What's the True Name of God?

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Referring to Post 112 by Mo MHuintir >>>

Bill, I was in no way belittling you. You people need to quit playing victims and start taking things as part of any discussion. This is an apologetics forum and it is a very serious discussion because you are overturning the Truth of the Scriptures and so much more, and that is all being evaluated. And at the risk of Ne'aryah {and any others} complaining about my 'infamous lengthy posts', study does not mean drive through reading or drivel. It means studying and allowing the Scriptures to interpret the Scriptures. It means taking the time to prayerfully consider and think things through, not just tossing in some conjecture or opinion and expecting it to be swallowed hook, line and sinker. I tend to answer what people post as thoroughly as possible so if you don't want answers that are indepth or that answer what is being said, don't post. And I tend to ask questions I actually would like answers to. If you don't like that, please don't post.

I was stating that the reason the 'in vain' was translated as such was because of the context due to the knowledge and expertise of the translators. It was in reference to them having that skill,--as a group and in committees-- as the reason they chose 'in vain.' It was a large group of scholars well versed in Hebrew and all the languages necessary to translate the Scriptures. It was not based on their own opinion. It was based on that knowledge.

The point is in choosing something done in vain is to make the point that by Israel being in rebellion and disobedient to the law, while claiming and boasting they were righteous because they had been given the law, that it seemed God had given them the law in vain, just as their writing it down was in vain--because they rejected it. As was clearly stated in the following verse about them having 'rejected' it. It did not say they changed it. You were given examples of the use of 'in vain' in similar context which you totally ignore as having no meaning. Nor does the context of Jeremiah appear to have effect in your doctrine.

NKJV does not translate everything the same. There are changes to doctrine at times. It's your choice if you agree with that.

Quote:I believe this was the commandment written on the first two tablets given to Moses at Mount Sinai. The Hebrews could not receive this Torah (in their hearts) because they were a stiffnecked people. So they were given the law of Moses, the 10 commandments; which was derived by subdividing the original Torah into 10 do’s and don’ts.

God chose Israel out of all mankind, not because they were special but because they weren't. He made them unique and a 'peculiar' people because of what they were required to do different than the rest of the world. From changing of what they could eat, to how they worshipped and obeyed God. The law was given to guide them into doing the things that God decreed as important for them as a People set apart for Him.

If, as you say, the rabbis are responsible for the original 603--which is a rabbinic count for all the various laws and statutes btw, but which count varies depending on who is followed, then we should be able to prove by the Scriptures that the very same prophets who you would have to claim as being obedient to God when they rebuked and warned
about the rebellion and disobedience to that law, would not have sourced anything but the portion which was the ten commandments. Everything else must have been a lie implanted by the lying scribes, and or including Moses, and it has been there since "Nimrod"?

Since it is fully recognised that those writings in the first five books are of Moses hand--by all those prophets including Jeremiah.

So... if it's known then that the laws weren't originally recognised or written by Moses, then we should be able to see that God warned the prophets to warn the people to not follow what Moses, his servant, said or what was being attributed to Him having told Moses to write. Or that there would be clear notification in some manner that the prophets would declare only the ten commandments need be followed. Because we know God certainly knew which were His commandments to Israel, don't we? And we know the Scriptures say that the Scriptures were fully inspired by God, or perhaps not, according to you. But we know that God was leading Israel to follow Him and proclaim Him to the nations so what they did was very important.

I gave you several scriptures which you dismissed. I will bring them here and because it's from the writings of those inspired by and of God--which you either must say they were of God or were part of the conspiracy of lying scribes, priests and prophets.

We know that Ezra and Nehemiah, for example, sourced the book of Moses, in

2Ch 25:4 But he slew not their children, but did as it is written in the law in the book of Moses, where the LORD commanded, saying, The fathers shall not die for the children, neither shall the children die for the fathers, but every man shall die for his own sin.

> source for the fathers shall not die >>>
Deu 24:16 The fathers shall not be put to death for the children, neither shall the children be put to death for the fathers: every man shall be put to death for his own sin.
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2Ch 35:12 And they removed the burnt offerings, that they might give according to the divisions of the families of the people, to offer unto the LORD, as it is written in the book of Moses. And so did they with the oxen.
2Ch 35:13 And they roasted the passover with fire according to the ordinance: but the other holy offerings sod they in pots, and in caldrons, and in pans, and divided them speedily among all the people.

