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Mo MHuintir · 05-02-2011, 11:16 PM

Moses said it himself, as far as the Torah directly given to him by God; "he added no more."
He added no more to the 10 commandments.
Knowing that, believe me, I am not left out of anything. Quite the opposite is true. I find it liberating to be lead by the Holy Spirit and to see the truth. I enjoy studying the Bible more and more, even when I see a discrepency or a falsehood.

The Bible can serve two purposes. It can set the reader free by the power of the truth of God's word; or it can be used to bind and subjugate people under the mechanical system of a religion.
In fact, the Latin root for the word religion is where we get the English word ligament from, meaning to bind. Religion = re-binding.

A person may pick up a Bible and be set free by the word of God, and then here comes the "religionist" who says, you are not free to interpret that Bible on your own, after all we have dogma's and doctrines (effectively re-binding the individual that was just set free.)

Why else did Jesus say:

But be not ye called Rabbi: for one is your Master, even Christ; and all ye are brethren.
And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.
Neither be ye called masters: for one is your Master, even Christ. Matt 23:8-10 KJV

Unless to set you free from religion. Especially the one that had formed in his day, which would become known as Judaism (Pharisaic Hebraism).

I have one Father, God; and I have one master, Christ. I don't need to go through any man.

The Roman Catholic Church has a priestly maxim, which is engraved above the door of a monestary from 1000 AD. (I believe it is St Victors in Hugo, France)

Disce primum quod credendum est.
Learn first of what is to be believed.

In other words, we will teach you what to believe.
I can say from experience, that is the true sentiment of most denomoinations.

***Vic*** · 05-05-2011, 09:54 PM

Referring to Post 112 by Mo MHuintir >>>

Bill, I was in no way belittling you. You people need to quit playing victims and start taking things as part of any discussion. This is an apologetics forum and it is a very serious discussion because you are overturning the Truth of the Scriptures and so much more, and that is all being evaluated. And at the risk of Ne'aryah {and any others} complaining about my 'infamous lengthy posts', study does not mean drive through reading or drivel. It means studying and allowing the Scriptures to interpret the Scriptures. It means taking the time to prayerfully consider and think things through, not just tossing in some conjecture or opinion and expecting it to be swallowed hook, line and sinker. I tend to answer what people post as thoroughly as possible so if you don't want answers that are indepth or that answer what is being said, don't post. And I tend to ask questions I actually would like answers to. If you don't like that, please don't post.

I was stating that the reason the 'in vain' was translated as such was because of the context due to the knowledge and expertise of the translators. It was in reference to them having that skill,--as a group and in committees-- as the reason they chose 'in vain.' It was a large group of scholars well versed in Hebrew and all the languages necessary to translate the Scriptures. It was not based on their own opinion. It was based on that knowledge.

The point is in choosing something done in vain is to make the point that by Israel being in rebellion and disobedient to the law, while claiming and boasting they were righteous because they had been given the law, that it seemed God had given them the law in vain, just as their writing it down was in vain--because they rejected it. As was clearly stated in the following verse about them having 'rejected' it. It did not say they changed it. You were given examples of the use of 'in vain' in similar context which you totally ignore as having no meaning. Nor does the context of Jeremiah appear to have effect in your doctrine.

NKJV does not translate everything the same. There are changes to doctrine at times. It's your choice if you agree with that.

Quote:I believe this was the commandment written on the first two tablets given to Moses at Mount Sinai. The Hebrews could not receive this Torah (in their hearts) because they were a stiffnecked people. So they were given the law of Moses, the 10 commandments; which was derived by subdividing the original Torah into 10 do’s and don’ts.

God chose Israel out of all mankind, not because they were special but because they weren't. He made them unique and a 'peculiar' people because of what they were required to do different than the rest of the world. From changing of what they could eat, to how they worshipped and obeyed God. The law was given to guide them into doing the things that God decreed as important for them as a People set apart for Him.

If, as you say, the rabbis are responsible for the original 603--which is a rabbinic count for all the various laws and statutes btw, but which count varies depending on who is followed, then we should be able to prove by the Scriptures that the very same prophets who you would have to claim as being obedient to God when they rebuked and warned
about the rebellion and disobedience to that law, would not have sourced anything but the portion which was the ten commandments. Everything else must have been a lie implanted by the lying scribes, and or including Moses, and it has been there since "Nimrod"?

Since it is fully recognised that those writings in the first five books are of Moses hand--by all those prophets including Jeremiah.

So... if it's known then that the laws weren't originally recognised or written by Moses, then we should be able to see that God warned the prophets to warn the people to not follow what Moses, his servant, said or what was being attributed to Him having told Moses to write. Or that there would be clear notification in some manner that the prophets would declare only the ten commandments need be followed. Because we know God certainly knew which were His commandments to Israel, don't we? And we know the Scriptures say that the Scriptures were fully inspired by God, or perhaps not, according to you. But we know that God was leading Israel to follow Him and proclaim Him to the nations so what they did was very important.

I gave you several scriptures which you dismissed. I will bring them here and because it's from the writings of those inspired by and of God--which you either must say they were of God or were part of the conspiracy of lying scribes, priests and prophets.

We know that Ezra and Nehemiah, for example, sourced the book of Moses, in

2Ch 25:4 But he slew not their children, but did as it is written in the law in the book of Moses, where the LORD commanded, saying, The fathers shall not die for the children, neither shall the children die for the fathers, but every man shall die for his own sin.

> source for the fathers shall not die >>>
Deu 24:16 The fathers shall not be put to death for the children, neither shall the children be put to death for the fathers: every man shall be put to death for his own sin.
.............
2Ch 35:12 And they removed the burnt offerings, that they might give according to the divisions of the families of the people, to offer unto the LORD, as it is written in the book of Moses. And so did they with the oxen.
2Ch 35:13 And they roasted the passover with fire according to the ordinance: but the other holy offerings sod they in pots, and in caldrons, and in pans, and divided them speedily among all the people.

>>>>source for the burnt offerings and divisions >>

Exo 10:25 And Moses said, Thou must give us also sacrifices and burnt offerings, that we may sacrifice unto the LORD our God.
Exo 10:26 Our cattle also shall go with us; there shall not an hoof be left behind; for thereof must we take to serve the LORD our God; and we know not with what we must serve the LORD, until we come thither.
Exo 29:1-46, 36:1-40:38; Lev 9:22, etc
...............
>>>>Ezr 6:16 And the children of Israel, the priests, and the Levites, and the rest of the children of the captivity, kept the dedication of this house of God with joy,
Ezr 6:17 And offered at the dedication of this house of God an hundred bullocks, two hundred rams, four hundred lambs; and for a sin offering for all Israel, twelve he goats, according to the number of the tribes of Israel.
Ezr 6:18 And they set the priests in their divisions, and the Levites in their courses, for the service of God, which is at Jerusalem; as it is written in the book of Moses.
Ezr 6:19 And the children of the captivity kept the passover upon the fourteenth day of the first month.

