by the Spirit of God. It appears that he is trying to say that one cannot be born again without the name he has determined is correct. He is wrong on both accounts. He has not arrived at the correct name, he says that Yahweh is God's name and the Bible does not support his conclusion. Secondly, if it were a requirement for a person to know the true name of God in order to be born again, then many saints of God are in for a shock, because very few know His name. Besides, God never made it a requirement for one to have full knowledge of Him in order to bring that one to salvation. The NT tells of a story of believers who didn't even know that there was a Holy Ghost, yet they were believers. Indwelt by Him, but didn't even know He existed! My Father is full of grace and compassion. He knew their hearts and they were saved. But He did not leave them in their ignorance, He sent a couple of apostles to teach them about the Holy Ghost. I am here to teach anyone who will listen. But if I continually find that no one is interested then I will do as Christ did. Christ left and did not many miracles there because of their unbelief. I will leave and not do much teaching here because of your obstinate heart of unbelief. I will do as Paul did, he left his blood relatives and went to the nations, because of their obstinate hearts of unbelief.

Mary, you have prophesied against yourself. You quoted: 1 Corinthians 14:21, "In the law it is written, With men of other tongues and other lips will I speak unto this people; and yet for all that will they not hear me, saith the Lord."

You also quoted, especially, 1 Corinthians 14:9, "So likewise ye, except ye utter by the tongue words easy to be understood, how shall it be known what is spoken? for ye shall speak into the air." What is it that you do not understand? Look at post #19 in this thread again, and please tell me what is hard to understand there. It has been very clearly pointed out that God considers it very important that you know His name. Rather than browse heretical websites in order to accuse a man of God, why not listen to what God has said? Why not ask for the next 8 chapters of the teaching and desire to learn more about this God, whom you cannot even identify by name. The cults know the name of their false gods, the Hindu's know the name of their god, the Buddhist know the name of their god, the Muslims know the name of their god and in his name they would like to cut your head off. Why do you not love God enough to want to know His name? I am perplexed at your hardness of heart, unless you do not belong to Him.

I do suspect an answer, however. You have been attacked repeatedly by the enemy of your soul. He has beat everyone down with an avalanche of false information and false names. Finally, you have all thrown your hands up in the air and given up. You say, "It is impossible to know the truth, we give up, the enemy is too strong, our God is too weak." Well, I beg to differ with the group think here. My Father has not deserted me, He has not left me in the dark, He has not left me in ignorance, He has never left me nor forsook me.

Zeke25

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(07-20-2010 10:43 AM)Rose of Shushan Wrote:  

Quote:Where is God's name in Exodus 3:15? I will tell you plainly - it is not there. Should it be there? Of course it should be there. It has been hidden from you. Can you find where it is supposed to be in verse 15? Once you find it then you will know what His forever name is that He wants you to know.

The word YHVH is there in the hebrew text, the Hebrew reads
Vayomer od Elohim el Moshe, koh tomar al bnei Israel YHVH elohei avoteichem elohei Abraham elohei Yitzhak elohei Yakov shlachani aleichem.

So it is there.As you well know (or should know),,the tetragrammaton isn't translated literally by many Bibles.Since we don't know the vowel points that would make for awkward transliteration too.
However you haven't addressed the point I was trying to make to you that verse 14 has ehiyeh sent me to you.What do you say about that?

Quote:Now let's insert God's name in its rightful place.
Exodus 3:15 KJV, "And God said moreover unto Moses, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, [ יהוה ] God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, hath sent me unto you: this is my name for ever, and this is my memorial unto all generations." And there it is. Right where it is supposed to be. The name that is His name forever. It has been hidden from you in two ways. One, it was translated as LORD. Two, you have been repeatedly misinformed by everyone who ever taught you that His forever name is I AM. God never said that!

Well what you've done up there is substitute the Hebrew YHVH for Lord.Big deal LOL..different Bibles have different ways of translating it as I wrote above already.
As to being misinformed on whether his name is I am , well who has misinformed us? The Hebrew has ehiyeh we can't get around that.It does not say YHVH schlachani aleichem but ehiyeh schlachani aleichem.
Are you saying someone tampered with the Hebrew?
I do wish you would quit the obfuscation and get to the points.
You wrote

Quote:Do you know that the King James translators were required to lie about God's name, and many other names? Those scholars knew what His name was and they were required to lie and not tell you. I have proof of this in my teaching.

