http://www.seekgod.ca/forum/ Tue, 16 Mar 2010 20:17:03 +0000 MyBB http://www.seekgod.ca/forum/showthread.php?tid=622 Sun, 14 Mar 2010 17:11:53 -0400 http://www.seekgod.ca/forum/showthread.php?tid=622 Codex Magica. Some of the mishmash of links on http://texemarrs.com/links.htm are rather nasty, like "Jew Watch" and Lew Rockwell. The clincher for me is the radio interview he did three days ago with the neo-Nazi site Stormfront dot org, archived below on archive.org:

http://www.archive.org/details/DerekBlac...m3-11-2010

Anyone who calls themselves Christian and runs a site may want to make sure they aren't on his link list.]]> Codex Magica. Some of the mishmash of links on http://texemarrs.com/links.htm are rather nasty, like "Jew Watch" and Lew Rockwell. The clincher for me is the radio interview he did three days ago with the neo-Nazi site Stormfront dot org, archived below on archive.org:

http://www.archive.org/details/DerekBlac...m3-11-2010

Anyone who calls themselves Christian and runs a site may want to make sure they aren't on his link list.]]> http://www.seekgod.ca/forum/showthread.php?tid=619 Fri, 12 Mar 2010 16:33:29 -0500 http://www.seekgod.ca/forum/showthread.php?tid=619 Q. What kind of man was Boaz before he married Ruth?
A. Ruthless.

Q. What do they call pastors in Germany ?
A. German Shepherds.

Q. Who was the greatest financier in the Bible?
A. Noah He was floating his stock while everyone else was in liquidation.

Q. Who was the greatest female financier in the Bible?
A. Pharaoh's daughter. She went down to the bank of the Nile and drew out a little prophet.

Q. What kind of motor vehicles are in the Bible?
A. David's Triumph was heard throughout the land. Also, probably a Honda, because the apostles were all in one Accord.

Q.. Who was the greatest comedian in the Bible?
A. Samson. He brought the house down.

Q. What excuse did Adam give to his children as to why he no longer lived in Eden ?
A. Your mother ate us out of house and home.

Q. Which servant of God was the most flagrant lawbreaker in the Bible?
A. Moses. He broke all 10 commandments at once.

Q. Which area of Palestine was especially wealthy?
A. The area around Jordan, the banks were always overflowing.

Q. Who is the greatest babysitter mentioned in the Bible?
A. David. He rocked Goliath to a very deep sleep.

Q. Which Bible character had no parents?
A. Joshua, son of Nun.

Q. Why didn't they play cards on the Ark ?
A. Because Noah was standing on the deck. (Groan ......)

PS. Did you know it's a sin for a woman to make coffee?
Yup, it's in the Bible. It says . . . "He-brews"]]> Q. What kind of man was Boaz before he married Ruth?
A. Ruthless.

Q. What do they call pastors in Germany ?
A. German Shepherds.

Q. Who was the greatest financier in the Bible?
A. Noah He was floating his stock while everyone else was in liquidation.

Q. Who was the greatest female financier in the Bible?
A. Pharaoh's daughter. She went down to the bank of the Nile and drew out a little prophet.

Q. What kind of motor vehicles are in the Bible?
A. David's Triumph was heard throughout the land. Also, probably a Honda, because the apostles were all in one Accord.

Q.. Who was the greatest comedian in the Bible?
A. Samson. He brought the house down.

Q. What excuse did Adam give to his children as to why he no longer lived in Eden ?
A. Your mother ate us out of house and home.

Q. Which servant of God was the most flagrant lawbreaker in the Bible?
A. Moses. He broke all 10 commandments at once.

Q. Which area of Palestine was especially wealthy?
A. The area around Jordan, the banks were always overflowing.

Q. Who is the greatest babysitter mentioned in the Bible?
A. David. He rocked Goliath to a very deep sleep.

Q. Which Bible character had no parents?
A. Joshua, son of Nun.

Q. Why didn't they play cards on the Ark ?
A. Because Noah was standing on the deck. (Groan ......)

PS. Did you know it's a sin for a woman to make coffee?
Yup, it's in the Bible. It says . . . "He-brews"]]> http://www.seekgod.ca/forum/showthread.php?tid=618 Fri, 12 Mar 2010 16:30:24 -0500 http://www.seekgod.ca/forum/showthread.php?tid=618 garden, but it was very hard work. His only son, Clemence, who used to
help him, was in Polsmoor Prison. The old man wrote a letter to his son and described his predicament.

