<![CDATA[SeekGod.ca Discussion Forum - All Forums]]> http://www.seekgod.ca/forum/ Fri, 03 Sep 2010 10:27:25 +0000 MyBB <![CDATA[When Christian Identity Goes Wrong]]> http://www.seekgod.ca/forum/showthread.php?tid=700 Sun, 29 Aug 2010 15:17:12 +0000 http://www.seekgod.ca/forum/showthread.php?tid=700
This article proves that in addition to brainwashed, Kook Klux Klowns are brain-dead (like all anti-Jewish "Christians").

http://www.splcenter.org/get-informed/in...ck-knights

Smilies-34787]]>
This article proves that in addition to brainwashed, Kook Klux Klowns are brain-dead (like all anti-Jewish "Christians").

http://www.splcenter.org/get-informed/in...ck-knights

Smilies-34787]]> <![CDATA[How do you forgive your enemies?]]> http://www.seekgod.ca/forum/showthread.php?tid=699 Wed, 25 Aug 2010 15:41:53 +0000 http://www.seekgod.ca/forum/showthread.php?tid=699 why God expects us to forgive our enemies, if we want Him to forgive us for sinning. He said "Forgive them, Father, for they know not what they do" to the Romans who were torturing Him. Every day when I ask Him to forgive me for sinning I begin by asking Him to help me forgive my enemies so He can forgive me.
Mat 6:12 And forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors.
Luk 11:4 And forgive us our sins; for we also forgive every one that is indebted to us. And lead us not into temptation; but deliver us from evil.

I have forgiven people in the past, but there are some enemies whom I have been unable to forgive (even after they are dead Deadhorse ). If I want God to forgive me, it's logical that I am expected to forgive them. I just don't know how. Th_emotionsshrug]]> why God expects us to forgive our enemies, if we want Him to forgive us for sinning. He said "Forgive them, Father, for they know not what they do" to the Romans who were torturing Him. Every day when I ask Him to forgive me for sinning I begin by asking Him to help me forgive my enemies so He can forgive me.
Mat 6:12 And forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors.
Luk 11:4 And forgive us our sins; for we also forgive every one that is indebted to us. And lead us not into temptation; but deliver us from evil.

I have forgiven people in the past, but there are some enemies whom I have been unable to forgive (even after they are dead Deadhorse ). If I want God to forgive me, it's logical that I am expected to forgive them. I just don't know how. Th_emotionsshrug]]> <![CDATA[Introduction]]> http://www.seekgod.ca/forum/showthread.php?tid=697 Wed, 18 Aug 2010 16:48:51 +0000 http://www.seekgod.ca/forum/showthread.php?tid=697
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My purpose on this forum is to bring the latest discoveriers related to Bible prophecy

I have about 33 years of experience in teaching the Bible and related ancient Middle Eastern geopolitical history

I have no denominational affiliations

I will generally answer reasonable questions and I refrain from argumentation and futile debating

The Middle East is the primary backdrop of the prophetic visions and much is setting up there today for the end of this present age

I will add cuts from my Truth Files website from time to time when appropriate and will indicate the same

I will post in the End Times section of the forum

Stephen]]>
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My purpose on this forum is to bring the latest discoveriers related to Bible prophecy

I have about 33 years of experience in teaching the Bible and related ancient Middle Eastern geopolitical history

I have no denominational affiliations

I will generally answer reasonable questions and I refrain from argumentation and futile debating

The Middle East is the primary backdrop of the prophetic visions and much is setting up there today for the end of this present age

I will add cuts from my Truth Files website from time to time when appropriate and will indicate the same

