Christian Identity & British Israelism and the varied doctrine

[Ekklesia]

(06-28-2011 08:38 PM)Rose of Shushan Wrote:  You focus on the words Jesus said there yet ignore the rest of the NT. The words he uttered to the non Israelite woman were said when His mission was only to the House of Israel.

I'm not ignoring the rest of the NT (having quoted from 1 Peter, Galatians, Ephesians, Romans and Matthew. If you'd like I can quote from other NT books as well (though this is besides the point). What I'm doing is seeing the entire bible through one lens, using both the NT and the OT in context, as though God's word is one.

But to do this, I have to break away from the prejudicial (dead) view the Pharisees, Sadducee and Herodian's left us of God's purpose and expectation for the covenant.

(06-28-2011 08:38 PM)Rose of Shushan Wrote:  The church would be the one to spread the Gospel amongst the nations and be His witnesses in fulfilment of what Isaiah prophesied..note God says He will gather ALL NATIONS AND TONGUES

Rose, I'm claiming that the church IS Israel.

Remember the Abrahamic covenant [Gen 12:2-3]? There it is repeated in [Isa 66:22], showing that this prophecy by Isaiah, that you are crediting to the church (whatever that means) was prophesied about the Israel. To be biblical, you have to accept that Isaiah prophesied to Israel about Israel.

However, you'll get no argument from me if by 'church' you mean the congregation of Israel fulfilling God's mandate that they be a light for the nations [Isa 42:6]. (The only way Israel could be a light unto the nations was if they were like Christ?).

(06-28-2011 08:38 PM)Rose of Shushan Wrote:  Going back to the issue of Israel being the one in the Covenant, the Sinai one , I'd like to go again to the words of Paul to the Ephesians ...

Do you see there how Paul recognises that Gentiles/nations/non Israelites had been alienated from the promises that pertained to the commonwealth of Israel and yet all this is abolished in Christ?

When, exactly were non-Israelites part of the commonwealth of Israel? If they were never part of the commonwealth of Israel, they could not be estranged from it. The word ἀπαλλοτριόω (apallotrioō G526) means to be 'shut out from' or 'estranged'. Two entities that have never been joined cannot be ἀπαλλοτριόω (apallotrioō G526), shut out from or estranged. (I've never met Wayne Gretky - I cannot be estranged from him)

It is talking about how that company of nations [Gen 35:11] the House of Israel was cast off, and made strangers to the covenant. [Hosea 1:9] says "And the LORD said, 'Call his name Not My People, for you are not my people, and I am not your God.'" (This is the House of Israel becoming cast off) yet God takes back this same group he cast off in [Hos 2:23] saying "...and I will say to Not My People, 'You are my people'; and he shall say, 'You are my God.'". In Hosea there is only one prophetic 'Loammi' representing the House of Israel.

(06-28-2011 08:38 PM)Rose of Shushan Wrote:  The new Covenant is a new one,not like the one made at Sinai (Jere 31)and not based on the same promises.
Paul says that these gentiles are

As I've pointed out, the nations Paul was talking about were once part of the commonwealth of Israel and cast off by God.

Also, [Jer 31:31] is not the old covenant. It is the new covenant as it says. The covenant spoken of in [Jer 31:31] will last until the end of time as [Jer 31:35-36] says.

But answer me this; if a man casts off His wife (because she is an adulterer), He redeemed her, making her pure, no longer an adulterer, and marries her again, is it true to say the second marriage is not like the first?