"Dear Clemence, I am feeling pretty bad because it looks like I won't be able to plant my potato garden this year. I'm just
getting too old to be digging up a garden plot. If you were here, all
my troubles would be over. I know you would dig the plot for me.
Love,
Papa"

A few days later he received a letter from his son.

"Dear Papa, For heaven's sake, Papa, don't dig up that garden, that's
where I Buried the BODIES. Love, Clemence"

At 4 A.M. the next morning, the Scorpion Unit, NIA agents and local police showed up and dug up the entire area without finding any bodies.
They apologized to the old man and left. That same day the old man received another letter from his son.

"Dear Papa, Go ahead and plant the potatoes now. That's the best I could
do under the circumstances. Love Clemence."]]> garden, but it was very hard work. His only son, Clemence, who used to
help him, was in Polsmoor Prison. The old man wrote a letter to his son and described his predicament.

"Dear Clemence, I am feeling pretty bad because it looks like I won't be able to plant my potato garden this year. I'm just
getting too old to be digging up a garden plot. If you were here, all
my troubles would be over. I know you would dig the plot for me.
Love,
Papa"

A few days later he received a letter from his son.

"Dear Papa, For heaven's sake, Papa, don't dig up that garden, that's
where I Buried the BODIES. Love, Clemence"

At 4 A.M. the next morning, the Scorpion Unit, NIA agents and local police showed up and dug up the entire area without finding any bodies.
They apologized to the old man and left. That same day the old man received another letter from his son.

"Dear Papa, Go ahead and plant the potatoes now. That's the best I could
do under the circumstances. Love Clemence."]]> http://www.seekgod.ca/forum/showthread.php?tid=617 Thu, 11 Mar 2010 15:02:00 -0500 http://www.seekgod.ca/forum/showthread.php?tid=617
"Go in this thy might, ...... have not I sent thee?' Judges 6:14. I feel very inadequate, I need to trust that the Lord's strength for me is also for my son.

http://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?...963&ref=nf]]>
"Go in this thy might, ...... have not I sent thee?' Judges 6:14. I feel very inadequate, I need to trust that the Lord's strength for me is also for my son.

http://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?...963&ref=nf]]> http://www.seekgod.ca/forum/showthread.php?tid=616 Wed, 10 Mar 2010 10:51:40 -0500 http://www.seekgod.ca/forum/showthread.php?tid=616 http://www.seekgod.ca/forum/showthread.php?tid=614 Mon, 08 Mar 2010 14:59:21 -0500 http://www.seekgod.ca/forum/showthread.php?tid=614 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6rp_OWlAI3U
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GGUaXogrcpA

Meow.]]> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6rp_OWlAI3U
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GGUaXogrcpA

Meow.]]> http://www.seekgod.ca/forum/showthread.php?tid=613 Sun, 07 Mar 2010 11:48:44 -0500 http://www.seekgod.ca/forum/showthread.php?tid=613
I am a wife and mother of 2 lovely children. I found Christ in 2002 and have been seeking His Truth ever since.

I have recently discovered the SeekGod website and think it is one of the best sites I have read on the HRM. It is presented in a very Biblically sound and Christ centered manner, which I appreciate greatly and has led me to join the forum here.

My first love and loyalty is to Christ and His Body. For this reason it grieves my heart and soul to see His Truth and His Body being compromised with pharisee leaven, ie. rabbinic, talmudic, kabbalistic doctrines.

Mat 16:6 Then Jesus said unto them, Take heed and beware of the leaven of the Pharisees and of the Sadducees.

Mat 16:12 Then understood they how that he bade [them] not beware of the leaven of bread, but of the doctrine of the Pharisees and of the Sadducees.