I will post in the End Times section of the forum

Stephen]]> <![CDATA[Permission to come aboard]]> http://www.seekgod.ca/forum/showthread.php?tid=696 Wed, 18 Aug 2010 00:03:46 +0000 http://www.seekgod.ca/forum/showthread.php?tid=696 My name’s Fox and I’m reporting in as requested (salutes). I have a fairly chequered spiritual/religious background, the more salient points are having once been a Jehovah’s Witness and more recently, had tacit involvement with the Twelve Tribes (aka Commonwealth of Israel), a quasi-Messianic Judaist group that set up shop in my home town. Whereas my relationship with the Twelve Tribes is now somewhat strained, partly because they expected absolute and unquestioning obedience despite their scant knowledge of scripture and contrary teachings, they did reignite my interest in the scriptures and in trying to bring my life more in harmony with the NT teachings. That’s what brought me to the FLT “For the Love of Truth” site, one of the many stops in researching their beliefs. These days I have no affiliation with any religious organisation, but have a love of scripture and believe it to be the word of God.
I was attracted to the FLT because of the solid, almost manic amount of research contained therein, and because of the “Ancient Paths – My Testimony” section that I read and re-read yesterday, that apart from the names and places my own testimony would fit nicely over the top of this one.
My short term goal is likely one that the writer of the “Ancient Paths – My Testimony” would no doubt relate to; namely, to prove to myself that the JWs (like the HR) are not and were never the sole avenue through which Yahweh communicates his will to his people, and that I have not blasphemed against the spirit by leaving them, and that there is still a way back to God for me.
For the last few months I’ve worked very hard at cleaning my act up in order to try and present my body to God as a living sacrifice, that if I do maybe God will bless me and by means of his spirit show me that I’m okay with him and then show me what to do next. At the moment I have no communication with anyone else in regards to spiritual matters, only the scriptures, prayer, and the internet. As such these last few weeks have been like a roller coaster ride, almost euphoric one day, and then thinking about packing it in the next.]]> My name’s Fox and I’m reporting in as requested (salutes). I have a fairly chequered spiritual/religious background, the more salient points are having once been a Jehovah’s Witness and more recently, had tacit involvement with the Twelve Tribes (aka Commonwealth of Israel), a quasi-Messianic Judaist group that set up shop in my home town. Whereas my relationship with the Twelve Tribes is now somewhat strained, partly because they expected absolute and unquestioning obedience despite their scant knowledge of scripture and contrary teachings, they did reignite my interest in the scriptures and in trying to bring my life more in harmony with the NT teachings. That’s what brought me to the FLT “For the Love of Truth” site, one of the many stops in researching their beliefs. These days I have no affiliation with any religious organisation, but have a love of scripture and believe it to be the word of God.
I was attracted to the FLT because of the solid, almost manic amount of research contained therein, and because of the “Ancient Paths – My Testimony” section that I read and re-read yesterday, that apart from the names and places my own testimony would fit nicely over the top of this one.
My short term goal is likely one that the writer of the “Ancient Paths – My Testimony” would no doubt relate to; namely, to prove to myself that the JWs (like the HR) are not and were never the sole avenue through which Yahweh communicates his will to his people, and that I have not blasphemed against the spirit by leaving them, and that there is still a way back to God for me.
For the last few months I’ve worked very hard at cleaning my act up in order to try and present my body to God as a living sacrifice, that if I do maybe God will bless me and by means of his spirit show me that I’m okay with him and then show me what to do next. At the moment I have no communication with anyone else in regards to spiritual matters, only the scriptures, prayer, and the internet. As such these last few weeks have been like a roller coaster ride, almost euphoric one day, and then thinking about packing it in the next.]]> <![CDATA[Q about the connection : jewish wedding/marriege of the Lamb.]]> http://www.seekgod.ca/forum/showthread.php?tid=694 Thu, 05 Aug 2010 01:24:02 +0000 http://www.seekgod.ca/forum/showthread.php?tid=694
After a long time being "away"
i have a Q.

Do you have any documentation about the jewish marriege being a model for the wedding as described in the bible?

ty so much, i need the info for people here.

Emje]]>
After a long time being "away"
i have a Q.

Do you have any documentation about the jewish marriege being a model for the wedding as described in the bible?

ty so much, i need the info for people here.

Emje]]> <![CDATA[Christians and hate]]> http://www.seekgod.ca/forum/showthread.php?tid=693 Wed, 04 Aug 2010 01:26:39 +0000 http://www.seekgod.ca/forum/showthread.php?tid=693
Is a Christian forbidden to hate anyone, however evil that person/group may be?

Are Christians forbidden to promote and/or peddle hate propaganda and symbols? Fred "God Hates Everybody" Phelps of Westboro Baptist Church does this (though I dunno if he sells anything), and the Christian-Identity Ku Klux Klan of course claim Christianity and they most definitely profit off selling hate. Is a Christian who sells World War II memorabilia and Nazi paraphernalia sinning? There are many professing Christians who sell this kind of thing, so I wanted to get the facts.]]>
Is a Christian forbidden to hate anyone, however evil that person/group may be?

