What's the True Name of God?

[Ne'arYah]

The only way you can get a "yeh" is if you put a Sheba in the beginning.

All root words have an "ah" sound.

If you're correct then I'm curious as to how you would spell the Father's name... Is it Yehweh, or Yahweh? The Yah is the correct form.

I'm sure you've heard the term Adaoni before? Well that term was used to cover-up the sacred name of the Father. The "YEH" you reference was done for the same reason. The Talmud actually admits to making this change to cover-up the Father's name. Sadly, most of the world has followed their example along with the modern day Yiddish.

Shabbat Shalom to all of you. I'm out

[Rose of Shushan]

Quote:The only way you can get a "yeh" is if you put a Sheba in the beginning.

It does have a sheva at the beginning :D
This is funny since by that reasoning your sheba should be a shaba LOL.. the word sheva is spelt with the same vowel point as the one used in yehudah
שְׁוָא

[Vic]

(04-22-2011 03:53 PM)NearYah Wrote:  ....I'm sure you've heard the term Adaoni before? Well that term was used to cover-up the sacred name of the Father. The "YEH" you reference was done for the same reason. The Talmud actually admits to making this change to cover-up the Father's name. .

Ne'aryah, I think this is a case of the 'sacred name/hebrew roots syndrome'. I mentioned it before. The facts are there, staring you in the face and all you want to do is close your eyes, plug your ears and go lalalala so none of the real facts get absorbed. And then you want to 'teach us'.

You appear to have missed how many times I just posted to you about the very issue of protecting the misuse of God's Name and why it was done.

Allow me to post for you again, and please, try to actually read and absorb what is being said in the provable information.

From post #73,

From another scholar, converted Jew and Masoretic scholar, Christian Ginsburg, undertook a detailed study of the Masoretic text. He traced the pedigree of the Scriptures and noted how the Jewish guardians protectd the Hebrew text by taking safeguards in order to make sure the Tetragrammaton was not accidentally pronounced at the wrong time or by the wrong people or in the wrong place . There were strict rules under which the Name was to be pronounced, and it was considered the greatest heresy to violate them. Contrary to the idea that the Name of God was not known, it was specifically and regularly used in the Temple and services but was not used outside of that arena. Instead Adonai was used. According to Ginsburg:

"There are, however, a number of compound names in the Bible into the composition of which three out of the four letters of the Incommunicable Name have entered. Moreover, these letters which begin the names in question are actually pointed Jeho, as the Tetragrammaton itself and hence in a pause at the reading of the first part of the name it sounded as if the reader was pronouncing the Ineffable Name. To guard against it an attempt was made by a certain school of redactors of the text to omit the letter He so that the first part of the names in question has been altered from Jeho into Jo ." [Christian Ginsburg, Introduction To the Massoretico-Critical Edition Of The Hebrew Bible, p 369]

Ginsburg used many examples, showing the names, which appear both with and without the He , and which both versions can be found within the Scriptures. Such as: JEHOshaphat > JOshaphat ; JEHOram> JOram ; JEHOhanan > JOhanan ; JEHOseph > JOseph etc.

The first two syllables in those names was pronounced the same way the Name was pronounced, which is why they undertook the task of trying to shorten the theophoric names in the first place. If the Jews responsible for protecting the Hebrew Scriptures did not consider Jehovah to be the correct pronunciation for the 'Ineffable Name", it would have been a total waste of time to have tried to protect it's wrong use in this way.

[Vic]

(04-22-2011 03:53 PM)NearYah Wrote:  If you're correct then I'm curious as to how you would spell the Father's name... Is it Yehweh, or Yahweh? The Yah is the correct form.

Ne'aryah, none of the above. You totally ignored what was given to you.

From post #73 >

From Strong's

H3068
יהוה
yehôvâh
yeh-ho-vaw'
From H1961; (the) self Existent or eternal; Jehovah, Jewish national name of God: - Jehovah, the Lord. Compare H3050, H3069.

