The Book of Enoch

[Saltyone]

Does anyone know or have any info on this book?

It seems that Enoch was a man who walked with God. He is quoted from by Jude.

Just wanted to know if anyone has some info.

[YYZ Skinhead]

It is a Gnostic book, one of the Apocrypha. It isn't authentic Scripture.

[sheep wrecked]

(02-08-2011 10:12 AM)YYZ Skinhead Wrote:  It is a Gnostic book, one of the Apocrypha. It isn't authentic Scripture.

The thing that bugs me the most is the "Jude quotes the book of Enoch" canard If you compare the verse between the two, they do not match. Not only that, the book of Enoch is an occult book which is used in the occult and magic arts due to the "magical incantations" and theories within Enoch.

The Book of Enoch was “smoothed” to reflect Jude, as no original translation exists and the translations of it have been dated back to the middles ages [long after the first century]. The Book of Enoch is associated with necromancy [contacting the dead, forbidden in both OT and NT] and angelic transmissions [automatic writing] in the 16th century. It has rather spurious connotations and is used primarily in the occult and mystic venues due to the proliferation of angelic appearances, angel rankings and names, an angelic language said to spoken to Enoch, magic incantations, and mystical concepts within it. The Book of Enoch also contradicts the OT. The Book of Enoch [or Watchers] is based in myths and legends.

Enoch 1:9,10 And behold! He cometh with ten thousands of His holy ones to execute judgement upon all, And to destroy all the ungodly: And to convict all flesh of all the works of their ungodliness which they have ungodly committed, and of all the hard things which ungodly sinners have spoken against Him.

Jude 1:14 And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord comes with ten thousands of his saints, to execute judgment on all, and to convince all that are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed, and of all their hard speeches which ungodly sinners have spoken against him.

Please note these differences:

Book of Enoch – “He cometh” [The Holy Great One - Not the Lord God Almighty - uses this exclusive of "The Lord of Spirits" and other "gods" in Heaven - calls angels "holy ones" equating them with The Lord God];
Jude – “The Lord cometh”.

B of Enoch – “His holy ones” [referring to the angels – Enoch 14:23; 60:4];
Jude – “His saints” [referring to believers].

B of Enoch – adds “and to destroy all the ungodly”.

B of Enoch – “to convict all flesh”;
Jude – “to convince all that are ungodly”.

Quote:Enoch, Book of Apocryphal Jewish book that has influenced the kabbalistic tradition and is considered part of the Merkabah mystical literature. There are three versions of The Book of Enoch. The Ethiopian version was first discovered by the Scottish explorer James Bruce in 1773 and is the text most commonly republished. The second version, titled The Book of the Secrets of Enoch, is a Slavonic text and was found in the Belgrade public library by Professor Sokolov in 1886; and English translation was issued in 1896. The Hebrew Enoch, identified as Enoch III, was translated by Hugo Odeberg in 1928. Some versions of Enoch III include lists of the magical names and magical formulae ascribed to the important archangel Metratron, who is regarded by contemporary occultists as the ruler of Kether, the first sephirah on the kabbalistic Tree of Life.

http://books.google.com/books?id=J3UJLig...g#PPA92,M1

[Saltyone]

Obviously , this is not a book written by Enoch. For he was a man who walked with God. Who then wrote this book or where did it come from?

[Vic]

Hi Saltyone,

Glad to see you back. Just a reminder, members are not allowed to start threads or post links until they have 50 posts.

[Saltyone]

(02-08-2011 02:54 PM)Vic Wrote:  Hi Saltyone,

Glad to see you back. Just a reminder, members are not allowed to start threads or post links until they have 50 posts.

Sorry, forgot about that

Its hard to find true believers in Christ!!

[Mary]

(02-08-2011 12:53 PM)Saltyone Wrote:  Obviously , this is not a book written by Enoch. For he was a man who walked with God. Who then wrote this book or where did it come from?

Prof. Daryl Bock has written a book called The Missing Gospels - it gives a really good explanation as to how these "books" are gnostic and are not scripture.

[Saltyone]

(02-08-2011 05:09 PM)Mary Wrote:  Prof. Daryl Bock has written a book called The Missing Gospels - it gives a really good explanation as to how these "books" are gnostic and are not scripture.

Thanks

I looked up some info on The Missing Gospels. It seems to deal with the NT works of Jesus like Gospel of Judas, Gospel of Thomas, the Da Vinci Code and so on. Do you know iif deals with the book of Enoch?

[sheep wrecked]

(02-09-2011 08:00 AM)Saltyone Wrote:  

(02-08-2011 05:09 PM)Mary Wrote:  Prof. Daryl Bock has written a book called The Missing Gospels - it gives a really good explanation as to how these "books" are gnostic and are not scripture.

Thanks

I looked up some info on The Missing Gospels. It seems to deal with the NT works of Jesus like Gospel of Judas, Gospel of Thomas, the Da Vinci Code and so on. Do you know iif deals with the book of Enoch?

There is no known "author" of the Book of Enoch. It is surmised by historians that it was a compiled book by more than one author due to the differences in writing style. It is also estimated that the book was compiled around 300 AD. There were several fragments found with the Dead Sea Scrolls and were translated. I have a list of them and the translations, which show fragments of phrasing and partial verses here and there. From those we only get a very sketchy view of the book's contents.

Some early Christians appear to quote from the book, but because it was not preserved like the Scriptures were, it was general consensus, even by the Jews throughout history, that it is not an inspired book. And of course we know of the contradictions compared to the Bible.

The translations that have filtered down through the last 1500 years differ quite drastically with each other. The translation available today online, through the Hebrew Roots venue, and Christian Book Stores are all the same late [1928] translation [as far as I have seen].

The Book of Enoch as it appears in these translations contradicts the OT drastically. It wanders over into discussing historical events that happened long after Enoch died. It is rather humorous to read "all about the deluge" when Enoch died 65 years before the flood

For instance:

BOE Ch. 2: 3 Behold the summer and the winter, how the whole earth is filled with water, and clouds and dew and rain lie upon it.

If Enoch had written this before the flood, it is news to God

Gen. 2: 5 And every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew: for the LORD God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground. 6 But there went up a mist from the earth, and watered the whole face of the ground.

Gen 7:4 For yet seven days, and I will cause it to rain upon the earth forty days and forty nights; and every living substance that I have made will I destroy from off the face of the earth.

Gen 7:11 In the six hundredth year of Noah's life, in the second month, the seventeenth day of the month, the same day were all the fountains of the great deep broken up, and the windows of heaven were opened.

Just one other really humorous verse:

BOE 13:7 And I went off and sat down at the waters of Dan, in the land of Dan, to the south of the west of Hermon:

It was not till about a 1000 years after the flood of Noah that the nation of Israel was chosen by God at Mt Sinai. The Land of Dan is named after the the tribe of Dan. So how did Enoch go to the land of Dan 1000+ longggggg after his existence here?

The BOE also has Enoch going here and there, after his translation, and writing about it!!!!!!!!!!

[Saltyone]

sheep wrecked
Can you post or send me the list and translations you have??? Thanks