Backpacker aka Jacob *

[Vic]

You know Jacob, I always like to give people a chance to show who they are. You have not disappointed us. I am starting this this thread so I can address you.

In the thread > http://www.seekgod.ca/forum/showthread.php?tid=76 you stated >

Quote:I agree that there are many out there, and I have run across a few of them myself, who translate the text according to what they want it to say. I am not familiar with Jeff Benner or Schofield's work so I can't have a comment on how they translate the text.

Now let me just say, you are kidding right?

Is it not true that your email is the same as on this website > https..://sites.google.com/site/yahwehelohiym/.

That is you correct? And please do correct me if I am wrong on this.

Well here's the thing > Jeff Benner lists your website as being one of his friends websites:

***if the hotlinks don't work it's because I added a period to them.***

Quote:ancient-hebrew.org/45_home.html. >>> AHRC Friend's Websites

The Ancient Hebrew Research Center has a large number of regular readers and fellow researchers. Some of them have developed excellent
websites, some related to the Hebrew language and some not, and we would like to recognize them by listing them here...

1st in the list >>>

Quote:Yahweh Elohim: A unique and revolutionary view of YHWH and Elohiym. >> https...://sites.google.com/site/yahwehelohiym./

That link Takes you to your website main page>>>

Quote:Yahweh the God or Yahweh of the gods? >>> This work is a unique look at the Hebrew Bible that will open your eyes to a new world,
one that has been hidden from you because of religion and doctrine.

...I would be interested in hearing your comments and constructive criticisms on this work, either positive or negative, as this is a work in progress and I am always looking for what I have not yet seen. You may email me at yahwehelohiym@yahoo.com. Thank you.

I would like to thank Michael Heiser, Thorleif Boman, Michael Calpino and Jeff Benner for their work in the Hebrew language as their work has had a strong influence in my studies.

As an aside another of Jeff Benner's friends listed there is Brad Scott. Do you know him too?

And isn't your blog this one Jacob? > Your blog and name >>>>>

Quote:jacobgebhart.blogspot.com/. > Jacob Gebhart (Gebhart of the North)

I matched your articles there to the yahwehelohiym site and your icon is very similar to Rico's --an interlaced triskele see post 54 > http://www.seekgod.ca/forum/showthread.p...375&page=6 but with slight difference to Jacob's jacobgebhart.blogspot.com/2009/10/welcome.html.

Here's a few examples of the articles matching from the yahwehelohiym site and jacobgebhart.blogspot...

>>> The Nature of God Part 2: Masculine and Feminine jacobgebhart.blogspot.com/2009/11/masculine-and-feminine-nature-of-god.html.

And > The Masculine and Feminine nature of Elohim
https...://sites.google.com/site/yahwehelohiym/an-ancient-view-of-god/the-masculine-and-feminine-nature-of-elohim.

And >> Theological Filters > https...://sites.google.com/site/yahwehelohiym/introduction/theological-filters.

Theological Filters jacobgebhart.blogspot.com/2009/10/theological-filters.html.

You, Jacob, are a Guest writer on Jeff Benners site and he stated : ancient-hebrew.org/39_home.html.

Quote:Guest Articles related to Ancient Hebrew --- We occasionally receive articles from individuals who have been able to express different aspects of the Ancient Hebrew language, thought and the Bible. With their permission we are sharing them with you here.

So Jeff Benner had to have your permission to post your article which you had to have sent him -

ancient-hebrew.org/39_exodus.html.

Quote:ancient-hebrew.org/39_home.html. >>> Guest Articles related to Ancient Hebrew >>The Exodus: How many came out of the exodus of Egypt (An html file by Jacob Gebhart). >>
ancient-hebrew.org/39_exodus.html.

You stated very clearly you aren't familiar with Jeff Benner. Why would you not want anyone to know your connections? I mean Jeff was on here as Nomad Man--you can read about it in the thread Translational Inconsistencies >
http://www.seekgod.ca/forum/showthread.php?tid=58 and he didn't stay more than 2 days.