Gal 5:9 A little leaven leaveneth the whole lump.

It is my desire to find fellowship with other Christians who see this too.

Also, please know that I believe very strongly that the OT needs to be read through the lens of the NT.......not the other way around.

May the Lord Bless our fellowship and lead us into all Truth in the Name of Jesus Christ,
luki]]>
I am a wife and mother of 2 lovely children. I found Christ in 2002 and have been seeking His Truth ever since.

I have recently discovered the SeekGod website and think it is one of the best sites I have read on the HRM. It is presented in a very Biblically sound and Christ centered manner, which I appreciate greatly and has led me to join the forum here.

My first love and loyalty is to Christ and His Body. For this reason it grieves my heart and soul to see His Truth and His Body being compromised with pharisee leaven, ie. rabbinic, talmudic, kabbalistic doctrines.

Mat 16:6 Then Jesus said unto them, Take heed and beware of the leaven of the Pharisees and of the Sadducees.

Mat 16:12 Then understood they how that he bade [them] not beware of the leaven of bread, but of the doctrine of the Pharisees and of the Sadducees.

Gal 5:9 A little leaven leaveneth the whole lump.

It is my desire to find fellowship with other Christians who see this too.

Also, please know that I believe very strongly that the OT needs to be read through the lens of the NT.......not the other way around.

May the Lord Bless our fellowship and lead us into all Truth in the Name of Jesus Christ,
luki]]> http://www.seekgod.ca/forum/showthread.php?tid=612 Sat, 06 Mar 2010 11:27:04 -0500 http://www.seekgod.ca/forum/showthread.php?tid=612 http://www.seekgod.ca/forum/showthread.php?tid=609 Wed, 03 Mar 2010 10:54:44 -0500 http://www.seekgod.ca/forum/showthread.php?tid=609 http://news.bostonherald.com/news/region...ition=also

Even religious circumcisions would be forbidden if it passes. Of course the NT says that nowadays God doesn't care if boys and men are circumcised or not--possibly excepting cases like Timothy's where men will be witnessing to Jews--but this proposal reeks of religious discrimination since circumcision is integral to the Jewish faith.

Thoughts? ]]> http://news.bostonherald.com/news/region...ition=also

Even religious circumcisions would be forbidden if it passes. Of course the NT says that nowadays God doesn't care if boys and men are circumcised or not--possibly excepting cases like Timothy's where men will be witnessing to Jews--but this proposal reeks of religious discrimination since circumcision is integral to the Jewish faith.

Thoughts? ]]> http://www.seekgod.ca/forum/showthread.php?tid=608 Tue, 02 Mar 2010 10:33:59 -0500 http://www.seekgod.ca/forum/showthread.php?tid=608 ]]> ]]> http://www.seekgod.ca/forum/showthread.php?tid=607 Mon, 01 Mar 2010 17:51:39 -0500 http://www.seekgod.ca/forum/showthread.php?tid=607 himself a Natzarim and claims to have had an Orthodox conversion to Judaism.

On his website he has this letter posted, claiming it is a "Letter from then-Chief Rabbi Mordekhai Eliyahu Extending His Blessing to Yi•rәmәyâh′ u Bën-Dâ•vid′ (Van Nest's "Hebrew" name):



However what the letter actually says is:

" Office of the Rishon LeZion Chief Rabbi of Israel

B"H, 24 Sivan 5752

To:
Mr. Yirmeyahu ben David (may He watch him and give him life)
Raanana

Peace and blessing!

We have received your letter to his honor the Rishon LeZion Chief Rabbi of Israel, Mordecai Eliyahu (may he have a good long life!) and your words within it.

Your letter has been brought for the perusal of his honor the Rishon LeZion.

I wish you blessing and success.

With blessing and all goodness,

Rabbi Shmuel Zaafrani
Personal Assistant

All this is is a form letter acknowledging that the Chief Rabbi's office has received a letter from Van Nest....nothing more. And look at the date-
you think he could come up with something a little more recent.