The Old Testament Hebrew Lexicon

http://www.studylight.org/lex/heb/view.cgi?number=03070

Strong's Number: 3070 hry hwhy
Original Word Word Origin
hry hwhy from (03068) and (07200) Transliterated Word Phonetic Spelling
Y@hovah yireh yeh-ho-vaw' yir-eh'
Parts of Speech TWOT
Proper Name
Location None
Definition
Jehovah-jireh = "Jehovah sees"
1. symbolic name given by Abraham to Mount Moriah in commemoration of the interposition of the angel of Jehovah who prevented the sacrifice of Isaac and provided a substitute
Translated Words
KJV (1) - Jehovahjireh, 1;

Psa 68:4 SingH7891 unto God,H430 sing praisesH2167 to his name:H8034 extolH5549 him that ridethH7392 upon the heavensH6160 by his nameH8034 JAH,H3050 and rejoiceH5937 beforeH6440 him. [/b]

BDB H3050
יהּ
yâhh
BDB Definition:
1) Jah (Jehovah in the shortened form)
1a) the proper name of the one true God
1b) used in many compounds
1b1) names beginning with the letters ‘Je’
1b2) names ending with ‘iah’ or ‘jah’
Part of Speech: noun proper deity

The Old Testament Hebrew Lexicon http://www.studylight.org/lex/heb/view.cgi?number=03050

Strong's Number: 3050 hhy
Original Word Word Origin
hhy
Word Origin
contraction for (03068), and meaning the same
Transliterated Word Phonetic Spelling
Yahh yaw
Parts of Speech TWOT
Proper Name 484b
Definition
1. Jah (Jehovah in the shortened form)
a)the proper name of the one true God
b) used in many compounds
1.names beginning with the letters 'Je'
2.names ending with 'iah' or 'jah'

Translated Words
KJV (49) - JAH, 1; LORD, 48;
NAS (50) - GOD, 1; LORD, 49;

The Old Testament Hebrew Lexicon http://www.studylight.org/lex/heb/view.cgi?number=03068

Strong's Number: 3068 hwhy
Original Word Word Origin
hwhy from (01961)
Transliterated Word Phonetic Spelling
Y@hovah yeh-ho-vaw'
Parts of Speech TWOT
Proper Name 484a
Definition
Jehovah = "the existing One"
1. the proper name of the one true God
a)unpronounced except with the vowel pointings of 0136

Translated Words
KJV (6519) - GOD, 4; JEHOVAH, 4; LORD, 6510; variant, 1;
NAS (6824) - GOD, 314; LORD, 6399; LORD'S, 111

Just as was clearly explained previously, in post 61, 67 and many posts before that, but you have to actually want the truth and you actually have to read things.

Strong's does not have yah as a prefix. Again from that article:

Quote:
...proper names with the theophoric element of Yah or Yahu incorporated, use it as a suffix or ending, and not as a prefix. The common theophoric prefixes that are found in the Hebrew texts are Yeho, and the truncated form Yo. There are many Biblical Hebrew names that demonstrate these two prefixes. For example, from Strong's Concordance:

Yehownathan (H3083), Yonathan (H3129), Yehowceph (H3084), Yoseph (H3130), Yehowshua (H3091).

...Below are some of the various pronunciations, if read as written, that are found in the Leningrad Codex. This codex is from the Ben Asher family of texts, that are referenced in the OT translation of many of our modern versions, and is dated approximately 1008 ce:
YeHWaH ~ Jeremiah 3:25
YHoWaH ~ Genesis 18:17
YeHoWaH ~ Genesis 3:14
YHWiH ~ Psalms 68:21
YeHWiH ~ Genesis 15:2, 8
YeHoWiH ~ 1 Kings 2:26 , Judges 16:28
YaHWaH ~ Psalms 144:15

You can verify the above vocalizations found in the Leningrad Codex by clicking here. > http://www.tanach.us/Tanach.xml

Some of these can also be viewed in the Aleppo Codex, which is also from the Ben Asher family of texts dated approximately 980 ce, and can be found here. > http://www.aleppocodex.org/

It should be noted, that in the later Ben Chayyim texts which the OT portion of the KJV and other reformation Bibles are based on, that YHWH is pointed as Yehowah in the majority of cases that it appears in the Hebrew text (approx 6500 times). It is pointed as Yehowih on a minor number of occasions (approx 300 times), when the title Elohiym follows YHWH in the text.