Again the King James or other Bibles translate YHVH as they see fit but this doesn’t get us round verse 14 not having YHVH.It is not a "problem" of the King James translators but of the Hebrew text.

Rose of Shushan,

You asked, "However you haven't addressed the point I was trying to make to you that verse 14 has ehiyeh sent me to you." What do you say about that?" I understood this point you wanted to make. But you were not ready for the answer. It appears that you still are not ready, because you are a mocker: "Well what you've done up there is substitute the Hebrew YHVH for Lord. Big deal LOL." You haven't received my teaching, because in your arrogance and pride you are unteachable and have refused to ask for the rest of Part I. The evidence of one who has received the Spirit of God is that they are teachable when confronted with the truth of the Scriptures. You have not displayed that evidence. But, since I told you I would give you the answer, if you posted again, I will reluctantly do so. Here it is. BTW in the original teaching I use the transliteration of God's name, not יהוה. The reason I have not provided the transliteration at this time is that you have not been exposed to the teaching in Parts I and II.

"Are you saying someone tampered with the Hebrew? I do wish you would quit the obfuscation and get to the points." No, I am not, nor have I even hinted at the idea that the Hebrew has been tampered with.


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(07-20-2010 11:12 AM)truth pick Wrote:  I am a bit confused myself. So I went back and looked at the article. This is what the King James Verison has in it's preface - which you can find online as well:

Quote:Those who promote this conspiratorial concept might be interested to know that there is actually a translation code that was followed by the King James translators, as well as other modern translators, so that English readers can actually understand how the Hebrew is relative to the English translation, which is universal usage in most versions. It is as follows:

Elohiym is rendered as God

El is rendered as God

Elah is rendered as God

Eloah is rendered as God

Adonay is rendered as Lord

Adonay YHWH is rendered as Lord GOD

YHWH is rendered as LORD

YHWH Elohiym is rendered as LORD God

Ehyeh Asher Ehyeh as I AM WHO I AM

I don't think it was a conspiracy really Afterall, the King James version is in English

oh, and I think the reason that the article is in the Hebrew Roots section is because this is a major sacred name teaching inthat movement. My understanding for the article was to disprove the use of a specific spelling or pronunciation.

So ..... can you please show us in the OT where the Name of God is clearly stated - like how it's pronounced?

Truth Pick,

I am not sure what copy of the King James you use, or that is used online. But my KJ versions do not have these instructions in the Preface. Besides, it is a moot point. I am not interested in what they have decided to do, if what they have decided to do is not correct. As I said in another post. The KJ translators were given rules to follow in their translating that required them to sacrifice their scholarly credentials when translating names, even God's name. That rule is posted in the original KJ Bible of 1611.

I have just posted a reply to Rose of Shushan called "His Name, Part III - A Look At Exodus". You will find your answer there. But not how to pronounce it. That is in Part II. And so far, no one here is even curious about the rest of Part I. If you want to learn it and are sincere about it, then email me on the side and we can continue with the teaching there. I don't expect I will be here much longer. There are children who desire to be fed real food. So far, the participants here are only interested in junk food. I don't serve a McDonald's religion. <<<<<<XXXXXX-email removed by Vic.>>>>>>

Zeke25

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Vic,

Sorry Vic, you haven't a clue what you are talking about. Take your warnings and do what you will, I will not be condescended to.

Vic said, "So far all you have managed to do is make derogatory and false statements concerning the author of that article." Please, identify even one false statement that I have made about this author that I have not explained. A Christian site has no business posting his material. He wrote an article trying to refute an HRM stance. But in the process he has ridiculed the idea that God has a name that is worthy of knowing. It is posted on a public website. If he wants to try and trivialize God's name, that is his business, but he, nor you, should expect that to go unchallenged. Especially, when he reveals that he does not understand what has been said in Exodus 3:13-15.

"What did God say in Exodus 3:14? Oops, I can't tell you. I don't want to tax your mental capabilities. I've written too much. Not my sentiment, but the sentiment of other administrators." Vic's response: "Do not continue to demean members and readers. You say anything like this again and it will not go well at all." I made this statement tongue in cheek. Your sense of humor is wearing thin. Perhaps you are the author or closely related.