---

A link that gives a better view of this letter of "blessings" from the Chief rabbi:

http://www.netzarim.co.il/Shared/Temunot...00x816.jpg]]> himself a Natzarim and claims to have had an Orthodox conversion to Judaism.

On his website he has this letter posted, claiming it is a "Letter from then-Chief Rabbi Mordekhai Eliyahu Extending His Blessing to Yi•rәmәyâh′ u Bën-Dâ•vid′ (Van Nest's "Hebrew" name):



However what the letter actually says is:

" Office of the Rishon LeZion Chief Rabbi of Israel

B"H, 24 Sivan 5752

To:
Mr. Yirmeyahu ben David (may He watch him and give him life)
Raanana

Peace and blessing!

We have received your letter to his honor the Rishon LeZion Chief Rabbi of Israel, Mordecai Eliyahu (may he have a good long life!) and your words within it.

Your letter has been brought for the perusal of his honor the Rishon LeZion.

I wish you blessing and success.

With blessing and all goodness,

Rabbi Shmuel Zaafrani
Personal Assistant

All this is is a form letter acknowledging that the Chief Rabbi's office has received a letter from Van Nest....nothing more. And look at the date-
you think he could come up with something a little more recent.

---

A link that gives a better view of this letter of "blessings" from the Chief rabbi:

http://www.netzarim.co.il/Shared/Temunot...00x816.jpg]]> http://www.seekgod.ca/forum/showthread.php?tid=606 Sun, 28 Feb 2010 01:39:16 -0500 http://www.seekgod.ca/forum/showthread.php?tid=606 ]]> ]]> http://www.seekgod.ca/forum/showthread.php?tid=605 Sat, 27 Feb 2010 10:02:54 -0500 http://www.seekgod.ca/forum/showthread.php?tid=605
If anyone knows how to reach the lecturers or professional staff involved, please do so on my behalf. I know that I had considerable Chassidic opposition, because of my previous work with Chabad of the Space Coast.

Thank you, if anyone could assist me in this matter.]]>
If anyone knows how to reach the lecturers or professional staff involved, please do so on my behalf. I know that I had considerable Chassidic opposition, because of my previous work with Chabad of the Space Coast.

Thank you, if anyone could assist me in this matter.]]> http://www.seekgod.ca/forum/showthread.php?tid=604 Fri, 26 Feb 2010 17:32:51 -0500 http://www.seekgod.ca/forum/showthread.php?tid=604 http://www.boblarson.org/
http://twitter.com/blarsonexorcist

I had never seen his site before, so I had no idea he was actually calling himself an "exorcist", nor was I aware he had a regular show on the Sci-Fi Channel, of all places. He's a charismatic who can apparently cause evil spirits to manifest in people. He wants the spirits to manifest. He actually talks to them. None of what I have seen him do seems Scripturally based.

]]> http://www.boblarson.org/
http://twitter.com/blarsonexorcist

I had never seen his site before, so I had no idea he was actually calling himself an "exorcist", nor was I aware he had a regular show on the Sci-Fi Channel, of all places. He's a charismatic who can apparently cause evil spirits to manifest in people. He wants the spirits to manifest. He actually talks to them. None of what I have seen him do seems Scripturally based.

]]> http://www.seekgod.ca/forum/showthread.php?tid=603 Sat, 20 Feb 2010 00:25:01 -0500 http://www.seekgod.ca/forum/showthread.php?tid=603

who are the 144,000?

Revelation 14

The Lamb and the 144,000

1Then I looked, and behold, on(A) Mount Zion(B) stood the Lamb, and with him© 144,000 who(D) had his name and his Father’s name written(E) on their foreheads. 2And I heard a voice from heaven(F) like the roar of many waters and(G) like the sound of loud thunder. The voice I heard was like the sound of(H) harpists playing on their harps, 3and they were singing(I) a new song before the throne and before the four living creatures and before the elders.(J) No one could learn that song except the 144,000 who had been redeemed from the earth. 4It is these who have not defiled themselves with women, for(K) they are virgins. It is these(L) who follow the Lamb wherever he goes. These have been redeemed from mankind as(M) firstfruits for God and the Lamb, 5and(N) in their mouth no lie was found, for they are(O) blameless.