And from post # 75

*****Ne'aryah, WHY IT CAN"T BE YAH, based on the Hebrew language****

Quote:
...In order for YAHshua to be an actual name in Hebrew, it would need to be spelled in Hebrew as Yod-Hey-Shin-Vav-Ayin. Unfortunately for it's supporters, this name can not be found anywhere in the Hebrew Scriptures. What you will find in the Hebrew Scriptures is Yehoshua (H3091) which is written in the Hebrew as Yod-Hey-Vav-Shin-Ayin or Yod-Hey-Vav-Shin-Vav-Ayin, or the shortened form Yeshua (H3442-H3443) which is written in the Hebrew as Yod-Shin-Vav-Ayin.

The main obstacles in trying to render His name as YAHshua instead of Yeshua, is created by the fact that there is no Hebrew letter "hey" in Yeshua, and also by the Masoretic vowel pointings or nikud. The tsere that is under the Yod in "Yeshua" in the Hebrew scriptures demonstrates the vocalization of the first syllable as "yay," and not "YAH." This is also true of the Greek vowel eta, which is pronounced "Yay", and is found in the transliterated Greek rendering of Yeshua which is Iesous. Many use Y'shua thinking that it is a shortened version of YAHshua, when in fact, Yshua would represent a truncated version of the long form Yehoshua with the theophoric element "Yeho" removed. This shortening occurred with many names that possessed the theophoric element of the Name of the Almighty during the second temple period.

Another example would be Yehowseph shortened to Yoseph. Biblical names such as Yehonatan (Jonathan), Yehoyaqim (Jehoiakim), Yehoshafat (Jehoshaphat), Yehoram (Jehoram), and Yehoshua (Joshua), all have the shva under the yod signifying the "Yeh" vocalization, but the later shortened version of Yehoshua (Yeshua) does not.

Some 'teachers' have promoted in their videos and books, that the Messiah's Name is YAHshua, and that it means "Yahweh is our salvation". If we review the meanings of the correct scriptural names, we find that the long form of Yehoshua would translate as "YHVH is salvation" or "He who is (or will be) saves". I am not sure where the 'our' could possibly come from in their constructed name of YAHshua. Some of these same teachers have stated that they do not like to use the name Yeshua, because it only means "salvation". This needs to be clarified, as it is an incorrect statement. Yeshuah (H3444) written Yod-Shin-Vav-Ayin-Hey, is a feminine noun that means "salvation". Yeshua (H3442) written Yod-Shin-Vav-Ayin, is a masculine noun that means "He is salvation" or "He saves." It is the name that refers to Joshua in the TeNaKh (OT), and is the shortened form of Yehoshua which the name Jesus was derived from. In scripture we find in Matthew 1:21 "for He will save His people from their sins"

If someone firmly believes that the manufactured rendering of YAHshua is a scriptural name, then I would recommend that they check it out for themselves in the Hebrew texts. Creating one's own language concepts while ignoring the rules that govern transliteration and vocalization, and then applying them to other languages to aid in the formation of a Hebrew sounding name does not demonstrate sound or acceptable scholarship. It appears according to the above explanation that "YAHshua" is a manufactured name that has been assembled using faulty scholarship in an effort to support a theological agenda.

For more please see http://www.seekgod.ca/htwhatsinaname.htm

[YYZ Skinhead]

Aren't names like Yehuda and Yehudi still used by Israelis and some non-Israeli Jews? E.g. Yehudi Menuhin the violinist. People with those names begin them with a "Yeh" sound, not "Yah".

[Vic]

(04-22-2011 06:28 PM)YYZ Skinhead Wrote:  Aren't names like Yehuda and Yehudi still used by Israelis and some non-Israeli Jews? E.g. Yehudi Menuhin the violinist. People with those names begin them with a "Yeh" sound, not "Yah".

Exactly YYZ!!!!!
Someone got it!





I think I just overreacted.

[YYZ Skinhead]

(04-22-2011 06:47 PM)Vic Wrote:  

(04-22-2011 06:28 PM)YYZ Skinhead Wrote:  Aren't names like Yehuda and Yehudi still used by Israelis and some non-Israeli Jews? E.g. Yehudi Menuhin the violinist. People with those names begin them with a "Yeh" sound, not "Yah".

Exactly YYZ!!!!!
Someone got it!





I think I just overreacted.

Well, that was my big horse laugh for the day.