You also have your Youtube page >>> youtube.com/user/jacobgebhart and Jeff Benner is one of your subscribers listed in the first 8 >

An example from there, of your beliefs which matches your other two websites is >>>>

Quote:1.1 - The Masculine and Feminine of Elohim From: jacobgebhart | April 10, 2009 | 340 views "The Hebrew words Elohim(masculine / powers, gods, God, mighty ones) and Tseva'ot (feminine / hosts, armies, forces) are synonyms. The Elohim /Tseva'ot are the powers/forces of heaven. ...plus "Yhvh is not Elohim Yhvh is part of Elohim"

So that just means that you believe that there's a bunch of gods and God is just one of them or of that collected power. And when you said that you believe God and Jesus are one in the salvation thread, it's simply because you believe they are all part of being messengers of The elohim. And you exclude mention of the Holy Spirit because you don't believe there is a Holy Spirit. Just "wind of your unique one"

Pro 30:6 Add thou not unto his words, lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar.

Pro 17:4 A wicked doer giveth heed to false lips; and a liar giveth ear to a naughty tongue.

Jacob you said

Quote:I would like to thank Michael Heiser, Thorleif Boman, Michael Calpino and Jeff Benner for their work in the Hebrew language as their work has had a strong influence in my studies.

Jeff Benner wrote/manufactured/madeup his ancient hebrew lexicon of the bible (and other writings) and gave credit to Michael Calpino who "supported" and "assisted him" in working out many word and root origins and meanings.

And who is Michael Calpino who had a strong influence in your Hebrew and other studies along with Jeff Benner who you say aren't familiar with?

Doctor James Trimm's "Jewish" School & International Beit Din > http://www.seekgod.ca/yeshiva.htm

Quote: James Trimm's Beit Din has never had the said 12 judges, let alone 23, and his current Beit Din has four members: James Trimm, Eric
Sandquist, Daniel Harris and Joe Vial--which is misspelled on his site and should be Joe Viel. See also David Hall & Michael J Rood. For Joe Vial
See: The James Trimm & Michael Rood Factor

Further the Beit Din is to be comprised of "Jewish" members. According to a former member, "A member of the Nazarene Beit Din must be a
Jew, either natural or converted according to standards accepted by this Beit Din." That not only eliminates James Trimm from his own group, but other Beit Din members have resigned because they weren't Jewish either. That meant former members such as Chris Lingle, Michael Calpino, Cecil Hartley, and perhaps others.

David Hall & Michael J. Rood & The MJAA > http://www.seekgod.ca/david%20hall.htm

Quote:Probably of most importance, which David Hall avoids mentioning, is that he has been a member of James Trimm's Beit Din and has supported him. In April 1999 he was listed as a Full Member of Trimm's Beit Din, with a link to his tzion.org. At that time, the Beit Din
membership was listed as:

Full Members:

James Trimm
(SANJ president)

Rabbi Yeshayahu Heiliczer
(President of ATOM)

Rabbi David Hall
(Tzion Congregation leader)

Rav Mikael Calpino
(Beth HaKodesh Cong. Leader)

Eric Sandquist
(SANJ board of directors)

Ya'akov Hartly
(Malkeynu Shuva Cong. Leader)

Michael Detwiler

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[Vic]

One of your other sources of influence:

Thorleif Boman (Author) > who wrote Hebrew Thought Compared with Greek

--- His writings are the whole you can't understand the scriptures without understanding the need of having a 'hebraic mindset'. Sound familiar?...it's so Hebrew Roots.

Forgotten is that salvation was to all mankind and God made it so all could understand the Scriptures--even a child can understand. It's so simple.

It's the Holy Spirit that gives understanding of the things God freely gives to those who love Him and those who do not know Him CANNOT
UNDERSTAND those things. That is why we have all you people trying to rewrite the Scriptures, find the hidden doctrine that you all of a sudden uncovered, rewrote, invented, imagined and sell in many cases to make a buck. The gnostic mind tries to present what no one else 'got' but them.

Too bad it's all so false. Because the Word of God is Truth.

1 Corinthians 2:9-14 But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the
things which God hath prepared for them that love him. 10. But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God. 11. For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God. 12. Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God. 13. Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual. 14. But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

Rev 21:8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

Pro 6:16 These six things doth the LORD hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto him:
Pro 6:17 A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood,
Pro 6:18 An heart that deviseth wicked imaginations, feet that be swift in running to mischief,
Pro 6:19 A false witness that speaketh lies, and he that soweth discord among brethren.

Sadly, Your goal appears to fully discredit the Bible in favor of what you and Benner and similar imagine; you equal Paul to talmudic rabbis which shows how little you know about actual history and the Scriptures; your masculine/feminine stuff is kabbalah; you promote the LXX and I can't see the point of even going further into associations with Jeff Benner and the rest...