Revelation 7

The 144,000 of Israel Sealed

1After this I saw four angels standing at the four corners of the earth, holding back(A) the four winds of the earth,(B) that no wind might blow on earth or sea or against any tree. 2Then I saw another angel ascending© from the rising of the sun, with(D) the seal of the living God, and he called with a loud voice to the four angels who had been given power to harm earth and sea, 3saying,(E) "Do not harm the earth or the sea or the trees, until we have sealed the servants[a] of our God(F) on their foreheads." 4And(G) I heard the number of the sealed, 144,000, sealed from every tribe of the sons of Israel:
512,000 from the tribe of Judah were sealed,12,000 from the tribe of Reuben,12,000 from the tribe of Gad, 612,000 from the tribe of Asher,12,000 from the tribe of Naphtali,12,000 from the tribe of Manasseh, 712,000 from the tribe of Simeon,12,000 from the tribe of Levi,12,000 from the tribe of Issachar, 812,000 from the tribe of Zebulun,12,000 from the tribe of Joseph,12,000 from the tribe of Benjamin were sealed.]]>

who are the 144,000?

Revelation 14

The Lamb and the 144,000

1Then I looked, and behold, on(A) Mount Zion(B) stood the Lamb, and with him© 144,000 who(D) had his name and his Father’s name written(E) on their foreheads. 2And I heard a voice from heaven(F) like the roar of many waters and(G) like the sound of loud thunder. The voice I heard was like the sound of(H) harpists playing on their harps, 3and they were singing(I) a new song before the throne and before the four living creatures and before the elders.(J) No one could learn that song except the 144,000 who had been redeemed from the earth. 4It is these who have not defiled themselves with women, for(K) they are virgins. It is these(L) who follow the Lamb wherever he goes. These have been redeemed from mankind as(M) firstfruits for God and the Lamb, 5and(N) in their mouth no lie was found, for they are(O) blameless.

Revelation 7

The 144,000 of Israel Sealed

1After this I saw four angels standing at the four corners of the earth, holding back(A) the four winds of the earth,(B) that no wind might blow on earth or sea or against any tree. 2Then I saw another angel ascending© from the rising of the sun, with(D) the seal of the living God, and he called with a loud voice to the four angels who had been given power to harm earth and sea, 3saying,(E) "Do not harm the earth or the sea or the trees, until we have sealed the servants[a] of our God(F) on their foreheads." 4And(G) I heard the number of the sealed, 144,000, sealed from every tribe of the sons of Israel:
512,000 from the tribe of Judah were sealed,12,000 from the tribe of Reuben,12,000 from the tribe of Gad, 612,000 from the tribe of Asher,12,000 from the tribe of Naphtali,12,000 from the tribe of Manasseh, 712,000 from the tribe of Simeon,12,000 from the tribe of Levi,12,000 from the tribe of Issachar, 812,000 from the tribe of Zebulun,12,000 from the tribe of Joseph,12,000 from the tribe of Benjamin were sealed.]]> http://www.seekgod.ca/forum/showthread.php?tid=602 Thu, 18 Feb 2010 22:35:20 -0500 http://www.seekgod.ca/forum/showthread.php?tid=602 ]]> ]]> http://www.seekgod.ca/forum/showthread.php?tid=601 Wed, 17 Feb 2010 14:35:33 -0500 http://www.seekgod.ca/forum/showthread.php?tid=601 I've been thinking about some things. In some of the discussions it has become obvious that many Christians over the years have done somewhat like the Jews have done. That is, they have made their doctrines from the writings and opinons of others, elevating such as equal to or more authoritative than the Word of God. To me it's literally rabbinic christianity.

For example, we know that the catholic clergy dictate what the scriptures mean and determine what followers do, believe and allow.

