Christian Identity & British Israelism and the varied doctrine
07-09-2011, 04:54 AM
RE: Moved from Intro thread: Christian Identity & British Israelism
Mary, this is your error exactly.
" that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life."
No Ekklesia, it is not my error exactly. What is happening in this complex sentence can be broken down this way:
The subject of the sentence is God who"loved"
The object of the verb "loved" is the noun "world". The object of the verb "believes in " is the pronoun "whosoever" which indicates people, specifically.
""The 'whosoever' in Greek, is not referring to the object of God's love, which is all of creation ('kosmos'), but it is instead referring to those 'who should not perish, but have eternal life'.""
I think another problem here is that you have mixed up your tenses.
"God's love may be universal,"
Despite you using the greek word cosmos I am not persuaded away from the word world meaning all people or all mankind ( or maybe Ekklesia, you might have to concede as we proceed that the lost sheep may include actual animals and not just the descendants of Israel.) What about verse 15, which also says "whosoever" but no mention of world or creation is made. Are we talking people here or creation? What about verse 18 which says "he that believeth.." - people or not?
" but salvation most certainly isn't."
Jesus was sent to save all mankind, who have the choice to believe in Him or not. People who believe receive salvation through Jesus Christ.
"Clearly those who perished were part of creation",
why are you using the past tense here?
" but needed to perish for the sake of restoring the rest."
I don't know what you mean here exactly, but no animal, or human, or any created being needed to die to save the rest of mankind. God sent His only son to die on the cross for all mankind. This is why my soul is disquieted by your comment "Christ's blood is everything". You do not believe that Jesus is God.
Phillipians 4:23 "The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you all. Amen."
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