Hebrew4Christians, praying for Israel, Palestinians, etc

[Rose of Shushan]

Quote:Yes very familiar with this. Why did you omit the efforts of people and nations to give the Jewish people a homeland because in every land they have lived they have been persecuted?

Charles why would I need to mention those efforts. However since you mention it, what does it have to do with Palestinians? Why should they have ceded where they were living just because jews were being persecuted everywhere.. Was it their fault? It was USA, England and others who denied jews the right to safely harbour in their respective countries.So why put the onus on the Palestinians to give up their homeland for them? What did it have to do with the Palestinians Charles? Why are they paying the price for what others did to the jewish people during the Holocaust times?

Quote:To equate the "palestinians" with Israel is ludicrous to say the least. I see you totally omitting any problems caused by the Palestinians and terrorists and only mentioning a few problems caused by overzealous zionists.

I am not sure in what sense you mean that equating Israel with Palestinians is ludicrous? Can you please explain further?
As to problems there are many many others that I could mention so there are not just a few caused by overzealousness.

Quote:Is that balanced to equate the terrorism of PLO, Fatah and Hamas with Israel trying to leave peacefully and allowing other faiths to live peacefully in Israel?

Well for one Israel is not allowing the Palestinians to live peacefully in Israel.Those that left in 1948,for whatever reason are not allowed the right of return so no they are not being allowed to live peacefully in Israel.
What is in operation is a system that some have likened to apartheid.

Quote:You seem to think that the state of Israel and Jews are equally if not worse than those who call themselves Palestinians.

Why do you insist on labeling one side worse than the other. As peacemakers do you not think that we should look as all peoples as equals and not favour one side over the other? God is not a respector of persons, is He? Are we not all His children and product of His creation? Aren’t we meant to preach the Gospel to all men? Why then are you implying that it's somehow bad to regard Palestinians and Israelis as equal.
Since you speak a lot of this supposed equality could you elaborate a little because I don't understand what you mean too well when you refer to equality.

Quote:You suggested I read more. However I am suggesting that you do the same. Watch youtube videos of children's programs on palestinian tv and what they say about Jews and Israel. However as a group, Israel and Jewish children are NOT taught to hate Palestinians. Some may as it is the palestinians who have killed many people in Israel and many families are missing someone because of the constant terrorism.

I have watched videos of Palestinian children and a lot of the times I don't watch things that I see linked to because I don't want to end up upset. Palestinian children who have nightmares about being taken away in the middle of the night by Israelis. Or those who can't sleep missing their brothers and hoping they will not suffer the same fate as their brothers who went away one day to throw some stones and never returned.

You say the Palestinians have killed many people in Israel, well let's have a look at some facts.Since Sept 20 2000, 124 Israeli children have been killed by Palestinians and 1463 Palestinian children have been killed by Israelis. What do you think of those figures Charles? The sources of these figures with ongoing updates with names and details of victims can be found at http://rememberthesechildren.org/remember2000.html

According to Catherine Cook, media coordinator at the Middle East Research and Information Project “The majority of these [Palestinian] children were killed and injured while going about normal daily activities, such as going to school, playing, shopping, or simply being in their homes. Sixty-four percent of children killed during the first six months of 2003 died as a result of Israeli air and ground attacks, or from indiscriminate fire from Israeli soldiers.”

Quote:Why do you always seem to find something wrong with the Jews or Israel every time somone tells you about problems caused by palestinians?

I do not suppose I will get an answer.

Well, we have only discussed it here and it's not that I find something wrong with the jews or Israel it is that I disagree with whatever you said regarding Palestinians and muslims. You seem to be promoting stereotypes and propaganda and what I try to do is counter it with facts or a different way of looking at it. There is never just one side to a story is there?
You keep referring me to you-tube videos and I could also do the same.There are many many videos out there of cruelty being inflicted on Palestinians, maybe you could try looking at those for a change. Some things can be faked but others can't. I'm sure you would come to see that they too are suffering and suffering more in many ways.

As believers I don't believe we are called to take sides, as I have said many times.We should support both since we love both Israelis and Palestinians.
Have a look at this video when you have time.Its 45 minutes long and it's about a group of young Arab and Jewish children who study together in a bilingual school program in Israel. There you can get a more realistic views of what families are up against from both sides.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ev9rfThkmXM


I'd also like to share with you an article that appeared in Ynet written by Amaya Galili from the organisation Zochrot. http://www.zochrot.org/en
She is jewish but yet strives for a solution that will take into account both sides.So that Israel would be a place where truly arabs and jews can truly live together at peace.She isn't christian Charles,or at least not that I know of, she is Israeli and lives right in the middle of the conflict but she shows the qualities that Jesus is surely proud of.And she does this by recognising the Palestians rights and grieviances.She doesn't demean or stereotype them in anyway. If you read the article maybe you see what I am talking about.

http://www.ifamericansknew.org/history/dirtyword.html