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~~Peter~~ · 03-28-2009, 08:31 PM

DarkGlass1312 has it spot on! Preach it Brother.

The Church has become weak and beggarly and luke-warm. It makes me cry tears of anger to see the Body of Christ in chains of worldly indulgence. Christ's epistle to Laodicea applies to YOU if you do not regard the luxuries of this life as garbage. "No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon." Where is the middle ground in this passage?

Make up your mind, ye double minded! Lest the Lord vomit you out!

It's not about owning a television (although I have not watched TV for years), but about whether or not it is what God requires of you. How can you know what God wants of you in this life if you're watching television instead of Him? Do not begin to say to yourselves "We have Abraham as our Father". I tell you, God can raise up children for Abraham out of these stones! Produce Fruit in accordance with repentance before your tree is hewn down and cast into the fire. For I tell you the axe is already at the root of the tree!

These are the Words of Yeshua to you:

"I know thy works, that thou art neither cold nor hot: I would thou wert cold or hot. So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth. Because thou sayest, I am rich, and increased with goods, and have need of nothing; and knowest not that thou art wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked: I counsel thee to buy of me gold tried in the fire, that thou mayest be rich; and white raiment, that thou mayest be clothed, and that the shame of thy nakedness do not appear; and anoint thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see. As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent. Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me. To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne. He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches."

sheep wrecked · 03-28-2009, 09:12 PM

(03-28-2009 08:31 PM)Peter Wrote: The Church has become weak and beggarly and luke-warm. It makes me cry tears of anger to see the Body of Christ in chains of worldly indulgence.

The religious system is indeed in deep trouble. Jesus was not speaking to His body, but to those who claim to be His but are not living for Him. The body of Christ is not "in chains of worldly indulgence". The Body of Christ is one with Him - we have the mind of Christ.

Mat 7:14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leads to life, and few there be that find it.

~~Peter~~ · 03-28-2009, 11:39 PM

(03-28-2009 09:12 PM)sheep wrecked Wrote:
(03-28-2009 08:31 PM)Peter Wrote: The Church has become weak and beggarly and luke-warm. It makes me cry tears of anger to see the Body of Christ in chains of worldly indulgence.

The religious system is indeed in deep trouble. Jesus was not speaking to His body, but to those who claim to be His but are not living for Him. The body of Christ is not "in chains of worldly indulgence". The Body of Christ is one with Him - we have the mind of Christ.

Mat 7:14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leads to life, and few there be that find it.

If Jesus was not speaking to His Body why did he instruct His Angel to instruct John to write: "And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write..." Revelation 3:14a ??? The Church is the Body of Christ (Ephesians 1:22-23). No. He was talking to the Body of Christ alright. Just to that portion who will have little or no reward :

"Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is. If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward. If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire." 1 Corinthians 13-15

~~LindaR~~ · 03-29-2009, 01:23 AM

(03-28-2009 09:12 PM)sheep wrecked Wrote:
(03-28-2009 08:31 PM)Peter Wrote: The Church has become weak and beggarly and luke-warm. It makes me cry tears of anger to see the Body of Christ in chains of worldly indulgence.

The religious system is indeed in deep trouble. Jesus was not speaking to His body, but to those who claim to be His but are not living for Him. The body of Christ is not "in chains of worldly indulgence". The Body of Christ is one with Him - we have the mind of Christ.

Mat 7:14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leads to life, and few there be that find it.

Jesus wasn't speaking to the Body, but to those who "professed" with their mouth to be His, but were not. Jesus said:

Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity. (Matthew 7:21-23)

Just because someone says they are a Christian, does not mean they are:

Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. Ye shall know them by their fruits. (Matthew 7:15)

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~~Peter~~ · 03-29-2009, 03:37 AM

(03-29-2009 01:23 AM)LindaR Wrote:
(03-28-2009 09:12 PM)sheep wrecked Wrote:
(03-28-2009 08:31 PM)Peter Wrote: The Church has become weak and beggarly and luke-warm. It makes me cry tears of anger to see the Body of Christ in chains of worldly indulgence.

The religious system is indeed in deep trouble. Jesus was not speaking to His body, but to those who claim to be His but are not living for Him. The body of Christ is not "in chains of worldly indulgence". The Body of Christ is one with Him - we have the mind of Christ.

Mat 7:14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leads to life, and few there be that find it.

Jesus wasn't speaking to the Body, but to those who "professed" with their mouth to be His, but were not. Jesus said:

Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity. (Matthew 7:21-23)

Just because someone says they are a Christian, does not mean they are:

Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. Ye shall know them by their fruits. (Matthew 7:15)

I can assure you that there is no need to remind me that there are false apostles, prophets, and teachers among us. I am also aware that the counterfeit christians far out number the Church.

If Christ was not speaking to the Body in His seven letters to the seven Churches then why does John in the introduction to the letter/s refer to himself as the Brother of those to whom the letter is to be sent?

"I John who also am your brother and companion in tribulation and in the kingdom and patience of Jesus Christ was in the isle that is called Patmos for the word of God and for the testimony of Jesus Christ." Revelation 1:9

and what about these four pronouns which John used to identify himself with the recipients of the letter :

"...Unto him that loved us and washed us from our sins in his own blood And hath made us kings and priests..." Revelation 1:5b-6a

Are you trying to tell me that John was not part of the Body?

No.

Christ said what He meant and meant what He said :

"And unto the angel of the Church of the Laodiceans write..." Revelation 3:14

Yes there were already counterfeit christians among them already, but Yeshua gives us no indication that he was addressing unbelievers. Why would He be writing to encourage and edify unbelievers? The word Church is NEVER used as the name for a group of unbelievers anywhere in the Bible.

There is no room for oppinion in the Ministry of the Word. Either God said it or He didn't say it. If He said it, then quote Him. If He didn't say it... then whom are you quoting?

May the Lord Bless you LindaR

Peter.