Vic said: "So far you are being proven wrong on your interpretation." So far nothing of the kind has happened. My interpretation has not even been heard. But as far as Exodus 3:13-15 goes. It is now posted, for as long as you leave it there to be read. Because it certainly doesn't appear that you will be able to bear what is written there since it refutes your favorite author.

It is not that I intend to violate your rules. But there are those that mock and feel justified in doing so, because after all I am so ignorant that I deserve it. Address their mocking in the public forum as you have mine, then I will consider that you have a balanced approach. But they have not mocked me, I do not take personal offense, they are contending with God.

I have come across many so-called Christian blogs. I haven't found one yet. I am still looking. And I will not post any further information in the HR section. Since, you identify my blogs to be from the HRM, they will not profit you anyway.

God's purpose for me posting here has been completed. I praise Him for that. But I am grieved that His reason for having me here was not for setting at least one captive free, and being able to see the results in the present.

Perhaps you have a different mission than I. But I tire quickly when involved with fast food religion. There is no nourishment at McDonald's.

Zeke25

[Mary]

Zeke,
I'm reverting to normal size text because you seem to have overcome your impairment.

As I said before, you throw around a lot of "stuff" but yet never come to the point. I like Rose's word "obfuscating".
So before you go off in a huff, shaking the dust from your feet because you say no-one wants to listen,can you please give a clear answer to this question:
what is God's name? (just the name please - if it is true, it can stand alone without any "teaching")

[Rose of Shushan]

I echo Mary's sentiments.Your post is full of all sorts of things Zeke, but you don't get to the point.

Quote:2. Exodus 3:14 KJV, "And God said unto Moses, I AM (Strong's H1961 hayah) THAT (Strong's H834 asher) I AM (Strong's H1961 hayah): and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM (Strong's H1961 hayah) hath sent me unto you." What is the meaning of the Hebrew words I AM THAT I AM? A number of lexicons and concordances give the opinions of various Hebrew scholars as to the meaning of this reference to Himself that God uses when speaking to Moses. These scholars appear to be mostly in agreement with one another, therefore, I will not quote the source, since I will give a collective answer here. I Am that I Am means the self-existing One. Some speculate that it can mean I Am the unknowable One. Also, it can mean "to be" or "to exist"; in other words, I Am the One Who is or exists.

You say " a number of lexicons and concordances give the opinions of various Hebrew scholars as to the meaning of this reference to Himself that God uses when speaking to Moses. These scholars appear to be mostly in agreement with one another, therefore, I will not quote the source, since I will give a collective answer here."
The fact that you do not give the sources shows me that you are not being open or truthful here.Who are these sources?
I haven't seen any source which says that yehieh means the self existing one.Its derived from the verb hayah which means to be.All the sources that I have seen have yehieh as I am or I will be.

Quote: Second, the command to call God by His name of יהוה is given again, just three chapters later in Exodus 6:3 KJV, "And I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, by the name of God Almighty, but by my name [ יהוה ] was I not known to them[?] At the end of Exodus 6:3 I have inserted a question mark instead of a period. It is obvious that punctuating with a period is not a modern translation. This statement by God is a rhetorical question which affirms the answer within the statement given and does not require an outside answer from the person being spoken to. Besides, in the original Hebrew, there are no punctuation marks. Obviously His name was known to his children in Genesis and prior to Exodus 6:3 for about two and one-half thousand years. Just read it. LORD and sometimes GOD, in all capitals, is the popular modern translation of God's name, rather than the correct translation of יהוה

Look, the way I see it is this.Even if, as you seem to allude to in your post, your say that God was answwering Moses in a roundabout way as to who He is, the fact remains that Ex 3:14 says yihieh sent me to you.

Zeke I myself am not saying that Iam/I will be is God's name.We see in the Scriptures many things we don't fully understand and for me it is fine.
Since you bring up Exodus 6:3 but then didn't elaborate on it, I will.There we see another name for God too El Shaddai.


Exo 6:3 And I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, by the name of God Almighty, but by my name JEHOVAH was I not known to them.