[Mo MHuintir]

I hate to jump in (without reading more) and comment on something that has probably been covered extensively, but the issue about the vowel points has been going on for centuries. A great Christian Bible scholar by the name of Peter Whitfield speculated in his writings (in 1748) that the vowels have always existed in written form, since the Torah was given to Moses. But just like today, the leadership of Israel hid the pronounciation of the name. Bible scholars today know that Orthodox Jews will not pronounce the name, saying instead HaShem, Adonai, or Elohim. The State of Israel lists the official name of God as Yehovah, which is an accurate rendering based on the Masoretic vowel points. But since we know that the Jews won't say it outloud, and have actively hidden it for thousands of years (based on their own admission), why would anyone believe that the vowel points placed under YHWH are the true ones. Why think the Creators name (or any theophoric derivative) begins with a Yah, Ye, or a Yo? Wouldn't that defeat the purpose of hiding it, if they went ahead and recorded the correct pointing?
The Hebrew scribes testify against themselves by recording these words in Jeremiah 8:8;
How can you say, 'We are wise,
And the law (Torah) of the Lord is with us'?
Look, the false pen of the scribe certainly works falsehood.
NKJV

[Rose of Shushan]

Jer 8:8 How do ye say, We are wise, and the law of the LORD is with us? Lo, certainly in vain made he it; the pen of the scribes is in vain.
Jer 8:9 The wise men are ashamed, they are dismayed and taken: lo, they have rejected the word of the LORD; and what wisdom is in them?


I prefer the KJV version since I think it makes clearer what the prophet was saying
I read it as the people having ignored the word of God so the words written by the scribes are in vain since the people were not heeding it.

[Vic]

(04-22-2011 08:29 PM)Mo MHuintir Wrote:  I hate to jump in (without reading more) and comment on something that has probably been covered extensively, .. A great Christian Bible scholar by the name of Peter Whitfield speculated in his writings (in 1748) that the vowels have always existed in written form, since the Torah was given to Moses. But just like today, the leadership of Israel hid the pronounciation of the name. Bible scholars today know that Orthodox Jews will not pronounce the name, saying instead HaShem, Adonai, or Elohim. The State of Israel lists the official name of God as Yehovah, which is an accurate rendering based on the Masoretic vowel points. But since we know that the Jews won't say it outloud, and have actively hidden it for thousands of years (based on their own admission), why would anyone believe that the vowel points placed under YHWH are the true ones. Why think the Creators name (or any theophoric derivative) begins with a Yah, Ye, or a Yo? Wouldn't that defeat the purpose of hiding it, if they went ahead and recorded the correct pointing?
The Hebrew scribes testify against themselves by recording these words in Jeremiah 8:8;
How can you say, 'We are wise,
And the law (Torah) of the Lord is with us'?
Look, the false pen of the scribe certainly works falsehood.
NKJV

Ahh, the lying scribes argument. Yes this stuff has been extensively covered. And if you read the prior posts, you will see that the Name was said in the Temple, but it was protected from wrong use outside the Temple.

Regarding the lying scribes issue..... I will post in from the HR FAQS and MYTHS... > http://www.seekgod.ca/hr/hrfaqs9a2.htm#lxx

>>>.....As far as the assertion that the LXX is more accurate than the supposedly “intentionally corrupted” Masoretic text family, and is closer to the Hebrew Dead Sea Scroll manuscripts found at Qumran, it is easy to disprove.

Emmanuel Tov, who is a not only recognized as a pre-eminent Dead Sea Scrolls scholar, but also highly recognized as an authority on the LXX, has put together a parallel aligned LXX/Masoretic text program that is recognized and utilized by textual scholars worldwide. Mr Tov reviewed all of the manuscripts found at Qumran, and did a textual comparison and recorded his results. They are as follows:

There were forty six books of Torah related manuscripts, which were used for this particular comparison. Of the forty six, twenty four (52%) were aligned with the Masoretic textual family. Seventeen of the forty six (37%) did not align to the MT, the LXX, or the Samaritan Torah. Three manuscripts (6.5%) were aligned to the Samaritan Torah, and a mere two manuscripts (4.5%) aligned with the LXX.

Many attempt to use Jeremiah 8:8 as the 'proof' of this accusation, while also stating that someone was hired to rewrite everything by 100 AD to overturn the messianic claims of Jesus found in the LXX, and the corrupt Masoretic texts are claimed to be based on those alleged writings. Here's Jeremiah 8:8:

Jeremiah 8:8 How do ye say, We are wise, and the law of the LORD is with us? Lo, certainly in vain made he it; the pen of the scribes is in vain.