During the reformation we see such things as the Geneva bible --which I mentioned in another thread but am going to post in here: http://www.seekgod.ca/forum/showthread.php?tid=526&page=4

"The Geneva Bible is the Bible with marginal notes authored by John Calvin, John Knox, Miles Coverdale, and many other leaders of the Reformation. The Geneva Bible was the predominant English translation during the period in which the English and Scottish Reformations gained great impetus. Iain Murray, in his classic work on revival and the interpretation of prophecy, The Puritan Hope, notes, "... the two groups in England and Scotland developed along parallel lines, like two streams originating at one fountain. The fountain was not so much Geneva, as the Bible which the exiles newly translated and issued with many marginal notes... it was read in every Presbyterian and Puritan home in both realms"

"...The translation is the work of religious leaders exiled from England after the death of King Edward VI in 1553. Almost every chapter has marginal notes to create greater understanding of scripture. The marginal notes often reflected Calvinistic and Protestant reformation influences, not yet accepted by the Church of England. King James I in the late 16th century pronounced the Geneva Bible marginal notes as being: "partial, untrue, seditious, and savouring of dangerous and traitorous conceits." ...The Church of England never authorized or sanctioned the Geneva Bible."

"....the extensive collection of marginal notes that it contains. Prominent Reformation leaders such as John Calvin, John Knox, Miles Coverdale, William Whittingham, Theodore Beza, and Anthony Gilby wrote the majority of these notes in order to explain and interpret the scriptures. The notes comprise nearly 300,000 words, or nearly one-third the length of the Bible itself, and they are justifiably considered the most complete source of Protestant religious thought available." http://www.reformedreader.org/gbn/en.htm

And this is the most important quote >>>> "When this version disappeared, the people complained that they “Could not see into the sense of Scripture for lack of the spectacles of those Genevan annotations.” "http://www.genevabible.com/introduction.html

Then we have the Scofield Bible -written by a man who abandoned his family etc.... http://www.seekgod.ca/forum/showthread.php?tid=162 and all his arduous notes printed as part of the Word of God but aptly called the Scofield Bible....by many, who fully and completely adhere to the doctrines encased in those notes.

From him and others came dispensationalism, rapture doctrine etc. We see many 'leaders' involved in making new bibles/paraphrases and changing doctrine or making new doctrine....

We see leaders incorporating contemplative and new age beliefs, peddaling books to bring those who would follow them to their way of thinking.

So much of what is being called doctrine is based on someones' bias and interpretation of the Scriptures, and making them equal to or above the standard of the Scriptures themselves. Because people spend more time reading those things than studying to show themselves approved. What happened to each being accountable to study to show themselves approved? What happend to allowing God to open our understanding--as Jesus did the apostles and others...in order to understand HIS Word?

I think that when people say they intepret the scriptures through the lens of : XXXX denomination; XXX confession of faith; leader XXX teachings; descriptive labels, catch phrases etc as being scriptural and how one is to vew the Scriptures; needing to have 'systematic' theology; needing to go to 'bible' school in order to be considered as one knowing the bible.....all manmade doctrines....

It has elevated individuals into 'leadership roles' and people willingly give them the authority to tell them what the bible says, and what to believe. And they never take time to examine it all and prove what is right before God.

We are to have the mind of Christ. In fact Scriptures tell us that when we have Christ, and have the indwelling Holy Spirit, he teaches us the things that are freely given by God to those who love Him.

1 Corinthians 2:5-10 That your faith should not stand in the wisdom of men, but in the power of God. 6. Howbeit we speak wisdom among them that are perfect: yet not the wisdom of this world, nor of the princes of this world, that come to nought: 7. But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom, which God ordained before the world unto our glory: 8. Which none of the princes of this world knew: for had they known it, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory. 9. But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him. 10. But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God.

1 Corinthians 2:11-16 For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God. 12. Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God. 13. Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual. 14. But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned. 15. But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man. 16. For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? But we have the mind of Christ.

It also says to prove all things, --meaning to the Word of God and also factually--and

1 John 2:26-27 These things have I written unto you concerning them that seduce you. 27. But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.

Joh 6:45 It is written in the prophets, And they shall be all taught of God. Every man therefore that hath heard, and hath learned of the Father, cometh unto me.

