Hebrew4Christians, praying for Israel, Palestinians, etc

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(10-18-2011 09:07 AM)Rose of Shushan Wrote:  Computerdoc welcome to the forum! I enjoyed reading your comments on this thread.


However, I was surprised to see you endorsing the hebrew for christians site.

-C - The owner is John Parsons. He was a consultant for Hebrew for Zola Levitt Ministries for years.

He in no way endorses the nonsense part of HR which is like pretending one is a Jew. In fact I have talked to Jews to explain that group to them as a peacemaker.

His main idea is that it is GOOD for Christians to study the torah and other Jewish concepts which shed light on the early Christian movement. However he is NOT in favor of torah replacing Yeshua after a person becomes a Christian. You need to read his articles on the torah to understand

If I could put in a link I could show you this. There is no harm in studying Judaic roots of Christianity.

There definitely is harm in saying that now that we have the Holy Spirit we can attempt to follow the torah etc. better than the Jews did. [that is what the "Judaic Christians" which I have met in Niagara [ [b]{Links removed--Newbies are NOT allowed to post links as per forum rules. PLease read them if you have not done so--Vic} and online from Atlanta and other places around the country attempt to teach].

I am not a "pretend" Jew. I love studying aspects of the Jewish religion because my savior was Jewish and it helps me understand him and his time. I enjoy Jewish music. I am sure Yeshua did.

Quote:While the site can seem a great starter to those learning Biblical Hebrew it is full of Talmudic concepts and rabbinic prayers and seems to encourage or promote their use by Christians. Just check out under the heading for Rosh Hashanah there for a typical example of what I mean...It's full of Talmud.

"seems to encourage" = what? It seems that you are probably over-reacting to the "pretend Jews" who claim to be messianic. Am I right?

I don't think you will find anything that encourages Talmudic concepts.

For example if I talk about cults and what they believe, is that equivalent to "encouraging" people to be part of a cult? I am sure you would agree it is not.

However I do understand those who have had bad experiences with what I call "Judaic Christians" are more sensitive to anything like that.

Have you had an experience like that?

Quote:To me it's no different than the normal messianic messages out there hence my surprise that you called it the true messianic message.

Charles - why is it "no different". I think I covered this idea above.

Quote:This also begs the question about what is that true messianic message that you speak of and does it differ from the christian one?[/b]

The true messianic message is that Yeshua [which is more correct than our anglicized Jesus .... although it is not important enough to argue with anyone about] came to give us a better way since it was obvious man could not follow the law.

Jeremiah 31 says
31 ¶ Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant Mt. 26.28 · Mk. 14.24 · Lk. 22.20 · 1 Cor. 11.25 · 2 Cor. 3.6 with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:
32 not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers, in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was a husband unto them, saith the LORD:
33 but this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; Heb. 10.16 and will be their God, and they shall be my people.
34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbor, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more. Heb. 10.17 Heb. 8.8-12

Some Judaics say this has not happened because this covenant is with the "house of Israel and of Judah" but other epistles such as Galatians say we are grafted in to the true vine and we are descendents of Abraham.

Hate to tell you but you cannot be a descendent unless you are of the same race .... therefore the "grafting in" means we are now part of the true vine God started long ago with Abraham and carried on ever so imperfectly through the Jewish people. WE too are inheritors of the covenant given to Abraham.

Would you agree? You might say it differently but do you agree?

Christianity for about the first 300 years until Constantine tried to force everyone to be a Christian, was known, as a sect of Judaism. Of course the first Christians were Jews.

As more and more gentiles became grafted in the Jerusalem conference was set up and VERY FEW RULES from Judaism were insisted upon, certainly not circumcision, torah study and so on.

Constantine was somewhat anti-Jewish as was Martin Luther and he wanted to "cleanse" the church of Judaic remembrances.

Have you ever listened to First Century Foundations by Joe Amaral on Miracle Channel? You can also see it online at {Links removed--Newbies are NOT allowed to post links as per forum rules. PLease read them if you have not done so--Vic} Joe does practise some of the rituals of remembrance of Judaism such as often having a seder, or celebrating some of the feasts, which is okay. WE were never instructed to drop them. But that doesn't mean you HAVE to celebrate them nor does it mean that you CANNOT.

If you think I am wrong about any of the above, please let me know. However before you do, please check the scriptures that support your belief? Okay?

God bless you.
I like this board as it gives a place to have a good discussion for some that were really indoctrinated in HR as you call it but it is really Judaic Christianity or JC in my estimation.

God bless you
Charles
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