>>The offerings and sin offering is found in Exodus 12:6-36, see also Ezra 3:3, passover Exodus 12

>>> Ezra the priest who directed the children of Israel from their captivity back to obedience to following God and abiding the law of Moses. Ezra who compiled and collected all the sacred writings which became canon, from Genesis 1 forward, then also must be dismissed including all the books he wrote as God lead by the Holy Spirit. That would mean the book of Ezra, and 1 & 2 Chronicles; Nehemiah which was at first compiled with Ezra, was separate.

>Neh 13:1 On that day they read in the book of Moses in the audience of the people; and therein was found written, that the Ammonite and the Moabite should not come into the congregation of God for ever; ...
Neh 13:3 Now it came to pass, when they had heard the law, that they separated from Israel all the mixed
multitude. [/b]

>>that's found in
Deu 23:3 An Ammonite or Moabite shall not enter into the congregation of the LORD; even to their tenth generation shall they not enter into the congregation of the LORD for ever: [/b]

>>so Nehemiah was either a true priest/prophet of God and warning the people to go back to obedience of the Law, or he was a deceiver. Which means,based on your conjecture, that eliminates Nehemiah as a reliable book in the Hebrew Scriptures.

Every part of Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers and Deuteronomy must be dumped because they have been tainted by the wretched Scribes and since Moses only wrote the 10 commandments according to you, all dialogue and commands by God to Moses in those books must be suspect as being falsified because they all pertain to the "603" made up laws that were inserted by lying scribes according to your analysis.

For example:

Exo 19:9 And the LORD said unto Moses, Lo, I come unto thee in a thick cloud, that the people may hear when I speak with thee, and believe thee for ever. And Moses told the words of the people unto the LORD.
Exo 19:10 And the LORD said unto Moses, Go unto the people, and sanctify them to day and to morrow, and let them wash their clothes,
Exo 19:11 And be ready against the third day: for the third day the LORD will come down in the sight of all the people upon mount Sinai.

Lev 11:43 Ye shall not make yourselves abominable with any creeping thing that creepeth, neither shall ye make yourselves unclean with them, that ye should be defiled thereby.
Lev 11:44 For I am the LORD your God: ye shall therefore sanctify yourselves, and ye shall be holy; for I am holy: neither shall ye defile yourselves with any manner of creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
Lev 11:45 For I am the LORD that bringeth you up out of the land of Egypt, to be your God: ye shall therefore be holy, for I am holy.
Lev 11:46 This is the law of the beasts, and of the fowl, and of every living creature that moveth in the waters, and of every creature that creepeth upon the earth:

That must be all lies, and so every book, every prophet, every priest, every king that referenced the law, other than the ten commandments, must also be deceived or blatant liars and they must have known it was all lies made up by those wicked unnamed scribes. That includes David.

Psalm Psa 20:1 <To the chief Musician, A Psalm of David.> The LORD hear thee in the day of trouble; the name of the God of Jacob defend thee;
Psa 20:2 Send thee help from the sanctuary, and strengthen thee out of Zion;
Psa 20:3 Remember all thy offerings, and accept thy burnt sacrifice; Selah.

Psa 66:13 I will go into thy house with burnt offerings: I will pay thee my vows,
Psa 66:14 Which my lips have uttered, and my mouth hath spoken, when I was in trouble.
Psa 66:15 I will offer unto thee burnt sacrifices of fatlings, with the incense of rams; I will offer bullocks with goats. Selah.

Psalm 81: 4 Blow the horn at the new moon, at the full moon for our feast-day.
ה כִּי חֹק לְיִשְׂרָאֵל הוּא; מִשְׁפָּט, לֵאלֹהֵי יַעֲקֹב. 5
For it is a statute for Israel, an ordinance of the God of Jacob.

Solomon, the man of renowned God given wisdom must also have been deceived, because we see---

2Ch 8:12 Then Solomon offered burnt offerings unto the LORD on the altar of the LORD, which he had built before the porch,
2Ch 8:13 Even after a certain rate every day, offering according to the commandment of Moses, on the sabbaths, and on the new moons, and on the solemn feasts, three times in the year, even in the feast of unleavened bread, and in the feast of weeks, and in the feast of tabernacles.
2Ch 8:14 And he appointed, according to the order of David his father, the courses of the priests to their service, and the Levites to their charges, to praise and minister before the priests, as the duty of every day required: the porters also by their courses at every gate: for so had David the man of God commanded.
2Ch 8:15 And they departed not from the commandment of the king unto the priests and Levites concerning any matter, or concerning the treasures.

That means dumping Solomon's writings, because he apparently wasn't so wise after all. That means:

Pro 1:1 The proverbs of Solomon the son of David, king of Israel; Son 1:1 The song of songs, which is Solomon's. ; and possibly Ecclesiastes, which must be dumped anyway because it may have been written by Solomon.

Ezekiel quotes the teachings of the law > for example Ezekiel 45, so that means that Ezekiel must be dumped as well for being deceived and could not have been a prophet of God.

Kings must also be dumped as being of God because it also sources the law and promotes , the keeping of the passover according to what was written in the law of Moses for example (and it's a record of Solomon etc so since that's pointless now...)> 2 Kings 23

1Ki 2:3 And keep the charge of the LORD thy God, to walk in his ways, to keep his statutes, and his commandments, and his judgments, and his testimonies, as it is written in the law of Moses, that thou mayest prosper in all that thou doest, and whithersoever thou turnest thyself: [/b]

>>>which is meaning and sourcing > Deu 29:9; Deu 4:1, Deu 4:5, Deu 4:8, Deu 5:1, Deu 6:1-2;
Deu 4:44 And this is the law which Moses set before the children of Israel:
Deu 4:45 These are the testimonies, and the statutes, and the judgments, which Moses spake unto the children of Israel, after they came forth out of Egypt,

Joshua which you sourced must be dumped because he also sourced the book of Moses for burnt offerings etc.
For example :

Jos 8:31 As Moses the servant of the LORD commanded the children of Israel, as it is written in the book of the law of Moses, an altar of whole stones, over which no man hath lift up any iron: and they offered thereon burnt offerings unto the LORD, and sacrificed peace offering

Jos 8:33 And all Israel, and their elders, and officers, and their judges, stood on this side the ark and on that side before the priests the Levites, which bare the ark of the covenant of the LORD,as well the stranger, as he that was born among them; half of them over against mount Gerizim, and half of them over against mount Ebal; as
Moses the servant of the LORD had commanded before, that they should bless the people of Israel.
Jos 8:34 And afterward he read all the words of the law, the blessings and cursings, according to all that is written in the book of the law.
Jos 8:35 There was not a word of all that Moses commanded, which Joshua read not before all the congregation of Israel, with the women, and the little ones, and the strangers that were conversant among them.