Are Christians forbidden to promote and/or peddle hate propaganda and symbols? Fred "God Hates Everybody" Phelps of Westboro Baptist Church does this (though I dunno if he sells anything), and the Christian-Identity Ku Klux Klan of course claim Christianity and they most definitely profit off selling hate. Is a Christian who sells World War II memorabilia and Nazi paraphernalia sinning? There are many professing Christians who sell this kind of thing, so I wanted to get the facts.]]> <![CDATA[Greetings from Bella Coola]]> http://www.seekgod.ca/forum/showthread.php?tid=691 Thu, 22 Jul 2010 00:53:07 +0000 http://www.seekgod.ca/forum/showthread.php?tid=691
In our later 40's my wife and I have come here to this valley to wait out the collapse of western civilization, anticipate the rapture and in the meantime to serve our LORD and saviour Jesus Christ as ministers of His grace. Called to serve His people we have drawn along side of a number of local pastors to help equip the saints for evangelism. Our time here is spent mostly with a messianic and a pentecostal congregation... and we are neither. Looking forward to the discussion.

If you are keeping score I am a recovering charismatic with fundamentalist tendencies. My hobbies are dancing in the shadows, tilting at windmills, poking the bear and watchin' the wheels go round and round. Politically, I am very smal c conservative... but I am Canadian ... so that makes me a leftist to my American friends. I have a healthy disrespect for the status quo and I am suspicious of, in no particular order, hierarchies, oligarches and the grassroots. I am a leaky dispensationist ... the sign gifts have not ceased, but nor should they be everywhere, ALLTHETIME!!! Pre-mill, pre-trib and prepared I am!

My hobbies are theology,literature, politics, education and stating the obvious. I prefer to spend time in discussion forums rather than work on my master's project on servant leadership. I have no Hebrew roots, PTL, because I really like shellfish. And I call myself Padre for two reasons. One it drives some people crazy .... you know who you are! And because, while I believe in the priesthood of the individual believer, I identify more with those disreputable priests in Graham Greene's novels.

Still stumblin' heavenward

Padre]]>
In our later 40's my wife and I have come here to this valley to wait out the collapse of western civilization, anticipate the rapture and in the meantime to serve our LORD and saviour Jesus Christ as ministers of His grace. Called to serve His people we have drawn along side of a number of local pastors to help equip the saints for evangelism. Our time here is spent mostly with a messianic and a pentecostal congregation... and we are neither. Looking forward to the discussion.

If you are keeping score I am a recovering charismatic with fundamentalist tendencies. My hobbies are dancing in the shadows, tilting at windmills, poking the bear and watchin' the wheels go round and round. Politically, I am very smal c conservative... but I am Canadian ... so that makes me a leftist to my American friends. I have a healthy disrespect for the status quo and I am suspicious of, in no particular order, hierarchies, oligarches and the grassroots. I am a leaky dispensationist ... the sign gifts have not ceased, but nor should they be everywhere, ALLTHETIME!!! Pre-mill, pre-trib and prepared I am!

My hobbies are theology,literature, politics, education and stating the obvious. I prefer to spend time in discussion forums rather than work on my master's project on servant leadership. I have no Hebrew roots, PTL, because I really like shellfish. And I call myself Padre for two reasons. One it drives some people crazy .... you know who you are! And because, while I believe in the priesthood of the individual believer, I identify more with those disreputable priests in Graham Greene's novels.

Still stumblin' heavenward

Padre]]> <![CDATA[introduction]]> http://www.seekgod.ca/forum/showthread.php?tid=690 Tue, 20 Jul 2010 20:18:45 +0000 http://www.seekgod.ca/forum/showthread.php?tid=690 I am a retired attorney who has believed in the Bible and God until a few years ago when I read "Misquoting Jesus" by Bart D. Ehrman. Since then I have developed a lot of doubts. I am seeking other's comments to help me resolve those doubts if I can.
Lawjock]]> I am a retired attorney who has believed in the Bible and God until a few years ago when I read "Misquoting Jesus" by Bart D. Ehrman. Since then I have developed a lot of doubts. I am seeking other's comments to help me resolve those doubts if I can.
Lawjock]]> <![CDATA[hi again!]]> http://www.seekgod.ca/forum/showthread.php?tid=689 Mon, 19 Jul 2010 23:27:07 +0000 http://www.seekgod.ca/forum/showthread.php?tid=689 I'm back! Smiley-greet013

Was gone for awhile. I hope to stick around!