However the context isn't about them writing the Word of God, but merely promoting their own vanities and prophets were giving false prophesies and claiming them to be of God.

Jeremiah 23:30-32 Therefore, behold, I am against the prophets, saith the LORD, that steal my words every one from his neighbour. 31. Behold, I am against the prophets, saith the LORD, that use their tongues, and say, He saith. 32. Behold, I am against them that prophesy false dreams, saith the LORD, and do tell them, and cause my people to err by their lies, and by their lightness; yet I sent them not, nor commanded them: therefore they shall not profit this people at all, saith the LORD.

Jeremiah 23:34-36 And as for the prophet, and the priest, and the people, that shall say, The burden of the LORD, I will even punish that man and his house. 35. Thus shall ye say every one to his neighbour, and every one to his brother, What hath the LORD answered? and, What hath the LORD spoken? 36. And the burden of the LORD shall ye mention no more: for every man's word shall be his burden; for ye have perverted the words of the living God, of the LORD of hosts our God

The book of Jeremiah was about Judah going after idols and Baal and not keeping God's commandments. If we go back to chapter 7 we see God calling His people back to obedience to Him and the realities of their disobedience and the coming consequences. Let's go back to chapter 7 and see what is happening:

Jeremiah 7:1-3 The word that came to Jeremiah from the LORD, saying, 2. Stand in the gate of the LORD'S house, and proclaim there this word, and say, Hear the word of the LORD, all ye of Judah, that enter in at these gates to worship the LORD. 3. Thus saith the LORD of hosts, the God of Israel, Amend your ways and your doings, and I will cause you to dwell in this place.

4 Trust ye not in lying words, saying, The temple of the LORD, The temple of the LORD, The temple of the LORD, are these. 5. For if ye throughly amend your ways and your doings; if ye throughly execute judgment between a man and his neighbour;...

9 Will ye steal, murder, and commit adultery, and swear falsely, and burn incense unto Baal, and walk after other gods whom ye know not; 10. And come and stand before me in this house, which is called by my name, and say, We are delivered to do all these abominations? 11. Is this house, which is called by my name, become a den of robbers in your eyes? Behold, even I have seen it, saith the LORD.

7:23 But this thing commanded I them, saying, Obey my voice, and I will be your God, and ye shall be my people: and walk ye in all the ways that I have commanded you, that it may be well unto you.

7:26-28 Yet they hearkened not unto me, nor inclined their ear, but hardened their neck: they did worse than their fathers. ... 28. But thou shalt say unto them, This is a nation that obeyeth not the voice of the LORD their God, nor receiveth correction: truth is perished, and is cut off from their mouth.

7:30 For the children of Judah have done evil in my sight, saith the LORD: they have set their abominations in the house which is called by my name, to pollute it.

Jeremiah 8:3 And death shall be chosen rather than life by all the residue of them that remain of this evil family, which remain in all the places whither I have driven them, saith the LORD of hosts. 4 Moreover thou shalt say unto them, Thus saith the LORD; Shall they fall, and not arise? shall he turn away, and not return? 5 Why then is this people of Jerusalem slidden back by a perpetual backsliding? they hold fast deceit, they refuse to return.

Jeremiah 8:6 I hearkened and heard, but they spake not aright: no man repented him of his wickedness, saying, What have I done? [/b]every one turned to his course, as the horse rusheth into the battle 7 Yea, the stork in the heaven knoweth her appointed times; and the turtle and the crane and the swallow observe the time of their coming; but my people know not the judgment of the LORD.

8. How do ye say, We are wise, and the law of the LORD is with us? Lo, certainly in vain made he it; the pen of the scribes is in vain.

9. The wise men are ashamed, they are dismayed and taken: lo, they have rejected the word of the LORD; and what wisdom is in them? 10. Therefore will I give their wives unto others, and their fields to them that shall inherit them: for every one from the least even unto the greatest is given to covetousness, from the prophet even unto the priest every one dealeth falsely. 11. For they have healed the hurt of the daughter of my people slightly, saying, Peace, peace; when there is no peace.