There God Almighty is in hebrew El Shaddai.
You are the one inserting a question mark into the verse.For me the verse makes sense without the questionmark since God had revealed himself as El Shaddai to the three.

Zeke it seems you cannot discuss points without resorting to belittling people and using innuendos.
I don't think you are sincere in wanting to discuss and instead just want to teach us your particular views.As Mary said you throw around a lot of stuff but don't get to the point and I don't like having to wade through a mass of sarcasm and condescension in order to attempt to understand the points you are trying to make.

[Vic]

I am going to ask that those members who have dialogue with zeke25 in post 31, just grab the dialogue directed at you and if you want to answer it that would be fine. Then if you wish to address anything else add it in after. Otherwise the responses are going to waste too much space if you simply do a reply.

[truth pick]

Quote: Truth Pick,

I am not sure what copy of the King James you use, or that is used online. But my KJ versions do not have these instructions in the Preface. Besides, it is a moot point. I am not interested in what they have decided to do, if what they have decided to do is not correct. As I said in another post. The KJ translators were given rules to follow in their translating that required them to sacrifice their scholarly credentials when translating names, even God's name. That rule is posted in the original KJ Bible of 1611.

That's kind of weird, zeke. It's a translation code The KJ is in English, so they took Hebrew letters and words and translated them into English so we could understand them. They did not "sacrifice" their scholarly credentials". When people read God and Lord/LORD in the Bible they know it refers to the Lord God Almighty, our Creator. I think you are kinda getting off the wall a bit here.

And yes, I am aware that not every KJ Bible has the translation code in the preface and I did not say that it did That the 1611 version did, is all that's necessary. People are not as dumb as you seem to think they are

Quote:I have just posted a reply to Rose of Shushan called "His Name, Part III - A Look At Exodus". You will find your answer there. But not how to pronounce it. That is in Part II. And so far, no one here is even curious about the rest of Part I. If you want to learn it and are sincere about it, then email me on the side and we can continue with the teaching there. I don't expect I will be here much longer. There are children who desire to be fed real food. So far, the participants here are only interested in junk food. I don't serve a McDonald's religion. <<<<<<XXXXXX-email removed by Vic.>>>>>>

Are you the only one with the truth? You sound very snobby to me and like a little kid who has some candy, but won't give anyone else any!!! And I think it's just rude to compare people with a "hot n now" drive thru just because they don't agree with you!

[Vic]

Quote:Sorry Vic, you haven't a clue what you are talking about. Take your warnings and do what you will, I will not be condescended to.

No one is condescending to you, but you certainly have a low regard for others and very elevated opinion of yourself and your 'knowledge' and teaching. In order to teach, one must have the ability to convey things according to the Scriptures. You claim to know the Scriptures and that we are all lacking. However, I would strongly advise you to read these Scriptures and apply them.

Rom 12:3 For I say, through the grace given unto me, to every man that is among you, not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think; but to think soberly, according as God hath dealt to every man the measure of faith.

Pro 26:12 Seest thou a man wise in his own conceit? there is more hope of a fool than of him.

Mark 7:21-23 For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders, 22. Thefts, covetousness, wickedness, deceit, lasciviousness, an evil eye, blasphemy,<<<< pride,>>>> foolishness: 23. All these evil things come from within, and defile the man.

You want to step into the lives of all these readers and members and be a teacher, a leader, someone who is to be listened to? even though there is not one thing you have said that suggests you belong to Jesus Christ?

2 Timothy 2:22-26 Flee also youthful lusts: but follow righteousness, faith, charity, peace, with them that call on the Lord out of a pure heart. 23. But foolish and unlearned questions avoid, knowing that they do gender strifes. 24. <<<And the servant of the Lord must not strive; but be gentle unto all men, apt to teach,
patient, 25. In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth; 26. And that they may recover themselves out of the snare of the devil, who are taken captive by him at his will.>>>

Tit 3:2 To speak evil of no man, to be no brawlers, but gentle, shewing all meekness unto all men.