7026[/b]]]> I'm back! Smiley-greet013

Was gone for awhile. I hope to stick around!

7026[/b]]]> <![CDATA[Try #2]]> http://www.seekgod.ca/forum/showthread.php?tid=687 Sat, 17 Jul 2010 17:12:04 +0000 http://www.seekgod.ca/forum/showthread.php?tid=687
M'Lovegood. I've a lot of questions.]]>
M'Lovegood. I've a lot of questions.]]> <![CDATA[Yo]]> http://www.seekgod.ca/forum/showthread.php?tid=685 Fri, 16 Jul 2010 19:57:35 +0000 http://www.seekgod.ca/forum/showthread.php?tid=685 Call me Amil.]]> Call me Amil.]]> <![CDATA[The Passion of the Gibson?]]> http://www.seekgod.ca/forum/showthread.php?tid=682 Tue, 13 Jul 2010 13:24:26 +0000 http://www.seekgod.ca/forum/showthread.php?tid=682 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mel_Gibson#Personal_life
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/07/07...38482.html
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/06/27...26974.html
http://tinyurl.com/2uj9ecc (WARNING: don't listen to the audio unless you want your ears burned off from the barrage of F-bombs dropped by Gibson. I use that word all the time but I am not setting myself up as some kind of saint.)

Gullible Protestants practically canonized Gibson because of The Passion of the False Christ. http://www.seekgod.ca/topicmovie.htm I assume he is still a Catholic, yet he divorced his wife with whom he had seven kids, and started dating Oksana Grigorieva, with whom he has one kid born out of wedlock last year. She is apparently saying that he knocks her around, once while she was holding the child. And he seems to like using ethnic slurs. Gibson's cheering squads from The Snuff Film of the False Christ are conspicuous by their silence.]]> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mel_Gibson#Personal_life
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/07/07...38482.html
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/06/27...26974.html
http://tinyurl.com/2uj9ecc (WARNING: don't listen to the audio unless you want your ears burned off from the barrage of F-bombs dropped by Gibson. I use that word all the time but I am not setting myself up as some kind of saint.)

Gullible Protestants practically canonized Gibson because of The Passion of the False Christ. http://www.seekgod.ca/topicmovie.htm I assume he is still a Catholic, yet he divorced his wife with whom he had seven kids, and started dating Oksana Grigorieva, with whom he has one kid born out of wedlock last year. She is apparently saying that he knocks her around, once while she was holding the child. And he seems to like using ethnic slurs. Gibson's cheering squads from The Snuff Film of the False Christ are conspicuous by their silence.]]> <![CDATA[Hello all]]> http://www.seekgod.ca/forum/showthread.php?tid=680 Mon, 05 Jul 2010 15:50:46 +0000 http://www.seekgod.ca/forum/showthread.php?tid=680 <![CDATA[Anger and a root of bitterness]]> http://www.seekgod.ca/forum/showthread.php?tid=679 Thu, 01 Jul 2010 18:39:30 +0000 http://www.seekgod.ca/forum/showthread.php?tid=679 have forgiven people, but I've forgotten how. Th_emotionsshrug I have a "root of bitterness" that would make a giant redwood tree jealous and I dunno how to get rid of it.

Nowadays I know that God has all along wanted me to get rid of anger. This sounds very odd, but I love surreal art and my fav surrealist artist is an Academy Award-winning filmmaker named Zbigniew Rybczynski. I have liked his music videos since 1984. His first name means "to dispel anger". I am not making this up.
http://www.babynamespedia.com/meaning/Zbigniew
http://www.behindthename.com/nmc/pol2.php

Mind you I've liked this artist for longer than 25 years but I only found out what his name meant a few years ago. If this isn't God reminding me that I need to dispel my own anger I dunno what is. I wish I knew how to do it, because feeling angry all the time is hardly a picnic for me and I am usually miserable. Badday]]> have forgiven people, but I've forgotten how. Th_emotionsshrug I have a "root of bitterness" that would make a giant redwood tree jealous and I dunno how to get rid of it.