You talk about all the gods and can't comprehend that Almighty God is the only God. The other 'gods' referenced throughout Scripture, and
paganism etc, are not real. They are merely part of the demonic deception to keep people turned from the Truth.

The apostle Paul--I notice you don't actually reference the NT but, here's what he said:

Rom 1:18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;
Rom 1:19 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.
Rom 1:20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
Rom 1:21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.
Rom 1:22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,
Rom 1:23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.
Rom 1:24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:
Rom 1:25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.

1Co 8:4 As concerning therefore the eating of those things that are offered in sacrifice unto idols, we know that an idol is nothing in the world, and that there is none other God but one.
1Co 8:5 For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth, (as there be gods many, and lords many,)
1Co 8:6 But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.
Gal 4:7 Wherefore thou art no more a servant, but a son; and if a son, then an heir of God through Christ.
Gal 4:8 Howbeit then, when ye knew not God, ye did service unto them which by nature are no gods.

In Acts we see:
Act 14:11 And when the people saw what Paul had done, they lifted up their voices, saying in the speech of Lycaonia, The gods are come down to us in the likeness of men.
Act 14:12 And they called Barnabas, Jupiter; and Paul, Mercurius, because he was the chief speaker.
Act 14:13 Then the priest of Jupiter, which was before their city, brought oxen and garlands unto the gates, and would have done sacrifice with the people.
Act 14:14 Which when the apostles, Barnabas and Paul, heard of, they rent their clothes, and ran in among the people, crying out,
Act 14:15 And saying, Sirs, why do ye these things? We also are men of like passions with you, and preach unto you that ye should turn from these vanities unto the living God, which made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and all things that are therein:

Act 17:22 Then Paul stood in the midst of Mars' hill, and said, Ye men of Athens, I perceive that in all things ye are too superstitious.
Act 17:23 For as I passed by, and beheld your devotions, I found an altar with this inscription, TO THE UNKNOWN GOD. Whom therefore
ye ignorantly worship, him declare I unto you.
Act 17:24 God that made the world and all things therein, seeing that he is Lord of heaven and earth, dwelleth not in temples made with hands;
Act 17:25 Neither is worshipped with men's hands, as though he needed any thing, seeing he giveth to all life, and breath, and all things;
Act 17:26 And hath made of one blood all nations of men for to dwell on all the face of the earth, and hath determined the times before
appointed, and the bounds of their habitation;
Act 17:27 That they should seek the Lord, if haply they might feel after him, and find him, though he be not far from every one of us:
Act 17:28 For in him we live, and move, and have our being; as certain also of your own poets have said, For we are also his offspring.
Act 17:29 Forasmuch then as we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Godhead is like unto gold, or silver, or stone, graven by art and man's device. Act 17:30 And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent:

And also in Acts > Act 19:26 Moreover ye see and hear, that not alone at Ephesus, but almost
throughout all Asia, this Paul hath persuaded and turned away much people, saying that they be no gods, which are made with hands:

And the OT states:

...Jer 10:10 But the LORD is the true God, he is the living God, and an everlasting king: at his wrath the earth shall tremble,
and the nations shall not be able to abide his indignation. ...
Jer 10:14 Every man is brutish in his knowledge: every founder is confounded by the graven image: for his molten image is falsehood, and there is no breath in them.
Jer 10:15 They are vanity, and the work of errors: in the time of their visitation they shall perish.

Deu 4:28 And there ye shall serve gods, the work of men's hands, wood and stone, which neither see, nor hear, nor eat, nor smell.

2Ki 19:18 And have cast their gods into the fire: for they were no gods, but the work of men's hands, wood and stone: therefore they have destroyed them.

Dan 5:23 But hast lifted up thyself against the Lord of heaven; and they have brought the vessels of his house before thee, and thou, and thy lords, thy wives, and thy concubines, have drunk wine in them; and thou hast praised the gods of silver, and gold, of brass, iron, wood, and stone, which see not, nor hear, nor know: and the God in whose hand thy breath is, and whose are all thy ways, hast thou not glorified:

And in Revelation we see: Rev 9:20 And the rest of the men which were not killed by these plagues yet repented not of the works of their hands, that they should not worship devils, and idols of gold, and silver, and brass, and stone, and of wood: which neither can see, nor hear, nor walk: Rev 9:21 Neither repented they of their murders, nor of their sorceries, nor of their fornication, nor of their thefts.