Jos 22:4 And now the LORD your God hath given rest unto your brethren, as he promised them: therefore now return ye, and get you unto your tents, and unto the land of your possession, which Moses the servant of the LORD gave you on the other side Jordan.
Jos 22:5 But take diligent heed to do the commandment and the law, which Moses the servant of the LORD charged you, to love the LORD your God, and to walk in all his ways, and to keep his commandments, and to cleave unto him, and to serve him with all your heart and with all your soul.

Judges also sources the law of Moses so we must conclude it also must be dumped as invalid and corrupt , for example >

Jdg 21:4 And it came to pass on the morrow, that the people rose early, and built there an altar, and offered burnt offerings and peace offerings.

> all based on Exodus 20

1& 2 Samuel must also be dumped because it was about obedience and disobedience to the Lord via the right sacrifices and burnt offerings according to the law of Moses.

Job must be dumped because he also offered burnt offerings according to what was written in the law. Job 42:8;

Isaiah 1 and 66 all speak of the vanity of those in rebellion giving the burnt offerings, so we can assume Isaiah must be dumped as having believed they should have been given according to the law of Moses.

Jeremiah must also be dumped because he speaks of obeying the law of Moses and honoring the sabbath and giving burnt offerings that are acceptable because of obedience to God. Jeremiah 17...

The sabbath>>>>Exo_16:23-29, etc

Malachi also

Mal 4:4 Remember ye the law of Moses my servant, which I commanded unto him in Horeb for all Israel, with the statutes and judgments.
Mal 4:5 Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the LORD:

continued..............

***Vic*** · 05-05-2011, 10:07 PM

etc...

That means all the Messianic prophecies are all lies too, including the feasts, [since they are all in the Law of Moses] as being a shadow of things to come--meaning pointing to Christ.

And what is there to say about Jesus or the apostles quoting from the phony and wretched writings of the lying scribes who made up the laws of Moses and not saying it was all false?

Surely God manifest in the flesh would know the Law was phony and written by lying scribes?

And of course reference to the feasts for example, as being fufilled and having been a shadow of things to come...well we know that was all lies and those who spoke those things-

--well are they, the apostles and Christ, deceivers and deceived then too, Bill?

Joh 5:46 For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me: for he wrote of me.
Joh 5:47 But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words? [/b]

Mat 5:38 Ye have heard that it hath been said, An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth:
Mat 5:39 But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also. [/b]

that's from > Exo 21:24 Eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot,
Exo 21:25 Burning for burning, wound for wound, stripe for stripe.

Joh 7:19 Did not Moses give you the law, and yet none of you keepeth the law? Why go ye about to kill me?

Joh 7:22 Moses therefore gave unto you circumcision; (not because it is of Moses, but of the fathers;) and ye on the sabbath day circumcise a man.
Joh 7:23 If a man on the sabbath day receive circumcision, that the law of Moses should not be broken; are ye angry at me, because I have made a man every whit whole on the sabbath day?

> circumcision > Gen 17:10-14; Lev 12:3

Joh 8:5 Now Moses in the law commanded us, that such should be stoned: but what sayest thou?

Act 3:22 For Moses truly said unto the fathers, A prophet shall the Lord your God raise up unto you of your brethren, like unto me; him shall ye hear in all things whatsoever he shall say unto you.
Act 3:23 And it shall come to pass, that every soul, which will not hear that prophet, shall be destroyed from among the people.
Act 3:24 Yea, and all the prophets from Samuel and those that follow after, as many as have spoken, have likewise foretold of these days.

Joh 1:45 Philip findeth Nathanael, and saith unto him, We have found him, of whom Moses in the law, and the prophets, did write, Jesus of Nazareth, the son of Joseph.

>>>that's from Deu 18:15-19

And what of Jesus being our Passover Lamb, since the Passover was all a lie given by lying scribes....all a lie.

According to you Bill, it's all lies, and has to be with the premise that the Law, except for the 10 commandments, is every bit a deception by lying scribes. Every person that sources those writings, other than the 10 commandments, has fallen for a lie. That means every prophet, every book written in the Hebrew Bible and most of the NT is based on a lie. That's what has to happen if someone tampered with and inserted those writings and attributed them to Moses ---who wrote them to begin with. Or Moses was not of God.

Paleo Hebrew was not the original language things were written in Bill. Hebrew as an “original” language of the Bible did not exist prior to 900 BCE. Hebrew evolved from a “pagan” language – proto Canaanite/Akkadian and contains Greek, Egyptian, Aramaic, and Chaldean loan words and was known as Hebrew after 900BCE. Even in David's time it was not Hebrew, but still referred to as proto-canaanite by language historians and archaeologists.

Hebrew is a language that evolved historically from the proto Canaanite (1400 bce) into Phoenician (1050 bce) then into paleo, middle, and late Hebrew, which finally ended up becoming the Biblical Hebrew (with vowels) that we find today in the Masoretic text.

Paleo does not give how to say words incidentally, nor does it give vowels. One had to already know how to speak the languages as they were passed down from one generation to the next. Are you fluent in proto-Canaanite and Phoenician which were the languages used before evolving into Paleo Hebrew, then middle and late Hebrew? Are you fluent in Aramaic, Chaldean, Egyptian etc, as well?

Quote:I believe what Joshua wrote here was the 10 commandments, and not the 22,600+ words said to be the Law of Moses. This is what has been falsified by the scribes. Especially all that which encompasses the practice of redundant animal sacrifices.

Quote:If God didn’t command them in this matter, where did the idea come from? Simple, it belongs to the worship of the goddess Innana. Archaeologists discovered the Vase of Urak during an dig in Shinar.. The people of Uruk (founded by Nimrod, Gen 10:10) worshipped the Moon God Nanna (also known as Sin, as in Mount Sinai), the Moon Goddess Ningal, and her daughter Innana (also referred to as the Queen of Heaven or the Queen of the South). Depicted on the vase (1700 years before the Exodus) are the same offerings and sacrifices the Hebrews were allegedly commanded to perform. Who was it that first offered sacrifices to God after the Exodus? Moses? No, it was Jethro, the High Priest of Midian (a polytheistic pagan).

