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Sarah, every forum has issues where if someone joins, they are given one account. To have two people with identical ips--not just one, but two identical ips usually means someone is trying to run two aliases on a forum. You were given opportunity to explain yourself. And your arm does not appear too broken to have been unable to post a reply via an email or pm, since you are quite capable of having posted lengthy and over 130 posts. So the onus is on you to have replied appropriately. Most duplicate accounts are deleted and the person banned. I was giving you and "MO" the opportunity to clarify you have the same address as well as the same network. No big deal. Simple as pie to clarify.

And quite frankly, in your responses, you never actually address the heart of the issue, but sidestep and redirect. You are quite proficient at it. Because in your response about knowing bill, the statement you were responding too and quoted was about being in doctrinal agreement and having read his website etc. Which fully stands to reason.

Quote:I actually remember this discussion. This statement should be put in its correct context. It is a response to a question concerning how women view Paul's writings that say women should be silent in church, and only learn from their husbands. However, my response is that I never took those sayings to heart; Especially in light of 1 cor. 11 which speaks of women prophesying in public.

That topic was such, yes. But you said, you never took Paul's writings to heart. Not those specific ones only. And quite frankly you don't believe them. Because you deny his writings--and that has been proven throughout this forum--such as :

Phil 2:5 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus: 6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God: 7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:

1 Timothy 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

Col 1:15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.

1Corinthians 15:45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit. 46 Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual. 47 The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven.

And that's aside from all the other doctrine and Scripture you reject as truth.

Quote:The "shared network" comment is the exact truth. I would have felt more comfortable if you'd directed the questions about the personal details of my life in a private message.

As noted above, there was nothing keeping you from contacting me and clarifying this issue privately. BUt you have never been private on the net with those who use 'yahuah'. Have you? And quite frankly you have presented a lot of 'private' information out on the net, that anyone can pick up if they so choose.

Sarah, You have never been 'private' on the internet. You have been more than open about yourself and where you are at. Except sometimes on here. For example, and anyone can read this stuff out on the internet:

nazarite.net "book of life' guestbook.
Entry: #679
Full Name: Sarah Valdes
Location: Tennessee
Referred: From a Link
Favorite: Messianic Judaism
Comments: It's great to see how Yahuah is delivering his people from darkness. I'm so thankful to have been freed by the power of truth. May you be blessed for delivering such a powerful message of truth in the name of Yahuah!
Sunday, April 12th 2009 - 09:41:18 AM

Followers of Yah guestbook
April 7th 2009 10:58:44 PM
What is your name? Sarah
How did you find this website? searching on google for others who use the true name Yahuah
Where are you from? TN
What information is most helpful on this site?
The false armageddon and the imposter I find thoroughly interesting and insightful. The study on the feasts and how the spring feasts have been fulfilled was something I hadn't realized before and was very helpful.
Please enter your comments? How great it is to find people truly following Yahushua and speaking the truth that can only be found in his word. Shalom
email::: ***same as you use here with your full name

And please notice you were on Followers of Yah before nazarite.net

So please, spare us the concept that you were being private. And that is aside from what can be gleaned by what you have openly posted in the tribute, and what you, yourself have volunteered in this forum.

Quote: In all truth, everything that I've read in the scriptures and learned in my life, teaches me that you have to actually know a person in real life to judge their works, and see their real life actions.

Well, Sarah, in all truth, the Scriptures say we are to use righteous judgment which comes from using the Word of God to discern between good and evil, truth and error. Trying the spirits is a spiritual issue based on what a person believes or rejects or denies. Jesus did not say we have to personally know a person physically--being in the same room ---we are knowing you physically via the words you write and what you convey to us. If you are being straightforward, we can discern who you are based on your doctrine you present here. That's why we are to present ourselves clearly and say things honest before others.

Mat 12:31 Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men.
Mat 12:32 And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come.
Mat 12:33 Either make the tree good, and his fruit good; or else make the tree corrupt, and his fruit corrupt: for the tree is known by his fruit.
Mat 12:34 O generation of vipers, how can ye, being evil, speak good things? for out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaketh.
Mat 12:35 A good man out of the good treasure of the heart bringeth forth good things: and an evil man out of the evil treasure bringeth forth evil things.

Mat 3:10 And now also the axe is laid unto the root of the trees: therefore every tree which bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.

Mat 7:15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
Mat 7:16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
Mat 7:17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.
Mat 7:18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
Mat 7:19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
Mat 7:20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.

Luk 6:43 For a good tree bringeth not forth corrupt fruit; neither doth a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
Luk 6:44 For every tree is known by his own fruit. For of thorns men do not gather figs, nor of a bramble bush gather they grapes.
Luk 6:45 A good man out of the good treasure of his heart bringeth forth that which is good; and an evil man out of the evil treasure of his heart bringeth forth that which is evil: for of the abundance of the heart his mouth speaketh.

The fruit is evident in a person by what they say/write and what they believe. You deny the truth of the Scriptures and who Jesus Christ is. Therefore your fruit is known and shown. That is a choice you have made.

Quote:When I posted on the threads you'd created, such as the virgin birth, I assumed that they were open to be freely discussed and my intentions were to share my viewpoint, and clearly explain my thoughts and considerations on the matters. I tried my best to answer all of the questions presented to me, and to answer things reasonably. I highly appreciate those who took the time to respond civily and respectfully.

Honestly, I am not offended by the personal attacks and insults. I know that you and others on this forum are being true to your beliefs. I'm thankful for the time I spent here. I wish the best to all of you.

Nice try Sarah. All threads are intended for discussion, hence the 'discussion forum'. However, allowing heresies to be posted and hence refuted is part of what this forum is about, and it also means we are held to account to the Scriptures about how long to allow false doctrine to be diseminated by such as yourself, and when it is no longer of use or edifying to anyone. That's why you were given the opportunity to reveal your 'fruit'. And you did show your heresies and did it without batting an eye at the scriptures you reject.

Being held accountable to the Scriptures is not a personal attack Sarah. It is part of proving all things, refuting, rebuking, correcting with the Word of God and facts. Being direct about such things isn't readily liked. That you don't like it, and want to be perceived as a victim of unfair or unkind refutations, doesn't change it is a necessary part of standing in defense of the Truth of Jesus Christ and the Word of God.

You don't need to be condescending to us poor Christians who are just doing all this against you because we are just duped into our errant beliefs. You did not answer the majority of the refutations Sarah. Oh you did post, but you totally, in most cases, were proficient in ignoring, dismissing, sidestepping, and redirecting to another idea and concept--I think your word would be you manipulated the discussions--or attempted to. Believe me when I say, if I were to list all the questions you were asked and totally did not answer, or the scriptures and facts---we could start a whole new thread dedicated to that and have it go many pages. And just as you tried to make this thread something different than what it is about.

Mat 7:15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
Mat 7:16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
Mat 7:17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.

Mat 7:20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.