>>>>source for the burnt offerings and divisions >>

Exo 10:25 And Moses said, Thou must give us also sacrifices and burnt offerings, that we may sacrifice unto the LORD our God.
Exo 10:26 Our cattle also shall go with us; there shall not an hoof be left behind; for thereof must we take to serve the LORD our God; and we know not with what we must serve the LORD, until we come thither.
Exo 29:1-46, 36:1-40:38; Lev 9:22, etc
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>>>>Ezr 6:16 And the children of Israel, the priests, and the Levites, and the rest of the children of the captivity, kept the dedication of this house of God with joy,
Ezr 6:17 And offered at the dedication of this house of God an hundred bullocks, two hundred rams, four hundred lambs; and for a sin offering for all Israel, twelve he goats, according to the number of the tribes of Israel.
Ezr 6:18 And they set the priests in their divisions, and the Levites in their courses, for the service of God, which is at Jerusalem; as it is written in the book of Moses.
Ezr 6:19 And the children of the captivity kept the passover upon the fourteenth day of the first month.

>>The offerings and sin offering is found in Exodus 12:6-36, see also Ezra 3:3, passover Exodus 12

>>> Ezra the priest who directed the children of Israel from their captivity back to obedience to following God and abiding the law of Moses. Ezra who compiled and collected all the sacred writings which became canon, from Genesis 1 forward, then also must be dismissed including all the books he wrote as God lead by the Holy Spirit. That would mean the book of Ezra, and 1 & 2 Chronicles; Nehemiah which was at first compiled with Ezra, was separate.

>Neh 13:1 On that day they read in the book of Moses in the audience of the people; and therein was found written, that the Ammonite and the Moabite should not come into the congregation of God for ever; ...
Neh 13:3 Now it came to pass, when they had heard the law, that they separated from Israel all the mixed
multitude. [/b]

>>that's found in
Deu 23:3 An Ammonite or Moabite shall not enter into the congregation of the LORD; even to their tenth generation shall they not enter into the congregation of the LORD for ever: [/b]

>>so Nehemiah was either a true priest/prophet of God and warning the people to go back to obedience of the Law, or he was a deceiver. Which means,based on your conjecture, that eliminates Nehemiah as a reliable book in the Hebrew Scriptures.

Every part of Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers and Deuteronomy must be dumped because they have been tainted by the wretched Scribes and since Moses only wrote the 10 commandments according to you, all dialogue and commands by God to Moses in those books must be suspect as being falsified because they all pertain to the "603" made up laws that were inserted by lying scribes according to your analysis.

For example:

Exo 19:9 And the LORD said unto Moses, Lo, I come unto thee in a thick cloud, that the people may hear when I speak with thee, and believe thee for ever. And Moses told the words of the people unto the LORD.
Exo 19:10 And the LORD said unto Moses, Go unto the people, and sanctify them to day and to morrow, and let them wash their clothes,
Exo 19:11 And be ready against the third day: for the third day the LORD will come down in the sight of all the people upon mount Sinai.

Lev 11:43 Ye shall not make yourselves abominable with any creeping thing that creepeth, neither shall ye make yourselves unclean with them, that ye should be defiled thereby.
Lev 11:44 For I am the LORD your God: ye shall therefore sanctify yourselves, and ye shall be holy; for I am holy: neither shall ye defile yourselves with any manner of creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
Lev 11:45 For I am the LORD that bringeth you up out of the land of Egypt, to be your God: ye shall therefore be holy, for I am holy.
Lev 11:46 This is the law of the beasts, and of the fowl, and of every living creature that moveth in the waters, and of every creature that creepeth upon the earth:

That must be all lies, and so every book, every prophet, every priest, every king that referenced the law, other than the ten commandments, must also be deceived or blatant liars and they must have known it was all lies made up by those wicked unnamed scribes. That includes David.

Psalm Psa 20:1 <To the chief Musician, A Psalm of David.> The LORD hear thee in the day of trouble; the name of the God of Jacob defend thee;
Psa 20:2 Send thee help from the sanctuary, and strengthen thee out of Zion;
Psa 20:3 Remember all thy offerings, and accept thy burnt sacrifice; Selah.

Psa 66:13 I will go into thy house with burnt offerings: I will pay thee my vows,
Psa 66:14 Which my lips have uttered, and my mouth hath spoken, when I was in trouble.
Psa 66:15 I will offer unto thee burnt sacrifices of fatlings, with the incense of rams; I will offer bullocks with goats. Selah.

Psalm 81: 4 Blow the horn at the new moon, at the full moon for our feast-day.
ה כִּי חֹק לְיִשְׂרָאֵל הוּא; מִשְׁפָּט, לֵאלֹהֵי יַעֲקֹב. 5
For it is a statute for Israel, an ordinance of the God of Jacob.