LOL So you have got it all figured out do you, Bill? God spoke to Moses and told him what to write. What you are missing is the spiritual application and needed heart attitude for those things to mean anything. It wasn't the acts of those things, it was the heart health-a contrite heart, obedience to God, and doing what was commanded out of love for Him. That was the issue that the people were missing. The Scriptures I mentioned above also go into all those same sacrifices that pleased Him.

Including the first acceptable sacrifice recorded in Scripture, that was from Abel, and not Cain. Long before Moses and the Exodus took place...if I have my history in the right order.

Gen 4:4 And Abel, he also brought of the firstlings of his flock and of the fat thereof. And the LORD had respect unto Abel and to his offering:
Gen 4:5 But unto Cain and to his offering he had not respect. And Cain was very wroth, and his countenance fell.

So you are incorrect in saying God did not desire those things. BUT. He wanted the spirit behind the offerings to be right. He certainly didn't need any of it as He mentioned that in Psalm 50 and other places. But He wanted the heart that loved Him and would obey Him even in those most detailed things at that time. And time and again God accepted those things when done with the right heart and then fully rejected and rebuked them as worthless by those who were in rebellion or following after false gods etc. Or as Jeremiah said, they rejected God's Word all the while claiming they were righteous by it. So in vain the scribes who were guardians of it, were writing it up, and not living it. They paid lip service to it but it meant nothing in their lives other than a badge of honor. And that's the message you are totally misinterpreting in those verses you listed where God is not pleased with their vain offerings and such. It was an affront to Him for anyone to make a sacrfice without the correct attitude and life living for Him. It's called hypocrisy.

Let's see, after the flood where God had destroyed all mankind except for 8 people, we can assume that God made it clear what He wanted from them. Here's what Noah did, long before Nimrod and Moses came along:

Gen 8:20 And Noah builded an altar unto the LORD; and took of every clean beast, and of every clean fowl, and offered burnt offerings on the altar.
Gen 8:21 And the LORD smelled a sweet savour; and the LORD said in his heart, I will not again curse the ground any more for man's sake; for the imagination of man's heart is evil from his youth; neither will I again smite any more every thing living, as I have done.

There's those nasty burnt offerings of all those beasts that the lying scribes inserted into the Book even before the Exodus took place, and "the LORD smelled a sweet savour; ". So God honored those burnt offerings given by Noah of all those 'clean' animals, by saying He would never curse the ground anymore,

"neither will I again smite any more every thing living, as I have done. 22 While the earth remaineth, seedtime and harvest, and cold and heat, and summer and winter, and day and night shall not cease.

And you think Nimrod was the Hebrew precedent for sacrifice; and that sacrifice and burnt offerings were all based on that as given by Moses? Too funny, really. Nimrod, incidently, began his kingdom in Babel aka Babylon... and well, the tower of Babel was his thing....

Quote:Vic, I don’t want to confuse your zeal for the truth with antagonism, but are you deliberately trying to confuse the issue? What do the scribes of Jeremiah’s day have to do with the Masoretes lying about the vowel points? They are separated by 500 or more years. Is there a Bible scholar, or Rabbi for that matter; that has not said (or wrote) that the Masoretes removed the correct pointing of Yhwh and placed instead (underneath) a shewa and a cholem; to achieve the pronunciation of Yehovah.
My earlier point was, even though this information has been publically known for at least 170 years, you insist that Ye Ho is the correct pronunciation.

As I stated earlier, I am responding to your posts. This is an apologetics forum. What you are doing is attempting to overturn the Scriptures. Don't misinterpret defense of Truth as antagonism. I am totally focused on what you are suggesting. The scribes of Jeremiah's day according to you, didn't change the law--they were merely "inspired' to sound the alarm that the original law was changed from just the ten commandments---although that isn't what the verse states at all. Even if you attribute the verse to mean the scribes changed it, it would have to have been changed about a 1000 years prior--when Nimrod roamed the earth since that is where you attribute the sacrifices and such to have come from--even though that is proven Scripturally incorrect. Think Abel and Noah. And. Because all the priests and prophets proclaimed it's use throughout the history in the Bible and other historical sources records it's use.

The point about the Masoretes lying---Bill, according to you there has been lying scribes since the inception of the law given by Moses. So the entire history has to have been relegated by liars. It's the only way for it to have stood the test of time. Because you yourself said there were prophets of God---so how come they didn't warn the people to not follow the lies, if they were of God. God called Israel to be a people set apart, not to be deceived right out of the gate. How come the rebellion and disobedience to the law and commandments and ordinances was what was brought forward time and again by God as having been vanity. You misinterpret the Scriptures Bill. Every Scripture I listed above that needs to be dumped is pretty much the whole Bible because according to you, the law recorded as given by Moses is all lies. Therefore Bill, you have attempted to destroy the foundations of trust in the Scriptures, in the prophets, the Psalms, in the writings and totally in the Messianic prophecies and Christ. All because you cannot accept that the context and two words used in one verse in Jeremiah mean what they mean, and instead you want to change the Scriptures, add to and take away from them. That's the end result. And that's who you are Bill.

Bill, I gave you scholarly information about the Masoretes. I gave you scholarly information about the use of the Name of God and why they changed it and the protection of it's misuse----long before even the kabbalists were entering the picture. You want to believe in the continued conspiracy and finish destroying the Word. No mystery there and nothing new really. The Masoretes took over as guardians of the Book a lot longer than 170 years ago, so my question would be Bill, how do you know that your information source isn't the conspiracy set to deceive?

I didn't say I was a Hebrew scholar. You make that claim. I source people that have that knowledge. The problem is you source things that allow for your doctrine to exist, regardless the error. You write your doctrine to pull people after what you believe. Instead of using the Scriptures as our litmus test for all doctrine, it's what you imagine according to what 'the spirit' tells you it is. The Sword of the Spirit is the Word of God, given by Him, inspired by Him, and protected by Him so we would be able to prove our doctrine to it.

Quote:You worte, "......Or is that all lies too? Is the Biblical Hebrew that has come down through the ages all lies? If not, which is the true Biblical Hebrew and how do you know?

I really need some documentation here and not from such as Jeff Benner or similar. Thanks."

You are overstating what I’ve said. I never said the scriptures are "all lies."
Why would you try to associate me with Jeff Benner? What’s next, Lew White? I don’t fit in that box, nor any other box for that matter.

As shown above, you are actually saying that all scriptures are lies. It's the only logical conclusion based on all Biblical writers sourcing the 'lie of the law'. That includes the Hebrew Bible and the New Testament. How sad is that. You are attempting to overturn the faith of two religions.

Bill, which is the true Hebrew and how do you know? I asked for documentation to be from other than Jeff Benner or similar since paleo is his schtick. BTW does paleo hebrew indicate the consonants, vowels and pointings in how to speak a word?

