The Messiah..born of a virgin...

[sari83]

(05-23-2011 12:30 PM)Vic Wrote:  Just a few questions before I take the time to do another circular and pointless posting with you Sarah.

If I read something and it doesn't fit in with the other pieces to the puzzle, (even if it's in the bible) I'm not afraid to question, and hopefully gain a further understanding. From this, you perceive me as someone whom it is "pointless" to discuss biblical matters with. Obviously, as a believer my stance is not an easy one.

(05-23-2011 12:30 PM)Vic Wrote:  Is there any thing anyone says concerning the Scriptures that you actually believe and call true?

Of course there is. I don't think I have been argumentative except in these few areas where the explanations do not satisfy my original questions.

(05-23-2011 12:30 PM)Vic Wrote:  Is there anything that is said here, aside from the ones you walk with in agreement who are not Christian---obviously--that you are not going to dismiss, say is wrong, say is inaccurate, out of context, etc??

I haven't been in dialogue with many others here. So, I'm not sure who these non-Christians you are referring to are?! But--what can be seen from my posts is that I certainly don't dismiss all the information that is presented. I see nothing wrong with analyzing the context of what is written, and whether it fits in with all the other pieces. You see it as blasphemy, and so would many others because of the doctrine of biblical inerrancy. (The belief that the Bible has no errors)

(05-23-2011 12:30 PM)Vic Wrote:  Since you have claimed to have only studied the OT for 9 years---and really clearly now claim this incredible expertise and understanding that dismisses Biblical truths as fast as they are presented to you, as invalid or whatever other reason you can come up with and imagine, is there any point trying to discuss anything with you?

It is true; I have been greatly blessed with a immensity of time to study over these past 9 years. I don't claim any expertise though. The virgin birth is the only "biblical truth" that I have completely dismissed thus far in our discussions.

(05-23-2011 12:30 PM)Vic Wrote:  Obviously unless we agree with your unbelief of the Scriptures and that Jesus was not Divine and God manifest in the flesh, born of virgin and so on, you are going to continue to dismiss all those Scriptures that prove who He IS. Which encompasses a lot of Scriptures--which you must also dismiss. And it has absolutely nothing to do with what the "church" teaches. It has everything to do with the TRUTH of the Scriptures.

The only thing I don't believe is that the Bible as we have it today, in all of it's many translations, is without error.

(05-23-2011 12:30 PM)Vic Wrote:  But please, do clarify if there is any point pursuing any discussion with you. Because it is you who is walking in and spewing unbelief about Jesus Christ and the Word of God.

If this is not the place to discuss scriptural matters objectively, I completely understand, and will discontinue in discussions immediately.

One last note, here are some verses in Hebrews that clearly explain who Jesus is, and in simplest terms:

Heb 2:10-18
For it became him, for whom are all things, and by whom are all things, in bringing many sons unto glory, to make the captain of their salvation perfect through sufferings. For both he that sanctifieth and they who are sanctified are all of one: for which cause he is not ashamed to call them brethren, Saying, I will declare thy name unto my brethren, in the midst of the church will I sing praise unto thee. And again, I will put my trust in him. And again, Behold I and the children which God hath given me. Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil;And deliver them who through fear of death were all their lifetime subject to bondage.For verily he took not on him the nature of angels; but he took on him the seed of Abraham. Wherefore in all things it behoved him to be made like unto his brethren, that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people. For in that he himself hath suffered being tempted, he is able to succour them that are tempted.
(KJV)