Nowadays I know that God has all along wanted me to get rid of anger. This sounds very odd, but I love surreal art and my fav surrealist artist is an Academy Award-winning filmmaker named Zbigniew Rybczynski. I have liked his music videos since 1984. His first name means "to dispel anger". I am not making this up.
http://www.babynamespedia.com/meaning/Zbigniew
http://www.behindthename.com/nmc/pol2.php

Mind you I've liked this artist for longer than 25 years but I only found out what his name meant a few years ago. If this isn't God reminding me that I need to dispel my own anger I dunno what is. I wish I knew how to do it, because feeling angry all the time is hardly a picnic for me and I am usually miserable. Badday]]> <![CDATA[Coffee and tea!]]> http://www.seekgod.ca/forum/showthread.php?tid=678 Wed, 30 Jun 2010 16:13:43 +0000 http://www.seekgod.ca/forum/showthread.php?tid=678 Icon_tea

coffee/tea smileys, I would presume that this forum Smiley-coffee Food-smiley-010

is full of my fellow caffeine fiends. 10294 Coffeebath

I usually get my caffeine from sodas, but I'd take coffee and black/orange tea as long as it had A LOT of sugar and cream in it. Green tea I can take straight alongside Asian food but it still tastes better with sugar. Living in San Francisco nearly killed my taste for coffee, because they brew it too strong. Especially Turkish coffee. Turkish coffee is brewed to "La Brea" strength and the grounds are included in the cup, which means drinking it is like drinking asphalt. You practically need a power sander to get the bitterness off your tongue. Yuk]]> Icon_tea

coffee/tea smileys, I would presume that this forum Smiley-coffee Food-smiley-010

is full of my fellow caffeine fiends. 10294 Coffeebath

I usually get my caffeine from sodas, but I'd take coffee and black/orange tea as long as it had A LOT of sugar and cream in it. Green tea I can take straight alongside Asian food but it still tastes better with sugar. Living in San Francisco nearly killed my taste for coffee, because they brew it too strong. Especially Turkish coffee. Turkish coffee is brewed to "La Brea" strength and the grounds are included in the cup, which means drinking it is like drinking asphalt. You practically need a power sander to get the bitterness off your tongue. Yuk]]> <![CDATA[The Ammonites and Moabites]]> http://www.seekgod.ca/forum/showthread.php?tid=677 Tue, 29 Jun 2010 21:03:45 +0000 http://www.seekgod.ca/forum/showthread.php?tid=677
Neh 13:1 On that day they read in the book of Moses in the audience of the people; and therein was found written, that the Ammonite and the Moabite should not come into the congregation of God for ever;

Why were these tribes forbidden? I thought Ruth was a Moabitess.]]>
Neh 13:1 On that day they read in the book of Moses in the audience of the people; and therein was found written, that the Ammonite and the Moabite should not come into the congregation of God for ever;

Why were these tribes forbidden? I thought Ruth was a Moabitess.]]> <![CDATA[Hello from Tallen]]> http://www.seekgod.ca/forum/showthread.php?tid=676 Mon, 28 Jun 2010 14:39:53 +0000 http://www.seekgod.ca/forum/showthread.php?tid=676
Looking forward to sharing with you all.

Blessings.]]>
Looking forward to sharing with you all.

Blessings.]]> <![CDATA[The Five "Solas"]]> http://www.seekgod.ca/forum/showthread.php?tid=675 Sun, 27 Jun 2010 15:57:26 +0000 http://www.seekgod.ca/forum/showthread.php?tid=675 Forgive me, but I don't really understand the purpose of the 5 solas. I found this on wikipedia which is basic info.
So what do you all think of it? Questionmark

Quote:The Five solas are five Latin phrases that emerged during the Protestant Reformation and summarize the Reformers' basic theological beliefs in contradistinction to the teaching of the Roman Catholic Church of the day. The Latin word sola means "alone" or "only" in English. The five solas articulated five fundamental beliefs of the Protestant Reformation, pillars which the Reformers believed to be essentials of the Christian life and practice. All five of the "solas" implicitly reject or counter the then prevailing status quo, the Catholic Church, which had, in the various reformers' minds, usurped divine attributes or qualities for the church, its hierarchy, and especially, its head, the Pope.