James 3:8-18 But the tongue can no man tame; it is an unruly evil, full of deadly poison. 9. Therewith bless we God, even the Father; and therewith curse we men, which are made after the similitude of God. 10. Out of the same mouth proceedeth blessing and cursing. My brethren, these things ought not so to be. 11. Doth a fountain send forth at the same place sweet water and bitter? 12. Can the fig tree, my brethren, bear olive berries? either a vine, figs? so can no fountain both yield salt water and fresh. 13. <<<<Who is a wise man and endued with knowledge among you? let him shew out of a good conversation his works with meekness of wisdom. >>>> 14. But if ye have bitter envying and strife in your hearts, glory not, and lie not against the truth. 15. <<<This wisdom descendeth not from above, but is earthly, sensual, devilish. 16. For where envying and strife is, there is confusion and every evil work. 17. But the wisdom that is from above is first pure, then peaceable, gentle, and easy to be intreated, full of mercy and good fruits, without partiality, and without hypocrisy. 18. And the fruit of righteousness is sown in peace of them that make peace.>>>>

1Co 1:31 That, according as it is written, He that glorieth, let him glory in the Lord.

From the very first posts you falsely accused, and have treated others on this forum shamefully.

One of the first things we are called to do is try the spirits to see if they are of God. Part of that is testing to see if someone has the fruit of the Spirit and really does belong to Jesus Christ.

Galatians 5:22-26 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, 23. Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law. 24. And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts. 25. If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit. 26. Let us not be desirous of vain glory, provoking one another, envying one another.

Eph 5:9 (For the fruit of the Spirit is in all goodness and righteousness and truth;)

Luk 3:14 And the soldiers likewise demanded of him, saying, And what shall we do? And he said unto them, Do violence to no man, neither accuse any falsely; and be content with your wages.

1Pe 3:16 Having a good conscience; that, whereas they speak evil of you, as of evildoers, they may be ashamed that falsely accuse your good conversation in Christ.

You have not exhibited the fruit of the Spirit in one post. Yet you think someone should actually want to listen to your "teaching". Teaching which does not even come close to pointing to Jesus Christ.

Quote:Vic said, "So far all you have managed to do is make derogatory and false statements concerning the author of that article." Please, identify even one false statement that I have made about this author that I have not explained. A Christian site has no business posting his material. He wrote an article trying to refute an HRM stance. But in the
process he has ridiculed the idea that God has a name that is worthy of knowing. It is posted on a public website. If he wants to try and trivialize God's name, that is his business, but he, nor you, should expect that to go unchallenged. Especially, when he reveals that he does not understand what has been said in Exodus 3:13-15.

"What did God say in Exodus 3:14? Oops, I can't tell you. I don't want to tax your mental capabilities. I've written too much. Not my sentiment, but the sentiment of other administrators." Vic's response: "Do not continue to demean members and readers. You say anything like this again and it will not go well at all." I made this statement tongue in cheek. Your sense of humor is wearing thin. Perhaps you are the author or closely related.

I told you when you emailed me that I did not write that article. You have been told on here that I did not write that article. I told you it was a letter to my website. Nor did any of my relatives write it. You have again falsely accused and basically are tale bearing and making things up because you do not want to accept that you are
WRONG. You are also accusing me of lying to you about it. You need to take a step back and consider carefully the following verses.

Psa 31:18 Let the lying lips be put to silence; which speak grievous things proudly and contemptuously against the righteous.

Pro 10:17 He is in the way of life that keepeth instruction: but he that refuseth reproof erreth.
Pro 10:18 He that hideth hatred with lying lips, and he that uttereth a slander, is a fool.

Pro 12:22 Lying lips are abomination to the LORD: but they that deal truly are his delight.

Since you want to be known as well versed > Exo 20:16 Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour.

Proverbs 6:16-19 These six things doth the LORD hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto him: 17. A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood, 18. An heart that deviseth wicked imaginations, feet that be swift in running to mischief, 19. A false witness that speaketh lies, and he that soweth discord among brethren.

Exo 23:1 Thou shalt not raise a false report: put not thine hand with the wicked to be an unrighteous witness.

Pro 12:17 He that speaketh truth sheweth forth righteousness: but a false witness deceit.

Pro 14:5 A faithful witness will not lie: but a false witness will utter lies.

Pro 25:18 A man that beareth false witness against his neighbour is a maul, and a sword, and a sharp arrow.

