Christian Identity & British Israelism and the varied doctrine
07-08-2011, 10:06 PM
RE: Moved from Intro thread: Christian Identity & British Israelism
Quote:Rose, do you know what a false dilemna is? It is when a person is only given 2 choices but there are actually more. The bible see's more categories than Israelite and non-Israelite. The bible says nothing more than he was a Roman. There were Israelite Romans and non-Israelite Romans. I answered your question by referencing the bible which tells us ONLY that he was a Roman. Don't fault me for refusing to speculate.
If he had been an Israelite then there would have been no need for the Vision to be able to clear the way for Peter to eat at Cornelius house or for Spirit to reassure Peter to go with the men.
Quote:Rose, Jesus called non-Israelites 'dogs', yet you are offended that I don't focus upon them when I read about the 'new covenant'. When I think about the new covenant, I focus on those who the bible says were to be the recipients of it (non-Isralites are not specifically mentioned). I think if I were to call them 'dogs' you could accuse me of 'thinking lesser' of them, but simply not thinking about them at all, is hardly 'thinking lesser'.Jesus wasn't calling the Syrophoenician woman a dog but was using an analogy to make the point.Since she was not an Israelite and thus "an alien to the covenants of promise" she was not thus entitled to the children's food.The children being the children of Israel.
Mar 7:27 But Jesus said unto her, Let the children first be filled: for it is not meet to take the children's bread, and to cast it unto the dogs.
Note Jesus says let the children first be filled.This ties in with what Paul said about to the jew first then the gentile.Since jews were the one in a covenant with God and heirs to the promises it is only fittingg that their Redeemer should come to them first.However since God promised that His Servant would also be a light to the gentiles and salvation to the ends of the earth it makes sense that after the children were filled( ie Messiah is revealed unto them) that the bread could then be fed to the dogs.Its an analogy and nothing derogatory is meant by the term dogs.Could have been pet rabbits or whatever other non human members of the household.
Quote:Lets go back to the bible, which says [Jer 31:31-33] "Behold, the days are coming, declares the LORD, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and the house of Judah, not like the covenant that I made with their fathers on the day when I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt, my covenant that they broke, though I was their husband, declares the LORD. But this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, declares the LORD: I will put my law within them, and I will write it on their hearts. And I will be their God, and they shall be my people"
Jeremiah speaks of a new covenant to both Israel and Judah because they are the ones that were in a covenant with God at the time of Jeremiah.The nations / gentiles were not.So how could God promise them a new one if they weren't in the old.
Yet if we look at all the OT we do see where God plans for all peoples and nations to eventually know Him and Jesus.
Dan 7:13 I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days, and they brought him near before him.
Dan 7:14 And there was given him dominion, and glory, and a kingdom, that all people, nations, and languages, should serve him: his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom that which shall not be destroyed.
Isa 2:2 And it shall come to pass in the last days, that the mountain of the LORD'S house shall be established in the top of the mountains, and shall be exalted above the hills; and all nations shall flow unto it.
Isa 42:6 I the LORD have called thee in righteousness, and will hold thine hand, and will keep thee, and give thee for a covenant of the people, for a light of the Gentiles;
Isa 42:7 To open the blind eyes, to bring out the prisoners from the prison, and them that sit in darkness out of the prison house.
Isa 49:5 And now, saith the LORD that formed me from the womb to be his servant, to bring Jacob again to him, Though Israel be not gathered, yet shall I be glorious in the eyes of the LORD, and my God shall be my strength.
Isa 49:6 And he said, It is a light thing that thou shouldest be my servant to raise up the tribes of Jacob, and to restore the preserved of Israel: I will also give thee for a light to the Gentiles, that thou mayest be my salvation unto the end of the earth.
Isa 49:8 Thus saith the LORD, In an acceptable time have I heard thee, and in a day of salvation have I helped thee: and I will preserve thee, and give thee for a covenant of the people, to establish the earth, to cause to inherit the desolate heritages;
Isa 49:9 That thou mayest say to the prisoners, Go forth; to them that are in darkness, Shew yourselves. They shall feed in the ways, and their pastures shall be in all high places.
Isa 49:10 They shall not hunger nor thirst; neither shall the heat nor sun smite them: for he that hath mercy on them shall lead them, even by the springs of water shall he guide them.
Isa 49:11 And I will make all my mountains a way, and my highways shall be exalted.
Isa 49:12 Behold, these shall come from far: and, lo, these from the north and from the west; and these from the land of Sinim.
Isa 52:15 So shall he sprinkle many nations; the kings shall shut their mouths at him: for that which had not been told them shall they see; and that which they had not heard shall they consider.
Isa 56:7 Even them will I bring to my holy mountain, and make them joyful in my house of prayer: their burnt offerings and their sacrifices shall be accepted upon mine altar; for mine house shall be called an house of prayer for all people.
Isa 56:8 The Lord GOD which gathereth the outcasts of Israel saith, Yet will I gather others to him, beside those that are gathered unto him.
Amo 9:11 In that day will I raise up the tabernacle of David that is fallen, and close up the breaches thereof; and I will raise up his ruins, and I will build it as in the days of old:
Amo 9:12 That they may possess the remnant of Edom, and of all the heathen, which are called by my name, saith the LORD that doeth this.
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