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(04-24-2011 05:08 PM)NearYah Wrote: [Now that I’ve addressed everything in the covenant thread, I’d like to dig into this topic a little deeper. However, you seem to have your mind made-up on what the name is so I don’t want to be the one doing most of the talking. I’ll let that be done by you to defend your ground. Trust me, this does not mean I will be silent on the issue. Let me first offend Mr. Ginsburg study by saying this to you. The man you’re learning from isn’t an Yisra’elite. We should stop right there and not assume what he says to be 100% accurate. I think Josepheus taught us a good lesson in that. So let’s carefully asses the information you’ve provided. But before we get into this I want to point to one small thing. I have never been a member of a sacred name crowd, so if they are affecting me it is indirectly through truth. The sacred name movement has nothing to do with Holman ChristianStudy Bible, which tells us his name is Yahweh, which is short for Yah.

Quote:Psalm 68:4 (Holman Christian Standard Bible)
4 Sing to God! Sing praises to His name.
Exalt Him who rides on the clouds [a] —
His name is Yahweh —and rejoice before Him. (A)
Footnotes:
a. Psalm 68:4 Or rides through the desert
b. Psalm 68:4 Lit Yah
So let’s revisit that point using strong’s concordance, which I’m not a fan of by the way, but I’ll stick with it because it seems to be something you rely on heavily. You said that Yah is short-hand for Jehovah according to this Ginsburg and strong’s. Why the switch-up of the Jah to Jeh or Yah to Yeh?

Strongs word # 3050
1) Jah (Jehovah in the shortened form)

Actually Nearyah, I don't have to prove anything beyond that scholarship, provable facts and Scripture. It is you that has failed to prove anything, other than present an opinion which you expect to be taken as gospel so to speak. Holman Christian Bible is now your proof of paleo hebrew being the actual hebrew aka the actual true scriptures or source for the name? It's based on the same sources as NIV, etc. Nestle Aland, Metzger, Wescott and Hort, etc manuscripts. And that is your research?

I use Strong's, Thayer's, BDB and similar for presentation in the forum or my articles for readers. Higher Truth also sourced the codexes-and gave links to them, dead sea scrolls, B-Hebrew scholars, etc. I would be so bold as to suggest Ginsburg knew quite a bit more than you. Just a feeling I get.

So the issue is that you don't understand how Yeh became Yah, or Yehovah can be contracted to be Yah, 52 times in the KJV?

Well, as was explained, the Name was being protected by those entrusted with keeping the Scriptures. It was well used in Temple times and by the Jews themselves. If the contracted form of Jehovah was inserted --aside from it may just as easily have been written as such in the originals, but, to some it may have made sense to protect it's wrong use by doing a contraction, just as they contracted some of the theophoric names. The thing is, we still see both versions in the Scriptures, just as we see the contracted and not contracted theophoric names. It's not all been hidden away. No big mystery about it. I personally believe that it was not changed but rather, it is what God intended it to be.

One could easily see that Yehovah could be contracted down to Yah by removing 'ehov'.

Now you want proof that Yah or Jah and Jehovah are interchangeable, and Yah/Jah is the contraction of Jehovah?

Keeping in mind that 3050 is Yah and 3068 is Yehovah
3050 > yhh
יהּ
yâhh transliterated and phonetic spelling yaw

3050 or the contracted form was used 52 times in KJV
only once as Jah > in Psalm 68:4
one time as vehement in Song of Solomon 8:6
the rest -49 times -- it appears to be translated into English as Lord. Of that, only four of those times are found anywhere other than the Psalms. The other times were in Isaiah.

In other words, the Psalms or songs used the contracted Hebrew form for 47 of the 52 times. The use almost appears related to what worked for singing the songs. The Levites of the sons of Kohathites and sons of Korah were given responsibility according to 2 Chronicles 20:19, to sing the songs or hymns of worship and praise of God. David brought in the worship in song, so we can assume, since he wrote a majority of the psalms, it was approved by God. As most would understand, rhythm is necessary in being able to sing something and words, syllables and pauses have to be part of that rhythm. For the contraction to be used mainly in the songs, suggests a plausible reason for it's use.

And please notice that interchangeableness of Jah/Yah the contraction with Jehovah, and notice the various Messianic prophecies fulfilled in Christ in these verses.