You do fit into various scenarios Bill. From charismatic views about the Holy Spirit overriding the Scriptures---when the Holy Spirit would not overturn any Scriptures; sacred namer, Hebrew roots, etc. I always love it when people say they aren't anything but have all the doctrines of something. It's simply the way it is. Probably the most signifant of what you are is someone who denies the Scriptures, which means you deny Christ, the virgin birth, etc, because in them are all the writings that point to Christ. And including within the law of Moses you say was lies. And you have a fixation on paleo or just plain Hebrew that suggests you believe it to be the language of God, despite emerging after proto-Canaanite, phoenician and then paleo, and within it words from many other languages. That's the reality Bill. And I am not amused with what you are about in the least.

***Vic*** · (This post was last modified: 05-06-2011 08:55 PM by Vic.)

Mo MHuintir post 112 >

Quote:I can write 50 letters in Paleo Hebrew per minute. That means it would take me 1850 minutes or about 31 non stop hours. Since the Hebrew word “Kathab” means “to graven,” and the medium being written upon is stone; the text suggests that Joshua carved the Law of Moses into the stone altar. I didn’t even try to calculate the time it would take to do that, because it stands to reason that the entire assembly of Israel could not have stood in front of him, for that length of time, waiting for him to finish the carving and then read the writing.

“And he wrote there upon the stones a copy of the law of Moses, which he wrote in the presence of the children of Israel. And all Israel, and their elders, and officers, and their judges, stood on this side the ark and on that side before the priests the Levites, which bare the ark of the covenant of the Lord, as well the stranger, as he that was born among them; half of them over against mount Gerizim, and half of them over against mount Ebal; as Moses the servant of the Lord had commanded before, that they should bless the people of Israel. And afterward he read all the words of the law, the blessings and cursings, according to all that is written in the book of the law. There was not a word of all that Moses commanded, which Joshua read not before all the congregation of Israel, with the women, and the little ones, and the strangers that were conversant among them." Josh 8:32-35 KJV

I believe what Joshua wrote here was the 10 commandments, and not the 22,600+ words said to be the Law of Moses. This is what has been falsified by the scribes. Especially all that which encompasses the practice of redundant animal sacrifices.

"Thus saith the Lord of hosts, the God of Israel; Put your burnt offerings unto your sacrifices, and eat flesh. For I spake not unto your fathers, nor commanded them in the day that I brought them out of the land of Egypt, concerning burnt offerings or sacrifices: But this thing commanded I them, saying, Obey my voice, and I will be your God, and ye shall be my people: and walk ye in all the ways that I have commanded you, that it may be well unto you." Jer 7:21-23 KJV

God is saying here that he did not command the Fathers of Israel, when He brought them out of Egypt, concerning burnt offerings and sacrifices. It couldn’t be any more plain than that.

Thanks, but your skill or lack thereof at writing what you believe to be Paleo Hebrew isn't of interest to me, Bill and has nothing to do with the Scriptures being True.

Joshua lived approximately between 1500–1390 BC. So he was likely writing in proto-Canaanite or very early Phoenician. Irregardless of how or what alphabet he used when he wrote the law down, he did write it. Otherwise the Scriptures are again false, correct?

The verses you Bill, are misusing, are about how God said:

"Thus saith the Lord of hosts, the God of Israel; Put your burnt offerings unto your sacrifices, and eat flesh. For I spake not unto your fathers, nor commanded them in the day that I brought them out of the land of Egypt, concerning burnt offerings or sacrifices: But this thing commanded I them, saying, Obey my voice, and I will be your God, and ye shall be my people: and walk ye in all the ways that I have commanded you, that it may be well unto you." Jer 7:21-23

....but if you pull up Jeremiah 7 > and starting at verse 1, read down to v 8 forward, please notice that:

Jer 7:2 Stand in the gate of the LORD'S house, and proclaim there this word, and say, Hear the word of the LORD, all ye of Judah, that enter in at these gates to worship the LORD.
Jer 7:3 Thus saith the LORD of hosts, the God of Israel, Amend your ways and your doings, and I will cause you to dwell in this place.
Jer 7:4 Trust ye not in lying words, saying, The temple of the LORD, The temple of the LORD, The temple of the LORD, are these.
Jer 7:5 For if ye throughly amend your ways and your doings; if ye throughly execute judgment between a man and his neighbour;
Jer 7:6 If ye oppress not the stranger, the fatherless, and the widow, and shed not innocent blood in this place, neither walk after other gods to your hurt:
Jer 7:7 Then will I cause you to dwell in this place, in the land that I gave to your fathers, for ever and ever.

Jeremiah was calling the people to repent, and not go into God's house and claim they were of Him when they were following falsehood as if it was of God.

THIS is what God accused Israel of doing>

Jer 7:8 Behold, ye trust in lying words, that cannot profit.
Jer 7:9 Will ye steal, murder, and commit adultery, and swear falsely, and burn incense unto Baal, and walk after other gods whom ye know not;
Jer 7:10 And come and stand before me in this house, which is called by my name, and say, We are delivered to do all these abominations?
Jer 7:11 Is this house, which is called by my name, become a den of robbers in your eyes? Behold, even I have seen it, saith the LORD.
Jer 7:12 But go ye now unto my place which was in Shiloh, where I set my name at the first, and see what I did to it for the wickedness of my people Israel.

who was Israel following>> Baal, god of the Phoenicians and other gods, and the 'queen of heaven', all the while coming into God's house and saying how pure they were because of having His laws and commandments.

Jer 7:14 Therefore will I do unto this house, which is called by my name, wherein ye trust, and unto the place which I gave to you and to your fathers, as I have done to Shiloh.
Jer 7:15 And I will cast you out of my sight, as I have cast out all your brethren, even the whole seed of Ephraim.
Jer 7:16 Therefore pray not thou for this people, neither lift up cry nor prayer for them, neither make intercession to me: for I will not hear thee.
Jer 7:17 Seest thou not what they do in the cities of Judah and in the streets of Jerusalem?

Jer 7:18 The children gather wood, and the fathers kindle the fire, and the women knead their dough, to make cakes to the queen of heaven, and to pour out drink offerings unto other gods, that they may provoke me to anger.
Jer 7:19 Do they provoke me to anger? saith the LORD: do they not provoke themselves to the confusion of their own faces?
Jer 7:20 Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, mine anger and my fury shall be poured out upon this place, upon man, and upon beast, and upon the trees of the field, and upon the fruit of the ground; and it shall burn, and shall not be quenched.
Jer 7:21 Thus saith the LORD of hosts, the God of Israel; Put your burnt offerings unto your sacrifices, and eat flesh.
Jer 7:22 For I spake not unto your fathers, nor commanded them in the day that I brought them out of the land of Egypt, concerning burnt offerings or sacrifices:
Jer 7:23 But this thing commanded I them, saying, Obey my voice, and I will be your God, and ye shall be my people: and walk ye in all the ways that I have commanded you, that it may be well unto you.
Jer 7:24 But they hearkened not, nor inclined their ear, but walked in the counsels and in the imagination of their evil heart, and went backward, and not forward.