Isa 40:11 He shall feed his flock like a shepherd: he shall gather the lambs with his arm, and carry them in his bosom, and shall gently lead those that are with young.

We are called to follow Jesus Christ not men....no matter how sound they may be. To be likeminded in Christ, minding the things of Christ, is a wonderful thing. But we are also told:

Colossians 2:6-10 As ye have therefore received Christ Jesus the Lord, so walk ye in him: 7. Rooted and built up in him, and stablished in the faith, as ye have been taught, abounding therein with thanksgiving. 8. Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ. 9. For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. 10. And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power:

John 15:1-8 I am the true vine, and my Father is the husbandman. 2. Every branch in me that beareth not fruit he taketh away: and every branch that beareth fruit, he purgeth it, that it may bring forth more fruit. 3. Now ye are clean through the word which I have spoken unto you. 4. Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me. 5. I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing . 6. If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned. 7. If ye abide in me, and my words abide in you, ye shall ask what ye will, and it shall be done unto you. 8. Herein is my Father glorified, that ye bear much fruit; so shall ye be my disciples.

1Co 1:4 I thank my God always on your behalf, for the grace of God which is given you by Jesus Christ;
1Co 1:5 That in every thing ye are enriched by him, in all utterance, and in all knowledge;
1Co 1:6 Even as the testimony of Christ was confirmed in you:
1Co 1:7 So that ye come behind in no gift; waiting for the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ:

1Co 1:17 For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel: not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of none effect.
1Co 1:18 For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.
1Co 1:19 For it is written, I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and will bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent.
1Co 1:20 Where is the wise? where is the scribe? where is the disputer of this world? hath not God made foolish the wisdom of this world?
1Co 1:21 For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.

1Co 2:5 That your faith should not stand in the wisdom of men, but in the power of God.

1 Corinthians 3:18-21 Let no man deceive himself. If any man among you seemeth to be wise in this world, let him become a fool, that he may be wise.
19. For the wisdom of this world is foolishness with God. For it is written, He taketh the wise in their own craftiness.
20. And again, The Lord knoweth the thoughts of the wise, that they are vain. 21. Therefore let no man glory in men. For all things are yours;

1Co 1:30 But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption:
1Co 1:31 That, according as it is written, He that glorieth, let him glory in the Lord.

So what do you think about these things? ]]> I've been thinking about some things. In some of the discussions it has become obvious that many Christians over the years have done somewhat like the Jews have done. That is, they have made their doctrines from the writings and opinons of others, elevating such as equal to or more authoritative than the Word of God. To me it's literally rabbinic christianity.

For example, we know that the catholic clergy dictate what the scriptures mean and determine what followers do, believe and allow.

During the reformation we see such things as the Geneva bible --which I mentioned in another thread but am going to post in here: http://www.seekgod.ca/forum/showthread.php?tid=526&page=4

"The Geneva Bible is the Bible with marginal notes authored by John Calvin, John Knox, Miles Coverdale, and many other leaders of the Reformation. The Geneva Bible was the predominant English translation during the period in which the English and Scottish Reformations gained great impetus. Iain Murray, in his classic work on revival and the interpretation of prophecy, The Puritan Hope, notes, "... the two groups in England and Scotland developed along parallel lines, like two streams originating at one fountain. The fountain was not so much Geneva, as the Bible which the exiles newly translated and issued with many marginal notes... it was read in every Presbyterian and Puritan home in both realms"

"...The translation is the work of religious leaders exiled from England after the death of King Edward VI in 1553. Almost every chapter has marginal notes to create greater understanding of scripture. The marginal notes often reflected Calvinistic and Protestant reformation influences, not yet accepted by the Church of England. King James I in the late 16th century pronounced the Geneva Bible marginal notes as being: "partial, untrue, seditious, and savouring of dangerous and traitorous conceits." ...The Church of England never authorized or sanctioned the Geneva Bible."

