The Messiah..born of a virgin...
05-23-2011, 10:32 AM
RE: The Messiah..born of a virgin...
(05-22-2011 12:50 PM)Vic Wrote: Sarah YOur logic is not working. That would be like saying how could something that happened 6ooo years ago pertain to Christ....but wasnt' written about until about 4000 years ago....Genesis 1:1
In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. (KJV)
In the beginning....how many years ago did the world begin and exactly how old is the earth? Can you clearly find the answer in Genesis chapter 1 or anywhere in the Bible?
(05-22-2011 12:50 PM)Vic Wrote: In many instances a passage of prophecy can have 1 or 2 verses or more specifically in reference to and pointing to Jesus Christ in amongst other declarations. For example--these are totally about Christ in the midst of other declarations.
These are perfect examples of prophecies that will take place at a vague point in the future. Whereas Isaiah 7 is specific to the fact that it will take place in the very near future.
(05-22-2011 12:50 PM)Vic Wrote: God with us is more than symbolic. It is the meaning of one of the Names of Messiah that is Jesus Christ. That you don't believe that is your choice. But that is what the Scriptures---inspired by God, state.
"Behold, a virgin shall conceive # 2030
2030 hareh (haw-reh'); or hariy (haw-ree'); from 2029; pregnant:
I thought I'd take a look at other verses were 'hareh' was used. Interestingly, the word is used to denote a woman who's presently pregnant or with child. (There is no future tense implications)
And the angel of the LORD said unto her, Behold, thou [art with child #2030 hareh], and shalt bear a son, and shalt call his name Ishmael; because the LORD hath heard thy affliction. (KJV)
1 Sam 4:19
And his daughter in law, Phinehas' wife, [was with child #2030 hareh], near to be delivered: and when she heard the tidings that the ark of God was taken, and that her father in law and her husband were dead, she bowed herself and travailed; for her pains came upon her. (KJV)
Like as a woman [with child #2030 hareh], that draweth near the time of her delivery, is in pain, and crieth out in her pangs; so have we been in thy sight, O LORD. (KJV)
(05-22-2011 12:50 PM)Vic Wrote: You have to actually believe the Scriptures to be of God in order to understand them. That is why you deny them repeatedly and look for all manner of excuses why they can't be true. Because to believe them means you have to believe Christ and who HE IS.
I believe the truth is in the Scriptures. And I don't intentionally look for discrepancies, but I try to reconcile the ones I've found.
I can't prove that the Scriptures have been handled fraudulently because we don't have the orginals. And whomever it was who saw it fit to destroy the original holy documents, God will rightly judge them.
(05-11-2011 02:33 PM)Vic Wrote: That's because you have chosen to not believe the Truth. Every person makes that choice. We have these many warnings, and they are all related to knowing who Jesus Christ is.
I think these verses are possibly speaking against the gnostics who believed that Christ was only a spirit, and had not come in the flesh.
I am not denying that Christ came in the flesh. I am denying that a spirit conceived a child in a human being, thus I am denying that God breaks the very laws of nature, that He Himself put into place.
(05-11-2011 02:33 PM)Vic Wrote: Part of your problem Sarah is you like to ignore the passages which would prove you wrong. What did Jesus say--who, according to your statements above must be a liar....But Jesus said, John the Baptist fulfilled those very prophecies including the one about Elijah.
I know what Jesus said about John being Elijah, and that is why I'm trying to reconcile why John would answer no when asked if he was Elijah. I see it as a discrepancy to be resolved.
(05-11-2011 02:33 PM)Vic Wrote: Endless and pointless speculation Sarah. It doesn't matter why he asked. Because you certainly don't know the mindset or reason, nor will you accept anything but your own private interpretation--which goes against the scriptures which you don't believe anyway. But we do know Jesus declared He was the fulfillment of prophecy, the Messiah, and He declared to the people who John really was.
That's an authoritarian viewpoint--No individual may have an interpretation apart from the church:
Is that what the Master said?
And, behold, a certain lawyer stood up, and tempted him, saying, Master, what shall I do to inherit eternal life? He said unto him, What is written in the law? how readest thou? (KJV)
(05-11-2011 02:33 PM)Vic Wrote: NO Sarah, there is no heavy yoke in Christ. Believing the Scriptures which are God's Word to us, is no burden. If you don't believe the Scriptures you cannot believe God. Because He said all Scriptures were given by HIs inspiration. He said no prophecy is of private interpretation--meaning it wasn't just given by vain imagination or personal interpretation. It is fully understood via the understanding by the HOly Spirit.
Is God constrained to a book? I don't think so. His word is present in every part of creation, and is that which proceeds from Him.
Yes, God has given prophecies and written words to mankind, but is that His only means of speaking to us?
I can see the point you are making from the Scripture verses you have chosen below. However, consider that very some book teaches of those who were predestined to know Him.
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RE: The Messiah..born of a virgin... - sari83 - 05-23-2011 10:32 AM
Isaiah 7:14 - Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, - Steven Avery - 06-06-2011, 01:49 PM
RE: Isaiah 7:14 - Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, - Vic - 06-07-2011, 10:58 AM
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