Jer 7:25 Since the day that your fathers came forth out of the land of Egypt unto this day I have even sent unto you all my servants the prophets, daily rising up early and sending them:
Jer 7:26 Yet they hearkened not unto me, nor inclined their ear, but hardened their neck: they did worse than their fathers.
Jer 7:27 Therefore thou shalt speak all these words unto them; but they will not hearken to thee: thou shalt also call unto them; but they will not answer thee.
Jer 7:28 But thou shalt say unto them, This is a nation that obeyeth not the voice of the LORD their God, nor receiveth correction: truth is perished, and is cut off from their mouth.

>>> they even sacrificed their own children to those false gods and built idols and groves to those abominations---which God never commanded them to do.

Jer 7:30 For the children of Judah have done evil in my sight, saith the LORD: they have set their abominations in the house which is called by my name, to pollute it.
Jer 7:31 And they have built the high places of Tophet, which is in the valley of the son of Hinnom, to burn their sons and their daughters in the fire; which I commanded them not, neither came it into my heart.

Now, those verses which you have attempted to twist to your own understanding.

Jer 7:21 Thus saith the LORD of hosts, the God of Israel; Put your burnt offerings unto your sacrifices, and eat flesh.
Jer 7:22 For I spake not unto your fathers, nor commanded them in the day that I brought them out of the land of Egypt, concerning burnt offerings or sacrifices:
Jer 7:23 But this thing commanded I them, saying, Obey my voice, and I will be your God, and ye shall be my people: and walk ye in all the ways that I have commanded you, that it may be well unto you.
Jer 7:24 But they hearkened not, nor inclined their ear, but walked in the counsels and in the imagination of their evil heart, and went backward, and not forward. "For I spake not unto your fathers, nor commanded them in the day that I brought them out of the land of Egypt, concerning burnt offerings or sacrifices:"

That is exactly correct. God didn't give any such commandments when He first brought them out of the land of Egypt. But He did say pretty much say word for word, "this thing commanded I them, saying, Obey my voice, and I will be your God, and ye shall be my people: and walk ye in all the ways that I have commanded you, that it may be well unto you."

From the Book of Exodus, after Pharoah had pursued Israel through the Red Sea and was destroyed and God provided the escape for Israel ...

Exo 15:22 So Moses brought Israel from the Red sea, and they went out into the wilderness of Shur; and they went three days in the wilderness, and found no water. ...
Exo 15:25 And he cried unto the LORD; and the LORD shewed him a tree, which when he had cast into the waters, the waters were made sweet: there he made for them a statute and an ordinance, and there he proved them,
Exo 15:26 And said, If thou wilt diligently hearken to the voice of the LORD thy God, and wilt do that which is right in his sight, and wilt give ear to his commandments, and keep all his statutes, I will put none of these diseases upon thee, which I have brought upon the Egyptians: for I am the LORD that healeth thee.

>>>>> and what Jeremiah said in chapter 7 is exactly right and in agreement with Exodus and what God had said>>> because God didn't command the sacrifices and burnt offerings on that day...

The commandments, including the ten commandments were not given then. They were given the commandments after they endured the wilderness, [Exo 16 and verses 22-30--their first sabbath]...chapter 19 at Mount Sinai....and God gave Moses instructions to relay to the people

Chapter 20 recounts the beginning of the giving of the ten commandments and in that original list is this:

Exo 20:22 And the LORD said unto Moses, Thus thou shalt say unto the children of Israel, Ye have seen that I have talked with you from heaven.
Exo 20:23 Ye shall not make with me gods of silver, neither shall ye make unto you gods of gold.
Exo 20:24 An altar of earth thou shalt make unto me, and shalt sacrifice thereon thy burnt offerings, and thy peace offerings, thy sheep, and thine oxen: in all places where I record my name I will come unto thee, and I will bless thee.
Exo 20:25 And if thou wilt make me an altar of stone, thou shalt not build it of hewn stone: for if thou lift up thy tool upon it, thou hast polluted it.
Exo 20:26 Neither shalt thou go up by steps unto mine altar, that thy nakedness be not discovered thereon.

And then God goes into the commandments and judgments Moses was to give in chapter 21-31 ; And what did Israel do while they waited all that time for Moses? Exodus 32, they built the golden calf and asked Aaron to make gods they could follow.

As we can see, The law came later as they were about to go into their new land. God appears to have been making the point, in Jeremiah, that they disobeyed even before all that..remember the golden calf. They had no laws yet, and they still went and sinned abominably. What Israel went through historically, is to be learned from, because it is a reflection of all of us. How we can be obedient and disobedient. Loving God with all our hearts or just paying lip service and following other gods'. But Jeremiah's message was one that was clearly a repeat of many times before. The voices of the prophets are subject to the prophets. And the Spirit of prophecy is Jesus Christ.

Jer 32:22 And hast given them this land, which thou didst swear to their fathers to give them, a land flowing with milk and honey;
Jer 32:23 And they came in, and possessed it; but they obeyed not thy voice, neither walked in thy law; they have done nothing of all that thou commandedst them to do: therefore thou hast caused all this evil to come upon them:
Jer 32:33 And they have turned unto me the back, and not the face: though I taught them, rising up early and teaching them, yet they have not hearkened to receive instruction.
Jer 32:34 But they set their abominations in the house, which is called by my name, to defile it.

Jer 34:12 Therefore the word of the LORD came to Jeremiah from the LORD, saying,
Jer 34:13 Thus saith the LORD, the God of Israel; I made a covenant with your fathers in the day that I brought them forth out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondmen, saying,
Jer 34:14 At the end of seven years let ye go every man his brother an Hebrew, which hath been sold unto thee; and when he hath served thee six years, thou shalt let him go free from thee: but your fathers hearkened not unto me, neither inclined their ear.