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[Vic]

In other words, because of your lack of understanding and belief in the validity and Truth of the Scriptures you have changed totally what they mean ie added to and taken away from them because of what can only be described as a gnostic desire to convey what you cannot understand unless you know the Author.

The Bible isn't written by men who write about God, as you like to state. The Bible is God's Word, inspired by God Himself to convey to mankind through chosen individuals who He is, His love for us and His plan of salvation because man chose to sin/disobey Him right from Adam onward.

2Sa 23:1 Now these be the last words of David. David the son of Jesse said, and the man who was raised up on high, the anointed of the God of Jacob, and the sweet psalmist of Israel, said,
2Sa 23:2 The Spirit of the LORD spake by me, and his word was in my tongue.

Rom 15:4 For whatsoever things were written aforetime were written for our learning, that we through patience and comfort of the scriptures
might have hope.

Acts 28:25-27 And when they agreed not among themselves, they departed, after that Paul had spoken one word, Well spake the Holy Ghost by Esaias the prophet unto our fathers, 26. Saying, Go unto this people, and say, Hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and not perceive: 27. For the heart of this people is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes have they closed; lest they should see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.

Galatians 3:7-9 Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham. 8. And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed. 9. So then they which be of faith are blessed with faithful Abraham.

2 Peter 1:19-21 We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts: 20. Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation. 21. For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.

What's really sad is your quest for knowledge has led you away from God instead of to Him.

2 Timothy 3:16-17 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: 17. That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.

Heb 4:2 For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in
them that heard it.

Hebrews 4:9-13 There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God. 10. For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his. 11. Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief. 12. For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart. 13. Neither is there any creature that is not manifest in his sight: but all things are naked and opened unto the eyes of him with whom we have to do.

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[Vic]

Jacob, In the forum rules you agreed to when you joined, it states :

Blasphemy will not be tolerated. Those not of the Christian faith are welcome to become members but, need to keep it very clearly in their mind that derogatory remarks about God, Jesus Christ or the Holy Spirit, in any language, ... It is solely at the admins discretion to not only delete those types of things, but possibly permanently ban the poster, with or without warnings. That goes also for any filth concerning the Bible. If you don't believe it, then please ask questions, but be aware that we believe the Bible to be the Word of God and it is not to be taken lightly. We also believe it is the standard to which we weigh beliefs, doctrines, ideas and behaviors.

Don't become a member to Spam us with your: doctrine, errant beliefs,...

Don't lie. Be honest with what you have to say....We will come down very hard on any perpetrators. And then of course consider: Proverbs 12:22 Lying lips are abomination to the LORD: but they that deal truly are his delight. And for believers, 1Jn 2:21 I have not written unto you because ye know not the truth, but because ye know it, and that no lie is of the truth.

...Promotion of beliefs contrary to Scripture or what we understand to be Christian beliefs may/will be allowed to a certain point. That is, if
someone brings in another gospel and another Jesus, it may be discussed Biblically and exposed for what it is. It will not be allowed to sit unchallenged to Scriptural Truth. It may also be discontinued as a discussion.

How the above are dealt with are completely at the discretion of the admins. It won't be up for debate or discussion..."

So Jacob, we appear to be at a crossroads. You obviously don't believe the Scriptures, who God is, who Jesus Christ is, etc and after reading many of your writings, I can only conclude that your doctrines are so errant as to be blasphemous at times, and certainly not something to be promoted on a Christian apologetics site. Nice try though. Your intro post had red flags all over it as did your other posts.

You appear to convey that there is actually no Truth, but each can have their own truth and beliefs. Basically whatever makes them happy and dare I say, whatever keeps the 'harmony' with others, which really is new age sounding.

But Jesus said:

John 8:31-32 Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed; 32. And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.

Joh 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me

1Jn 5:20 And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.

I would prefer you follow the lead of Jeff Benner yet again, and just go.

Don't attempt to make a scene. Just go. You obviously are not here to receive anything, but rather, to disseminate your beliefs. And that is just not going to happen here.

Amo 3:3 Can two walk together, except they be agreed?

John 3:14-21 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up: 15. That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life. 16. For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. 17. For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. 18. He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. 19. And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. 20. For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved. 21. But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.

[Backpacker]

I do not know Jeff well, we just have a mutual friend, my brother. Actually I found out about your website from him and he cautioned me and said it would probably be best if I didn't bring him up if I wanted any chance of getting involved with the forum.