For example:

Psa 113:1 Praise ye the LORD. Praise, O ye servants of the LORD, praise the name of the LORD.
Psa 113:2 Blessed be the name of the LORD from this time forth and for evermore.
Psa 113:3 From the rising of the sun unto the going down of the same the LORD'S name is to be praised.
Psa 113:4 The LORD is high above all nations, and his glory above the heavens.
Psa 113:5 Who is like unto the LORD our God, who dwelleth on high,

Psa 113:1 PraiseH1984 ye the LORD. H3050 Praise,H1984 O ye servants H5650 of the LORD,H3068 praiseH1984 (H853) the nameH8034 of the LORD.H3068
Psa 113:2 BlessedH1288 beH1961 the nameH8034 of the LORD.H3068 from this time forthH4480 H6258 and for evermore.H5704 H5769
Psa 113:3 From the risingH4480 H4217 of the sunH8121 untoH5704 the going downH3996 of the same the LORD'S.H3068 nameH8034 is to be praised.H1984
Psa 113:4 The LORD.H3068 is highH7311 aboveH5921 allH3605 nations,H1471 and his gloryH3519 aboveH5921 the heavens.H8064
Psa 113:5 WhoH4310 is like unto the LORD.H3068 our God,H430 who dwellethH3427 on high,H1361

Psa 68:18 Thou hast ascended on high, thou hast led captivity captive: thou hast received gifts for men; yea, for the rebellious also, that the LORD God might dwell among them.

Psa 68:18 Thou hast ascendedH5927 on high,H4791 thou hast led captivity captive:H7617 H7628 thou hast receivedH3947 giftsH4979 for men;H120 yea, for the rebelliousH5637 also,H637 that the LORDH3050 GodH430 might dwellH7931 among them.

Psa 146:10 The LORD shall reign for ever, even thy God, O Zion, unto all generations. Praise ye the LORD.

Psa 146:10 The LORD H3068 shall reignH4427 for ever,H5769 even thy God,H430 O Zion,H6726 unto all generations.H1755 H1755 PraiseH1984 ye the LORDH3050

Psa 118:5 I called upon the LORD in distress: the LORD answered me, and set me in a large place.
Psa 118:6 The LORD is on my side; I will not fear: what can man do unto me?

Psa 118:5 I called uponH7121 the LORDH3050 inH4480 distress:H4712 the LORDH3050 answeredH6030 me, and set me in a large place.H4800
Psa 118:6 The LORD H3068 is on my side; I will notH3808 fear:H3372 whatH4100 can manH120 doH6213 unto me? [/b]

Notice this contains another Messianic prophecy fulfilled in Christ, who is our salvation.

Psa 118:11 They compassed me about; yea, they compassed me about: but in the name of the LORD I will destroy them.
Psa 118:12 They compassed me about like bees; they are quenched as the fire of thorns: for in the name of the LORD I will destroy them.
Psa 118:13 Thou hast thrust sore at me that I might fall: but the LORD helped me.

Psa 118:11 They compassed me about;H5437 yea,H1571 they compassed me about:H5437 but in the nameH8034 of the LORD H3068 I will destroyH4135 them.
Psa 118:12 They compassed me aboutH5437 like bees;H1682 they are quenchedH1846 as the fireH784 of thorns:H6975 for in the nameH8034 of the LORD H3068 I will destroyH4135 them.
Psa 118:13 Thou hast thrust soreH1760 H1760 at me that I might fall:H5307 but the LORD H3068 helpedH5826 me.

Psa 118:14 The LORD is my strength and song, and is become my salvation.
Psa 118:15 The voice of rejoicing and salvation is in the tabernacles of the righteous: the right hand of the LORD doeth valiantly.
Psa 118:16 The right hand of the LORD is exalted: the right hand of the LORD doeth valiantly.

Psa 118:14 The LORDH3050 is my strengthH5797 and song,H2176 and is becomeH1961 my salvation.H3444
Psa 118:15 The voiceH6963 of rejoicingH7440 and salvationH3444 is in the tabernaclesH168 of the righteous:H6662 the right handH3225 of the LORD H3068 doethH6213 valiantly.H2428
Psa 118:16 The right handH3225 of the LORD H3068 is exalted:H7311 the right handH3225 of the LORD H3068 doethH6213 valiantly.H2428

Psa 118:17 I shall not die, but live, and declare the works of the LORD.
Psa 118:18 The LORD hath chastened me sore: but he hath not given me over unto death.
Psa 118:19 Open to me the gates of righteousness: I will go into them, and I will praise the LORD:
Psa 118:20 This gate of the LORD, into which the righteous shall enter.