>>> that's from Exodus 21:1-4,

2Ki 17:13 Yet the LORD testified against Israel, and against Judah, by all the prophets, and by all the seers, saying, Turn ye from your evil ways, and keep my commandments and my statutes, according to all the law which I commanded your fathers, and which I sent to you by my servants the prophets.
2Ki 17:14 Notwithstanding they would not hear, but hardened their necks, like to the neck of their fathers, that did not believe in the LORD their God.
2Ki 17:15 And they rejected his statutes, and his covenant that he made with their fathers, and his testimonies which he testified against them; and they followed vanity, and became vain, and went after the heathen that were round about them, concerning whom the LORD had charged them, that they should not do like them.
2Ki 17:16 And they left all the commandments of the LORD their God, and made them molten images, even two calves, and made a grove, and worshipped all the host of heaven, and served Baal.
2Ki 17:17 And they caused their sons and their daughters to pass through the fire, and used divination and enchantments, and sold themselves to do evil in the sight of the LORD, to provoke him to anger.

So Israel's worship of God was in vain, just like the scribes recording God's Word, was in vain, and the people claiming to be living for Him, was all in vain, a vanity in their minds, because they went after false gods, while paying lip service to Almighty God and while using the claim of being His people with His laws and commandments for justification.

Psa 12:1 <To the chief Musician upon Sheminith, A Psalm of David.> Help, LORD; for the godly man ceaseth; for the faithful fail from among the children of men.
Psa 12:2 They speak vanity every one with his neighbour: with flattering lips and with a double heart do they speak.
Psa 12:3 The LORD shall cut off all flattering lips, and the tongue that speaketh proud things:
Psa 12:4 Who have said, With our tongue will we prevail; our lips are our own: who is lord over us?

>>> Psalm 78... and back to Jeremiah and what God was rebuking Israel for, right from the start...

Jer 2:4 Hear ye the word of the LORD, O house of Jacob, and all the families of the house of Israel:
Jer 2:5 Thus saith the LORD, What iniquity have your fathers found in me, that they are gone far from me, and have walked after vanity, and are become vain?
Jer 2:6 Neither said they, Where is the LORD that brought us up out of the land of Egypt, that led us through the wilderness, through a land of deserts and of pits, through a land of drought, and of the shadow of death, through a land that no man passed through, and where no man dwelt?
Jer 2:7 And I brought you into a plentiful country, to eat the fruit thereof and the goodness thereof; but when ye entered, ye defiled my land, and made mine heritage an abomination.
Jer 2:8 The priests said not, Where is the LORD? and they that handle the law knew me not: the pastors also transgressed against me, and the prophets prophesied by Baal, and walked after things that do not profit.
...Jer 2:11 Hath a nation changed their gods, which are yet no gods? but my people have changed their glory for that which doth not profit.
...Jer 2:13 For my people have committed two evils; they have forsaken me the fountain of living waters, and hewed them out cisterns, broken cisterns, that can hold no water.
...Jer 2:17 Hast thou not procured this unto thyself, in that thou hast forsaken the LORD thy God, when he led thee by the way?
Jer 2:18 And now what hast thou to do in the way of Egypt, to drink the waters of Sihor? or what hast thou to do in the way of Assyria, to drink the waters of the river?
Jer 2:19 Thine own wickedness shall correct thee, and thy backslidings shall reprove thee: know therefore and see that it is an evil thing and bitter, that thou hast forsaken the LORD thy God, and that my fear is not in thee, saith the Lord GOD of hosts.
Jer 2:20 For of old time I have broken thy yoke, and burst thy bands; and thou saidst, I will not transgress; when upon every high hill and under every green tree thou wanderest, playing the harlot.
...Jer 2:23 How canst thou say, I am not polluted, I have not gone after Baalim? see thy way in the valley, know what thou hast done: thou art a swift dromedary traversing her ways;
...Jer 2:26 As the thief is ashamed when he is found, so is the house of Israel ashamed; they, their kings, their princes, and their priests, and their prophets,
Jer 2:27 Saying to a stock, Thou art my father; and to a stone, Thou hast brought me forth: for they have turned their back unto me, and not their face: but in the time of their trouble they will say, Arise, and save us.
Jer 2:28 But where are thy gods that thou hast made thee? let them arise, if they can save thee in the time of thy trouble: for according to the number of thy cities are thy gods, O Judah.
Jer 2:29 Wherefore will ye plead with me? ye all have transgressed against me, saith the LORD.
Jer 2:30 In vain have I smitten your children; they received no correction: your own sword hath devoured your prophets, like a destroying lion.
...Jer 2:32 Can a maid forget her ornaments, or a bride her attire? yet my people have forgotten me days without number.
Jer 2:33 Why trimmest thou thy way to seek love? therefore hast thou also taught the wicked ones thy ways.
Jer 2:34 Also in thy skirts is found the blood of the souls of the poor innocents: I have not found it by secret search, but upon all these.
Jer 2:35 Yet thou sayest, Because I am innocent, surely his anger shall turn from me. Behold, I will plead with thee, because thou sayest, I have not sinned.
Jer 2:36 Why gaddest thou about so much to change thy way? thou also shalt be ashamed of Egypt, as thou wast ashamed of Assyria.
Jer 2:37 Yea, thou shalt go forth from him, and thine hands upon thine head: for the LORD hath rejected thy confidences, and thou shalt not prosper in them.

***Vic*** · (This post was last modified: 05-07-2011 10:31 AM by Vic.)

(05-02-2011 11:16 PM)Mo MHuintir Wrote: Moses said it himself, as far as the Torah directly given to him by God; "he added no more."
He added no more to the 10 commandments.
Knowing that, believe me, I am not left out of anything. Quite the opposite is true. I find it liberating to be lead by the Holy Spirit and to see the truth. I enjoy studying the Bible more and more, even when I see a discrepency or a falsehood. "

If God added no more, there would be no Bible would there? Because all Scripture is given by inspiration of God. The prophets and all those who wrote the Scriptures down were inspired and given what to write by God. God is not a liar and His Word is True.

You can't claim the Bible to be anything but falsehood to you, as was shown in my prior posts. You can't pick and choose what you want to say is good and what isn't.

That means you are dictating what is of God in HIS WORD, and taking away from it and adding to it according to whatever whim strikes you.

No wonder you don't like the concept of the scribes recording the Word in vain, because that would mean it would have to apply to you---that you pay lip service to being of God but you deny His Word as true. You reject it and try to change it, which is why you accuse the scribes of doing so. It gives you justification to trash God's Word and make up your own doctrine, because of course, you cannot receive anything from anyone else. That would be actually being edified by believers.

You have to trash the Scripture because you cannot understand them.

2Pe 3:15 And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you;
2Pe 3:16 As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.
2Pe 3:17 Ye therefore, beloved, seeing ye know these things before, beware lest ye also, being led away with the error of the wicked, fall from your own stedfastness.
2Pe 3:18 But grow in grace, and in the knowledge of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. To him be glory both now and for ever. Amen.

No Bill, you are trying to make all your own doctrine that does not align the Word. And trying to draw people after yourself. That's why you are here. To try and disseminate your heresies. Nothing new under the sun.