The yahwehelohiym website you brought up is my brother's, we share the same email address when we do not wish to use our personal email, but we do not share the same belief's and if you read some of my posts here you could plainly see that. I believe that Jesus is Christ and God, my brother has rejected Jesus. The JacobGebhart blog is also my brother's. We both use Jacob on the internet as neither of us use our real names on the internet, Jacob is our grandfather.

I have heard my brother mention Brad Scott, James Trimm, Rico Cortez and Michael Calpino, but I don't know them nor am I real familiar with their views. You brought up Thorleif Boman's book, this I am familiar with as it is in my library and one of my favorite books.

It appears to me that you spent a lot of time composing your post and probably could have saved a lot of time if you had just asked me if I was the same Jacob. It also appears that you do not want anyone on your forum that has a different view from your own, so I think the Christian thing to do is follow your suggestion to "just go." You seem to go to great lengths to ensure no belief other than your own is expressed here.

May our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ be with you all.

[Vic]

(12-30-2010 07:56 PM)Backpacker Wrote:  I do not know Jeff well, we just have a mutual friend, my brother. Actually I found out about your website from him and he cautioned me and said it would probably be best if I didn't bring him up if I wanted any chance of getting involved with the forum.

The yahwehelohiym website you brought up is my brother's, we share the same email address when we do not wish to use our personal email, but we do not share the same belief's as you can obviously tell. The JacobGebhart blog is also my brother's. We both use Jacob on the internet as neither of us use our real names on the internet, Jacob is our grandfather.

I have heard my brother mention Brad Scott, James Trimm, Rico Cortez and Michael Calpino, but I don't know them nor am I real familiar with their views. You brought up Thorleif Boman's book, this I am familiar with as it is in my library and one of my favorite books.

It appears to me that you spent a lot of time composing your post and probably could have saved a lot of time if you had just asked me if I was the same Jacob. It also appears that you do not want anyone on your forum that has a different view from your own, so I think the Christian thing to do is follow your suggestion to "just go." You seem to go to great lengths to ensure no belief other than your own is expressed here.

May our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ be with you all.

You know 'Jacob', I have heard some inventive responses before, but this one pretty much takes the cake.

You sincerely want me to believe that
1) you, a grown man, who said in his intro he is married and going off the grid, uses his brother's yahoo email account because you both use the same name of Jacob on the internet and both use that same FREE account, despite that it shows up as the email to that website? So are you not aware that you can actually make your own FREE yahoo acct? or gmail? or hotmail? or aol? etc? and keep your personal account personal?

And you claim to be a Christian and would stand to allow yourself to walk in agreement with "your brother" on all "his beliefs", "his websites", "his writings" which you claim are all different than yours. So what does the Scripture say about that?

Amo 3:3 Can two walk together, except they be agreed?

Titus 3:10-11 A man that is an heretick after the first and second admonition reject; 11. Knowing that he that is such is subverted, and sinneth, being condemned of himself.

Jude 1:3-4 Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort you that ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints. 4. For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.

2) you suggest that Jeff Benner told you not to mention him if you wanted to be on this forum----but you posted very clearly, "I am not familiar with Jeff Benner"... so which is it Jacob? You don't know Jeff Benner or he told you to hide the fact that you do?

Either way, which is the truth? because your own statements contradict? How can you expect to be believed on any of this?

As far as being on this forum, Jeff Benner stayed two days and wouldn't answer the questions put to him and disappeared like so many others who can't stand to prove their claimed credentials or beliefs to the Word of God or actual provable facts. He was proven inaccurate time and again and He left and was never moderated, or banned. He's still listed as an active member.

John 3:17-21 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. 18. He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. 19. And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. 20. For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved. 21. But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.

2 Timothy 2:22-26 Flee also youthful lusts: but follow righteousness, faith, charity, peace, with them that call on the Lord out of a pure heart. 23. But foolish and unlearned questions avoid, knowing that they do gender strifes. 24. And the servant of the Lord must not strive; but be gentle unto all men, apt to teach, patient, 25. In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth; 26. And that they may recover themselves out of the snare of the devil, who are taken captive by him at his will.

Jacob you said that you and "your brother" "do not share the same belief's as you can obviously tell"

Actually Jacob, I can't tell. Your posts raise so many flags. You don't want people to see who you are so you mask things plus disseminate teachings that parallel "your brothers" or Benner's or similar. But a Christian will most willingly say what they believe and why. It's part of what Christians are to be about.