The 5 solas are:

“Sola Scriptura” (Scripture Alone)
“Sola Gratia” (Grace Alone)
“Sola Fide” (Faith Alone)
“Solus Christus” (Christ Alone)
“Soli Deo Gloria” (To God Alone Be Glory).
]]> Forgive me, but I don't really understand the purpose of the 5 solas. I found this on wikipedia which is basic info.
So what do you all think of it? Questionmark

Quote:The Five solas are five Latin phrases that emerged during the Protestant Reformation and summarize the Reformers' basic theological beliefs in contradistinction to the teaching of the Roman Catholic Church of the day. The Latin word sola means "alone" or "only" in English. The five solas articulated five fundamental beliefs of the Protestant Reformation, pillars which the Reformers believed to be essentials of the Christian life and practice. All five of the "solas" implicitly reject or counter the then prevailing status quo, the Catholic Church, which had, in the various reformers' minds, usurped divine attributes or qualities for the church, its hierarchy, and especially, its head, the Pope.

The 5 solas are:

“Sola Scriptura” (Scripture Alone)
“Sola Gratia” (Grace Alone)
“Sola Fide” (Faith Alone)
“Solus Christus” (Christ Alone)
“Soli Deo Gloria” (To God Alone Be Glory).
]]> <![CDATA[Hi my name is Travis]]> http://www.seekgod.ca/forum/showthread.php?tid=674 Sun, 27 Jun 2010 14:41:21 +0000 http://www.seekgod.ca/forum/showthread.php?tid=674 .

I have to say sense my early teen hood which maybe is 12-14 and now I turning 25 this year. I love theology and defending the gospel against false teachings etc... I believe in The Holy trinity and the five solas.

I love God word and studying it with others as his word commands us by saying study unto the approval of God ,a workmanship has nothing to be ashamed of rightly dividing the word of truth.

my Name is Travis is this is little info on me and you be seeing me more in duo time.

may The lord keep you and may he bless you ways God bless.]]> .

I have to say sense my early teen hood which maybe is 12-14 and now I turning 25 this year. I love theology and defending the gospel against false teachings etc... I believe in The Holy trinity and the five solas.

I love God word and studying it with others as his word commands us by saying study unto the approval of God ,a workmanship has nothing to be ashamed of rightly dividing the word of truth.

my Name is Travis is this is little info on me and you be seeing me more in duo time.

may The lord keep you and may he bless you ways God bless.]]> <![CDATA[A Scripture that describes Hebrew Roots]]> http://www.seekgod.ca/forum/showthread.php?tid=673 Sat, 26 Jun 2010 15:58:29 +0000 http://www.seekgod.ca/forum/showthread.php?tid=673 Act 15:5 But there rose up certain of the sect of the Pharisees which believed, saying, That it was needful to circumcise them, and to command [them] to keep the law of Moses.
Act 15:6 And the apostles and elders came together for to consider of this matter.
Act 15:7 And when there had been much disputing, Peter rose up, and said unto them, Men [and] brethren, ye know how that a good while ago God made choice among us, that the Gentiles by my mouth should hear the word of the gospel, and believe.
Act 15:8 And God, which knoweth the hearts, bare them witness, giving them the Holy Ghost, even as [he did] unto us;
Act 15:9 And put no difference between us and them, purifying their hearts by faith.
Act 15:10 Now therefore why tempt ye God, to put a yoke upon the neck of the disciples, which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear?
Act 15:11 But we believe that through the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ we shall be saved, even as they.

I found this while looking up the verse that says to abstain from eating strangled things and blood (and presumably live animals), Acts 15:20. I was thinking of a sadistic "gourmet" dish called pressed duck, made by strangling a duck to preserve its blood, which will then become part of its sauce. Yuk]]> Act 15:5 But there rose up certain of the sect of the Pharisees which believed, saying, That it was needful to circumcise them, and to command [them] to keep the law of Moses.
Act 15:6 And the apostles and elders came together for to consider of this matter.
Act 15:7 And when there had been much disputing, Peter rose up, and said unto them, Men [and] brethren, ye know how that a good while ago God made choice among us, that the Gentiles by my mouth should hear the word of the gospel, and believe.
Act 15:8 And God, which knoweth the hearts, bare them witness, giving them the Holy Ghost, even as [he did] unto us;
Act 15:9 And put no difference between us and them, purifying their hearts by faith.
Act 15:10 Now therefore why tempt ye God, to put a yoke upon the neck of the disciples, which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear?
Act 15:11 But we believe that through the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ we shall be saved, even as they.

I found this while looking up the verse that says to abstain from eating strangled things and blood (and presumably live animals), Acts 15:20. I was thinking of a sadistic "gourmet" dish called pressed duck, made by strangling a duck to preserve its blood, which will then become part of its sauce. Yuk]]>