It's interesting to me that you, sarah and nearyah all are of the same mind with the "name' [yahuah, etc] , denying the divinity of Christ, the virgin birth, the paleo shtick, the keeping the law.. etc. You twist and pervert the Scriptures and claim this amazing knowledge about them--that no else has gotten. But in reality you all deny the Scriptures which means in the end denying Jesus Christ. Because it is in those Scriptures that we see Christ. At least those who seek Him and Know HIm, see those prophecies and Truths. Right from Genesis 1. All inspired by the Holy Spirit to prophecy and proclaim Truth.

Mat 11:13 For all the prophets and the law prophesied until John.

2Pe 1:20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.
2Pe 1:21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.

Isa 63:11 Then he remembered the days of old, Moses, and his people, saying, Where is he that brought them up out of the sea with the shepherd of his flock? where is he that put his holy Spirit within him?

Gen 41:38 And Pharaoh said unto his servants, Can we find such a one as this is, a man in whom the Spirit of God is?

Luk 1:67 And his father Zacharias was filled with the Holy Ghost, and prophesied, saying,
Luk 1:68 Blessed be the Lord God of Israel; for he hath visited and redeemed his people,
Luk 1:69 And hath raised up an horn of salvation for us in the house of his servant David;
Luk 1:70 As he spake by the mouth of his holy prophets, which have been since the world began:

Mat 26:56 But all this was done, that the scriptures of the prophets might be fulfilled. Then all the disciples forsook him, and fled.

Luk 13:27 But he shall say, I tell you, I know you not whence ye are; depart from me, all ye workers of iniquity.
Luk 13:28 There shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth, when ye shall see Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, and all the prophets, in the kingdom of God, and you yourselves thrust out.

Num 11:25 And the LORD came down in a cloud, and spake unto him, and took of the spirit that was upon him, and gave it unto the seventy elders: and it came to pass, that, when the spirit rested upon them, they prophesied, and did not cease.

Num 11:29 And Moses said unto him, Enviest thou for my sake? would God that all the LORD'S people were prophets, and that the LORD would put his spirit upon them!

Num 27:18 And the LORD said unto Moses, Take thee Joshua the son of Nun, a man in whom is the spirit, and lay thine hand upon him;

2Sa 23:1 Now these be the last words of David. David the son of Jesse said, and the man who was raised up on high, the anointed of the God of Jacob, and the sweet psalmist of Israel, said,
2Sa 23:2 The Spirit of the LORD spake by me, and his word was in my tongue.

Luk 16:15 And he said unto them, Ye are they which justify yourselves before men; but God knoweth your hearts: for that which is highly esteemed among men is abomination in the sight of God.
Luk 16:16 The law and the prophets were until John: since that time the kingdom of God is preached, and every man presseth into it.

Luk 16:29 Abraham saith unto him, They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them.
Luk 16:30 And he said, Nay, father Abraham: but if one went unto them from the dead, they will repent.
Luk 16:31 And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.

Luk 18:31 Then he took unto him the twelve, and said unto them, Behold, we go up to Jerusalem, and all things that are written by the prophets concerning the Son of man shall be accomplished.

Act 28:23 And when they had appointed him a day, there came many to him into his lodging; to whom he expounded and testified the kingdom of God, persuading them concerning Jesus, both out of the law of Moses, and out of the prophets, from morning till evening.
Act 28:24 And some believed the things which were spoken, and some believed not.

1Pe 1:9 Receiving the end of your faith, even the salvation of your souls.
1Pe 1:10 Of which salvation the prophets have enquired and searched diligently, who prophesied of the grace that should come unto you:
1Pe 1:11 Searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow.
1Pe 1:12 Unto whom it was revealed, that not unto themselves, but unto us they did minister the things, which are now reported unto you by them that have preached the gospel unto you with the Holy Ghost sent down from heaven; which things the angels desire to look into.

Heb 1:1 God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,
Heb 1:2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;
Heb 1:3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;
Heb 1:4 Being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they.

Jer 23:28 The prophet that hath a dream, let him tell a dream; and he that hath my word, let him speak my word faithfully. What is the chaff to the wheat? saith the LORD.
Jer 23:29 Is not my word like as a fire? saith the LORD; and like a hammer that breaketh the rock in pieces?
Jer 23:30 Therefore, behold, I am against the prophets, saith the LORD, that steal my words every one from his neighbour.
Jer 23:31 Behold, I am against the prophets, saith the LORD, that use their tongues, and say, He saith.
Jer 23:32 Behold, I am against them that prophesy false dreams, saith the LORD, and do tell them, and cause my people to err by their lies, and by their lightness; yet I sent them not, nor commanded them: therefore they shall not profit this people at all, saith the LORD.

God inspired the writing of His Word. He has protected His Word so we might know Him. Those who attempt to overturn His Word or call it falsehood, are also mentioned in the Scriptures, by those same prophets inspired by the Holy Spirit.

Proverbs 30:5-6 Every word of God is pure: he is a shield unto them that put their trust in him. 6. Add thou not unto his words, lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar.

Isa 5:20 Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!
Isa 5:21 Woe unto them that are wise in their own eyes, and prudent in their own sight!
Isa 5:22 Woe unto them that are mighty to drink wine, and men of strength to mingle strong drink:
Isa 5:23 Which justify the wicked for reward, and take away the righteousness of the righteous from him!
Isa 5:24 Therefore as the fire devoureth the stubble, and the flame consumeth the chaff, so their root shall be as rottenness, and their blossom shall go up as dust: because they have cast away the law of the LORD of hosts, and despised the word of the Holy One of Israel.

Job 13:7 Will ye speak wickedly for God? and talk deceitfully for him?
Job 13:8 Will ye accept his person? will ye contend for God?
Job 13:9 Is it good that he should search you out? or as one man mocketh another, do ye so mock him?

Psa 12:6 The words of the LORD are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times.
Psa 12:7 Thou shalt keep them, O LORD, thou shalt preserve them from this generation for ever.

Psa 119:140 Thy word is very pure: therefore thy servant loveth it.

Psa 119:11 Thy word have I hid in mine heart, that I might not sin against thee.

1Jn 1:3 That which we have seen and heard declare we unto you, that ye also may have fellowship with us: and truly our fellowship is with the Father, and with his Son Jesus Christ.
1Jn 1:4 And these things write we unto you, that your joy may be full.
1Jn 1:5 This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all.
1Jn 1:6 If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth:
1Jn 1:7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.

2 Timothy 4:1-4 I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom; 2. Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine. 3. For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; 4. And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.

Tit 1:9 Holding fast the faithful word as he hath been taught, that he may be able by sound doctrine both to exhort and to convince the gainsayers.