Jeremiah 9:13 And the LORD saith, Because they have forsaken my law which I set before them, and have not obeyed my voice, neither walked therein;

Jeremiah 9:14 But have walked after the imagination of their own heart, and after Baalim, which their fathers taught them:

Verse 8:7 points out that the people do not know the requirements of the Lord, not that they do not have them. Even when the scribes were copying the books of the Law and the Prophets available at that time, (about 600 + BC) it meant nothing to them--it was vanity. They didn't need to change anything, just as people today don't need to actually change the Word of God, although many do, they merely have to interpret it incorrectly or ignore it. The scribe, teachers, and prophets were claiming everything was good with what they were doing according to the Law, when in fact it was all lies to the people. And Jeremiah verses 8:9 shows they were rejecting the word of the Lord and applying it falsely, not corrupting/rewriting the actual text.

If the messianic prophecies had all been changed then Jeremiah would not contain any...

Jeremiah 23:1-6 Woe be unto the pastors that destroy and scatter the sheep of my pasture! saith the LORD. 2. Therefore thus saith the LORD God of Israel against the pastors that feed my people; Ye have scattered my flock, and driven them away, and have not visited them: behold, I will visit upon you the evil of your doings, saith the LORD. 3. And I will gather the remnant of my flock out of all countries whither I have driven them, and will bring them again to their folds; and they shall be fruitful and increase. 4. And I will set up shepherds over them which shall feed them: and they shall fear no more, nor be dismayed, neither shall they be lacking, saith the LORD. 5.Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will raise unto David a righteous Branch, and a King shall reign and prosper, and shall execute judgment and justice in the earth. 6. In his days Judah shall be saved, and Israel shall dwell safely: and this is his name whereby he shall be called, THE LORD OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS.

If we look closely at what is being said in Jeremiah 8:8, we note this:.

Jeremiah 8:8 How do ye say, We are wise, and the law of the LORD is with us? Lo, certainly in vain made he it; the pen of the scribes is in vain(KJV)

Jeremiah 8:8 showing Strong's Hebrew numbers:

HowH349 do ye say,H559 WeH587 are wise,H2450 and the lawH8451 of the LORDH3068 is withH854 us? Lo,H2009 certainlyH403 in vainH8267 madeH6213 he it; the penH5842 of the scribesH5608 is in vain.H8267

From the Jewish Publication Society Bible of 1917, meaning the OT:

Jeremiah 8:8 How do ye say: 'We are wise, and the Law of the LORD is with us'? Lo, certainly in vain hath wrought the vain pen of the scribes. (JPS 1917 electronic version)

8 How do ye say: 'We are wise, and the Law of HaShem is with us'? Lo, certainly in vain hath wrought the vain pen of the scribes. (JPS 1917-hareidi.org)

Eichah tomru chachamim anachnu v'torot YHVH itanu ;achen hineh lasheker asah, et sheker sofrim

This seems to imply that the false application and teaching of the Law by the scribes were making the Law vain .The Hebrew word lasheker in Strong's concordance means it can be a lie, vanity, sham.

Proverbs 30:5-6 Every word of God is pure: he is a shield unto them that put their trust in him. 6. Add thou not unto his words, lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar.

The scribes were responsible for teaching the Law and its spiritual application. By the misapplication and wrong teaching they were making the law vain, a sham or a lie. Jesus accused the scribes of the same thing in the New Testament.

Matthew 23:13 But woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye shut up the kingdom of heaven against men: for ye neither go in yourselves, neither suffer ye them that are entering to go in.

Matthew 15:3 But he answered and said unto them, Why do ye also transgress the commandment of God by your tradition?
4 For God commanded, saying, Honour thy father and mother: and, He that curseth father or mother, let him die the death.
5 But ye say, Whosoever shall say to his father or his mother, It is a gift, by whatsoever thou mightest be profited by me;
6 And honour not his father or his mother, he shall be free. Thus have ye made the commandment of God of none effect by your tradition.

Matthew 15:9 But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.

Thanks to Jesus himself we know that the Bible we have with us today is true and to be trusted. He said that he did not come to abolish the Law or Prophets but to fulfill them, so we know that the prophets' writings as were available in the time of Jesus, and before, were true and authentic. Otherwise Jesus would have brought out that point. Instead He affirms their witness and states that He himself is the fulfillment of what they pointed to.

Matthew 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
Luke 24:44 And he said unto them, These are the words which I spoke unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me.

2 Peter 1:19-21 We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts: 20. Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation. 21. For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.

We also know that the New Testament, which encompassed the writings concerning Christ and what the New Covenant entails is also viewed as Scripture inspired by God and protected...."