Galatians 1:6-10 I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel: 7. Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ. 8. But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. 9. As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed. 10. For do I now persuade men, or God? or do I seek to please men? for if I yet pleased men, I should not be the servant of Christ.

Christians know that we are called to prove all things and try the spirits. In other words, just because someone says they are Christian does not mean they are and it is through questions and an individuals statements that we find whether they are of Christ.

1 John 4:1-3 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world. 2. Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God: 3. And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.

So if you are offended by being asked to prove yourself, that's simply too bad, because doing these things is imperative. And you should know that.

The cannard that you and so many others spew "It also appears that you do not want anyone on your forum that has a different view from your own.." is such a false statement.

I really get my fill of people who would even think that, when you look at the threads and the discussions started and continued by those who have totally differeing views.

The ones who leave of their own accord do so because they cannot prove their own opinions as being the Word of God. The ones who leave often are merely here to spam their beliefs--not discuss. The ones who leave are ones who have a tantrum because they are required to abide the forum rules they agreed to---and they don't like it. Most often people leave over those issues or have to be removed because of total disrespect of not only us but the other members or readers and an absolute refusal to abide the forum rules. Rules which we never even had until several months of having the forum and having people join and having to deal with them because they could not simply discuss and behave like mature adults. And there are many who merely choose to read, and not post. And that's fine. This is an apologetics forum. It's not some empty fluff and if anyone wishes to join they are welcome. BUt they need to bring their beliefs backed with the Word of God. Not opinion, not conjecture, not undocumented 'facts'; not imagination/opinion masquerading as some type of scholarship.

So can the victim cannard. You are not a victim here and were as welcome as anyone else. But you chose to deal with us in a deceptive manner. You have over 25 posts---did you get thrown off after the first one?

You chose to say you don't know Jeff Benner when you do. So please do tell, what does that have to do with saying we don't want anyone here that doesn't agree with us?

Ephesians 5:8-11 For ye were sometimes darkness, but now are ye light in the Lord: walk as children of light: 9. (For the fruit of the Spirit is in all goodness and righteousness and truth;) 10. Proving what is acceptable unto the Lord. 11. And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them.

[YYZ Skinhead]

(12-30-2010 05:47 PM)Vic Wrote:  And isn't your blog this one Jacob? > Your blog and name >>>>>

Quote:jacobgebhart.blogspot.com/. > Jacob Gebhart (Gebhart of the North)

I matched your articles there to the yahwehelohiym site and your icon is very similar to Rico's --an interlaced triskele see post 54 > http://www.seekgod.ca/forum/showthread.p...375&page=6 but with slight difference to Jacob's jacobgebhart.blogspot.com/2009/10/welcome.html.

The symbol is a Norse Pagan symbol called a Valknot/Valknut. The filename even calls it that. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Valknot

[Vic]

(12-30-2010 10:34 PM)YYZ Skinhead Wrote:  The symbol is a Norse Pagan symbol called a Valknot/Valknut. The filename even calls it that. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Valknot

Thanks for the information YYZ. I noticed in the article references that the anti-defamation league mentions its use by a number of neo-nazi groups, and other info has its use for some pagan religious beliefs revolving around death.

For Christians we are reminded:

2 Corinthians 6:14-18 Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness? 15. And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel? 16. And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people. 17. Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you, 18. And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty.

And just some thoughts to my prior posts regarding honesty:

Rom 12:17 Recompense to no man evil for evil. Provide things honest in the sight of all men.

2Co 8:21 Providing for honest things, not only in the sight of the Lord, but also in the sight of men.

2 Corinthians 13:7-8 Now I pray to God that ye do no evil; not that we should appear approved, but that ye should do that which is honest, though we be as reprobates. 8. For we can do nothing against the truth, but for the truth.

Php 4:8 Finally, brethren, whatsoever things are true, whatsoever things are honest, whatsoever things are just, whatsoever things are pure, whatsoever things are lovely, whatsoever things are of good report; if there be any virtue, and if there be any praise, think on these things.

[YYZ Skinhead]

Backpacker's blog has vanished along with the Valknot on it.

[Vic]

(01-02-2011 02:29 PM)YYZ Skinhead Wrote:  Backpacker's blog has vanished along with the Valknot on it.

Thanks for the info. It's not really a surprise.I've seen contents of complete websites disappear or be revamped and the quoted pages disappear after writing about them.

People don't like being exposed and their teachings analysed to the Word of God.

John 3:19-21 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. 20. For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved. 21. But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.