Solomon, the man of renowned God given wisdom must also have been deceived, because we see---

2Ch 8:12 Then Solomon offered burnt offerings unto the LORD on the altar of the LORD, which he had built before the porch,
2Ch 8:13 Even after a certain rate every day, offering according to the commandment of Moses, on the sabbaths, and on the new moons, and on the solemn feasts, three times in the year, even in the feast of unleavened bread, and in the feast of weeks, and in the feast of tabernacles.
2Ch 8:14 And he appointed, according to the order of David his father, the courses of the priests to their service, and the Levites to their charges, to praise and minister before the priests, as the duty of every day required: the porters also by their courses at every gate: for so had David the man of God commanded.
2Ch 8:15 And they departed not from the commandment of the king unto the priests and Levites concerning any matter, or concerning the treasures.

That means dumping Solomon's writings, because he apparently wasn't so wise after all. That means:

Pro 1:1 The proverbs of Solomon the son of David, king of Israel; Son 1:1 The song of songs, which is Solomon's. ; and possibly Ecclesiastes, which must be dumped anyway because it may have been written by Solomon.

Ezekiel quotes the teachings of the law > for example Ezekiel 45, so that means that Ezekiel must be dumped as well for being deceived and could not have been a prophet of God.

Kings must also be dumped as being of God because it also sources the law and promotes , the keeping of the passover according to what was written in the law of Moses for example (and it's a record of Solomon etc so since that's pointless now...)> 2 Kings 23

1Ki 2:3 And keep the charge of the LORD thy God, to walk in his ways, to keep his statutes, and his commandments, and his judgments, and his testimonies, as it is written in the law of Moses, that thou mayest prosper in all that thou doest, and whithersoever thou turnest thyself: [/b]

>>>which is meaning and sourcing > Deu 29:9; Deu 4:1, Deu 4:5, Deu 4:8, Deu 5:1, Deu 6:1-2;
Deu 4:44 And this is the law which Moses set before the children of Israel:
Deu 4:45 These are the testimonies, and the statutes, and the judgments, which Moses spake unto the children of Israel, after they came forth out of Egypt,

Joshua which you sourced must be dumped because he also sourced the book of Moses for burnt offerings etc.
For example :

Jos 8:31 As Moses the servant of the LORD commanded the children of Israel, as it is written in the book of the law of Moses, an altar of whole stones, over which no man hath lift up any iron: and they offered thereon burnt offerings unto the LORD, and sacrificed peace offering

Jos 8:33 And all Israel, and their elders, and officers, and their judges, stood on this side the ark and on that side before the priests the Levites, which bare the ark of the covenant of the LORD,as well the stranger, as he that was born among them; half of them over against mount Gerizim, and half of them over against mount Ebal; as
Moses the servant of the LORD had commanded before, that they should bless the people of Israel.
Jos 8:34 And afterward he read all the words of the law, the blessings and cursings, according to all that is written in the book of the law.
Jos 8:35 There was not a word of all that Moses commanded, which Joshua read not before all the congregation of Israel, with the women, and the little ones, and the strangers that were conversant among them.

Jos 22:4 And now the LORD your God hath given rest unto your brethren, as he promised them: therefore now return ye, and get you unto your tents, and unto the land of your possession, which Moses the servant of the LORD gave you on the other side Jordan.
Jos 22:5 But take diligent heed to do the commandment and the law, which Moses the servant of the LORD charged you, to love the LORD your God, and to walk in all his ways, and to keep his commandments, and to cleave unto him, and to serve him with all your heart and with all your soul.

Judges also sources the law of Moses so we must conclude it also must be dumped as invalid and corrupt , for example >

Jdg 21:4 And it came to pass on the morrow, that the people rose early, and built there an altar, and offered burnt offerings and peace offerings.

> all based on Exodus 20

1& 2 Samuel must also be dumped because it was about obedience and disobedience to the Lord via the right sacrifices and burnt offerings according to the law of Moses.

Job must be dumped because he also offered burnt offerings according to what was written in the law. Job 42:8;

Isaiah 1 and 66 all speak of the vanity of those in rebellion giving the burnt offerings, so we can assume Isaiah must be dumped as having believed they should have been given according to the law of Moses.

Jeremiah must also be dumped because he speaks of obeying the law of Moses and honoring the sabbath and giving burnt offerings that are acceptable because of obedience to God. Jeremiah 17...

The sabbath>>>>Exo_16:23-29, etc

Malachi also

Mal 4:4 Remember ye the law of Moses my servant, which I commanded unto him in Horeb for all Israel, with the statutes and judgments.
Mal 4:5 Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the LORD:


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