Your credibility is being weighed to the Scriptures, as we are called to do. So far you are found incredibly wanting.

1Jn 4:1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.

Quote:Vic said: "So far you are being proven wrong on your interpretation." So far nothing of the kind has happened. My interpretation has not even been heard. But as far as Exodus 3:13-15 goes. It is now posted, for as long as you leave it there to be read. Because it certainly doesn't appear that you will be able to bear what is written there since it refutes your favorite author.

I heavily research things Rick and if you had bothered to check things out you would know that I just don't accept something because someone says it. You are your own worst enemy. Your attitude, contempt for others, and total arrogance is for all to see. You can't miss it. You refuse to answer simple questions and thereby even begin to open a dialogue. You are the blind man trying to have people follow you into the ditch.

I researched you Rick, and noticed on other forums you have posted on, font size didn't even make it to the posts. It wasn't an issue unless you wanted to bring huge attention to what you were spouting. You were asked here what the Name of God is---such a simple question since your whole time has been spent spewing we must know the Name and of course you choose to use the term tetragrammaton. Christians don't think with that term by the way. Hebrews roots, sacred name etc do.

So since you won't answer what you have decided the Name is for God, I will post what you post on other forums. "

"Yahowah" and "Yahoshua".

Your scholarship in Hebrew is pretty much on the bottom. You are no different in your attempt at making up the names than the above listed groups. And you are just as wrong. And of course the article which you have hated and despised and made false accusation about concerning the author's ability first as a scholar and accuracy in detail, totally proves you wrong. And I know for a fact that author has the language skills and also conferred with those linguistics scholars who proofed the article.

YOU see, in trying the spirits we try to make sure that what we present is accurate. You want everyone to just say, hey Zeke25 is here and we better all listen to him. That isn't even Scriptural Rick. You have not even proven you know Jesus Christ as Savior and Lord. And that for me, is where a dialogue really begins. And your attitude proves you have nothing to give anyone until you deal with your attitude and these other issues.

Quote:It is not that I intend to violate your rules. But there are those that mock and feel justified in doing so, because after all I am so ignorant that I deserve it. Address their mocking in the public forum as you have mine, then I will consider that you have a balanced approach. But they have not mocked me, I do not take personal offense, they are
contending with God.

Yes you did intend to violate the rules. And you did. It was your choice to show total lack of respect for others from the get go. It was your choice to post the articles in, when you were told not to. It was your choice to call me a liar and falsely accuse me as well as the author of that article. Those were all your choices. No one made you do it. NO one was mocking you or calling you ignorant. You on the other hand did just those things to all who happened to try to dialogue with you. Key word--talk. Interact.

Quote:I have come across many so-called Christian blogs. I haven't found one yet. I am still looking. And I will not post any further information in the HR section. Since, you identify my blogs to be from the HRM, they will not profit you anyway.

This is not a blog. It is a discussion forum. It is not here for people to spam their articles. It is here for people to edify and encourage one another in the Lord. Keeping looking, but I suspect with your attitude and lack of grace, you will never find fellowship with other Christians. You have to first think they are worth more than stepping on and treating like worthless fodder.

Quote:God's purpose for me posting here has been completed. I praise Him for that. But I am grieved that His reason for having me here was not for setting at least one captive free, and being able to see the results in the present. Perhaps you have a different mission than I. But I tire quickly when involved with fast food religion. There is no nourishment at McDonald's.

I don't believe you were brought here to teach anyone. I think you were brought here to have a wakeup call. You cannot expect anyone to hear anything you have to say, unless you change your attitude and behavior and focus on Jesus Christ. And you need to be willing to hear that the names you have chosen are not in the Hebrew. Solid scholarship would show you that. But you reject that as false.

If it mattered to you Rick, I have never accepted fast food religion and have written about it quite extensively. Get over yourself Rick and turn to Christ because right now, you appear to be on a path of hurt.

Proverbs 14:14-15 The backslider in heart shall be filled with his own ways: and a good man shall be satisfied from himself. 15. The simple believeth every word: but the prudent man looketh well to his going.

Eph 4:14 That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive;
Eph 4:15 But speaking the truth in love, may grow up into him in all things, which is the head, even Christ:

[Mary]

Thank you Vic.