Psa 118:17 I shall notH3808 die,H4191 butH3588 live,H2421 and declareH5608 the worksH4639 of the LORDH3050
Psa 118:18 The LORDH3050 hath chastened me sore:H3256 H3256 but he hath notH3808 given me overH5414 unto death.H4194
Psa 118:19 OpenH6605 to me the gatesH8179 of righteousness:H6664 I will goH935 into them, and I will praiseH3034 the LORDH3050
Psa 118:20 ThisH2088 gateH8179 of the LORD H3068 into which the righteousH6662 shall enter.H935

Psa 118:21 I will praise thee: for thou hast heard me, and art become my salvation.
Psa 118:22 The stone which the builders refused is become the head stone of the corner.
Psa 118:23 This is the LORD'S doing; it is marvellous in our eyes.
Psa 118:24 This is the day which the LORD hath made; we will rejoice and be glad in it.

Psa 118:21 I will praiseH3034 thee: forH3588 thou hast heardH6030 me, and art becomeH1961 my salvation.H3444
Psa 118:22 The stoneH68 which the buildersH1129 refusedH3988 is becomeH1961 the headH7218 stone of the corner.H6438
Psa 118:23 ThisH2063 isH1961 the LORD'S H3068 doing;H4480 H854 itH1931 is marvellousH6381 in our eyes.H5869
Psa 118:24 ThisH2088 is the dayH3117 which the LORD H3068 hath made;H6213 we will rejoiceH1523 and be gladH8055 in it.

Psa 118:25 Save now, I beseech thee, O LORD: O LORD, I beseech thee, send now prosperity.
Psa 118:26 Blessed be he that cometh in the name of the LORD: we have blessed you out of the house of the LORD.
Psa 118:27 God is the LORD, which hath shewed us light: bind the sacrifice with cords, even unto the horns of the altar.
Psa 118:28 Thou art my God, and I will praise thee: thou art my God, I will exalt thee.
Psa 118:29 O give thanks unto the LORD; for he is good: for his mercy endureth for ever.

Psa 118:25 SaveH3467 now,H4994 I beseechH577 thee, O LORD H3068 O LORD H3068 I beseechH577 thee, send nowH4994 prosperity.H6743
Psa 118:26 BlessedH1288 be he that comethH935 in the nameH8034 of the LORD H3068 we have blessedH1288 you out of the houseH4480 H1004 of the LORD H3068
Psa 118:27 GodH410 is the LORD H3068 which hath shewed us light:H215 bindH631 the sacrificeH2282 with cords,H5688 even untoH5704 the hornsH7161 of the altar.H4196
Psa 118:28 ThouH859 art my God,H410 and I will praiseH3034 thee: thou art my God,H430 I will exaltH7311 thee.
Psa 118:29 O give thanksH3034 unto the LORD H3068 forH3588 he is good:H2896 forH3588 his mercyH2617 endureth for ever.H5769

Isa 12:2 Behold, God is my salvation; I will trust, and not be afraid: for the LORD JEHOVAH is my strength and my song; he also is become my salvation.

Isa 12:2 Behold,H2009 GodH410 is my salvation;H3444 I will trust,H982 and notH3808 be afraid:H6342 forH3588 the LORDH3050 JEHOVAHH3068 is my strengthH5797 and my song;H2176 he also is becomeH1961 my salvation.H3444

God >H410
אל
'êl
BDB Definition:
1) god, god-like one, mighty one
1a) mighty men, men of rank, mighty heroes
1b) angels
1c) god, false god, (demons, imaginations)
1d) God, the one true God, Jehovah
2) mighty things in nature
3) strength, power
Part of Speech: noun masculine
A Related Word by BDB/Strong’s Number: shortened from H352
Same Word by TWOT Number: 93a

my salvation.H3444
H3444
ישׁוּעה
yeshû‛âh

BDB Definition:
1) salvation, deliverance
1a) welfare, prosperity
1b) deliverance
1c) salvation (by God)
1d) victory

Isa 26:4 Trust ye in the LORD for ever: for in the LORD JEHOVAH is everlasting strength:

Isa 26:4 TrustH982 ye in the LORD H3068 for ever:H5704 H5703 forH3588 in the LORDH3050 JEHOVAHH3068 is everlastingH5769 strength:H6697

Isa 38:11 I said, I shall not see the LORD, even the LORD, in the land of the living: I shall behold man no more with the inhabitants of the world.

Isa 38:11 I said,H559 I shall notH3808 seeH7200 the LORDH3050 even the LORDH3050 in the landH776 of the living:H2416 I shall beholdH5027 manH120 noH3808 moreH5750 withH5973 the inhabitantsH3427 of the world.H2309