[TheWatchman]

Man...I've never seen so many Hebrew scholars in my life! I've come to the right place...NOT! These moderators blast anyone who remotely sounds like Michael Rood...all the while doing exactly what they accuse him of doing...teaching falsely! Nobody seems to care about the 9th commandment any more. Sad! To be a part of this rat hole is to give the world ammunition for blaspheming the scriptures. Christianity is dead! Too many religious man made doctrines that fight each other, showing the world that Christianity's God is confusion in action. A bunch of wild as*es!

I can't believe I wasted a whole day on this false teaching website! You people better look over your shoulder! The enemy is right behind you...and for good reason!

[Vic]

(08-18-2010 06:45 PM)TheWatchman Wrote:  Man...I've never seen so many Hebrew scholars in my life! I've come to the right place...NOT! These moderators blast anyone who remotely sounds like Michael Rood...all the while doing exactly what they accuse him of doing...teaching falsely! Nobody seems to care about the 9th commandment any more. Sad! To be a part of this rat hole is to give the world ammunition for blaspheming the scriptures. Christianity is dead! Too many religious man made doctrines that fight each other, showing the world that Christianity's God is confusion in action. A bunch of wild as*es!

I can't believe I wasted a whole day on this false teaching website! You people better look over your shoulder! The enemy is right behind you...and for good reason!

Well Now Tom, it appears your love for others and grace are clearly lacking. Not really a surprise. However, we will not delete this post but rather allow it to stand to show your behavior towards others.

You think we are a rat hole and false teaching. And you think the enemy is right behind us? Far better to have the enemy trailing than to be in bed with him. Far better to be walking with Jesus Christ than in step with the devil.

You think Michael Rood is a Hebrew scholar? And people that actually are fluent, aren't? Well that fits with the mentality of those who follow Rood.

Since you are unable to dialogue and discuss, it's probably best that you just run along now. Michael Rood's teachings have been refuted extensively. You saying it isn't so, doesn't change the facts. When you, or if, you get over your infatuation with Rood and all the false rhetoric, and return to the Truth of Jesus Christ and the Scriptures---without Rood, you might be able to pull yourself out of that downward spiral you are in.

I know, I am wrong. But I think if you actually wanted the facts and the Scriptures you wouldn't be running away from here. And if you actually cared about others, you would take a totally different attitude and tone and wouldn't be swearing. False accusations towards us does not somehow make the accusations true. The Scriptures are our standard and perhaps you need a reminder of what they actually say versus what Rood tells you they say.

2 Timothy 2:24-26 And the servant of the Lord must not strive; but be gentle unto all men, apt to teach, patient, 25. In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth; 26. And that they may recover themselves out of the snare of the devil, who are taken captive by him at his will.

James 3:12-18 Can the fig tree, my brethren, bear olive berries? either a vine, figs? so can no fountain both yield salt water and fresh. 13. Who is a wise man and endued with knowledge among you? let him shew out of a good conversation his works with meekness of wisdom. 14. But if ye have bitter envying and strife in your hearts, glory not, and lie not against the truth. 15. This wisdom descendeth not from above, but is earthly, sensual, devilish. 16. For where envying and strife is, there is confusion and every evil work. 17. But the wisdom that is from above is first pure, then peaceable, gentle, and easy to be intreated, full of mercy and good fruits, without partiality, and without hypocrisy. 18. And the fruit of righteousness is sown in peace of them that make peace.

[YYZ Skinhead]

Yahweh/Jahweh is the name of a false god, Saturn (aka Cronus). Look up both names Jahweh and Saturn on Google and in addition to it asking "did you mean yahweh saturn?" you will get a whole lot of references to Pagan Orphism and the Orphite name Jahweh for Saturn. At least one article on this site http://www.seekgod.ca/number.htm shows the same thing.

Occultists are the main ones who refer to the sequence יהוה as "The Tetragrammaton". Witches and New Agers call it that. Kabbalists and Theosophists call it that. This scary individual http://yhwh.com/asimple.htm calls it that. The illustration below is from Wikipedia's article on satanic Ritual Magician Eliphas Levi, who drew the most widely reproduced Baphomet symbol. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eliphas_Levi