"....the extensive collection of marginal notes that it contains. Prominent Reformation leaders such as John Calvin, John Knox, Miles Coverdale, William Whittingham, Theodore Beza, and Anthony Gilby wrote the majority of these notes in order to explain and interpret the scriptures. The notes comprise nearly 300,000 words, or nearly one-third the length of the Bible itself, and they are justifiably considered the most complete source of Protestant religious thought available." http://www.reformedreader.org/gbn/en.htm

And this is the most important quote >>>> "When this version disappeared, the people complained that they “Could not see into the sense of Scripture for lack of the spectacles of those Genevan annotations.” "http://www.genevabible.com/introduction.html

Then we have the Scofield Bible -written by a man who abandoned his family etc.... http://www.seekgod.ca/forum/showthread.php?tid=162 and all his arduous notes printed as part of the Word of God but aptly called the Scofield Bible....by many, who fully and completely adhere to the doctrines encased in those notes.

From him and others came dispensationalism, rapture doctrine etc. We see many 'leaders' involved in making new bibles/paraphrases and changing doctrine or making new doctrine....

We see leaders incorporating contemplative and new age beliefs, peddaling books to bring those who would follow them to their way of thinking.

So much of what is being called doctrine is based on someones' bias and interpretation of the Scriptures, and making them equal to or above the standard of the Scriptures themselves. Because people spend more time reading those things than studying to show themselves approved. What happened to each being accountable to study to show themselves approved? What happend to allowing God to open our understanding--as Jesus did the apostles and others...in order to understand HIS Word?

I think that when people say they intepret the scriptures through the lens of : XXXX denomination; XXX confession of faith; leader XXX teachings; descriptive labels, catch phrases etc as being scriptural and how one is to vew the Scriptures; needing to have 'systematic' theology; needing to go to 'bible' school in order to be considered as one knowing the bible.....all manmade doctrines....

It has elevated individuals into 'leadership roles' and people willingly give them the authority to tell them what the bible says, and what to believe. And they never take time to examine it all and prove what is right before God.

We are to have the mind of Christ. In fact Scriptures tell us that when we have Christ, and have the indwelling Holy Spirit, he teaches us the things that are freely given by God to those who love Him.

1 Corinthians 2:5-10 That your faith should not stand in the wisdom of men, but in the power of God. 6. Howbeit we speak wisdom among them that are perfect: yet not the wisdom of this world, nor of the princes of this world, that come to nought: 7. But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom, which God ordained before the world unto our glory: 8. Which none of the princes of this world knew: for had they known it, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory. 9. But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him. 10. But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God.

1 Corinthians 2:11-16 For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God. 12. Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God. 13. Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual. 14. But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned. 15. But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man. 16. For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? But we have the mind of Christ.

It also says to prove all things, --meaning to the Word of God and also factually--and

1 John 2:26-27 These things have I written unto you concerning them that seduce you. 27. But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.

Joh 6:45 It is written in the prophets, And they shall be all taught of God. Every man therefore that hath heard, and hath learned of the Father, cometh unto me.

Isa 40:11 He shall feed his flock like a shepherd: he shall gather the lambs with his arm, and carry them in his bosom, and shall gently lead those that are with young.

We are called to follow Jesus Christ not men....no matter how sound they may be. To be likeminded in Christ, minding the things of Christ, is a wonderful thing. But we are also told:

Colossians 2:6-10 As ye have therefore received Christ Jesus the Lord, so walk ye in him: 7. Rooted and built up in him, and stablished in the faith, as ye have been taught, abounding therein with thanksgiving. 8. Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ. 9. For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. 10. And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power:

John 15:1-8 I am the true vine, and my Father is the husbandman. 2. Every branch in me that beareth not fruit he taketh away: and every branch that beareth fruit, he purgeth it, that it may bring forth more fruit. 3. Now ye are clean through the word which I have spoken unto you. 4. Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me. 5. I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing . 6. If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned. 7. If ye abide in me, and my words abide in you, ye shall ask what ye will, and it shall be done unto you. 8. Herein is my Father glorified, that ye bear much fruit; so shall ye be my disciples.

1Co 1:4 I thank my God always on your behalf, for the grace of God which is given you by Jesus Christ;
1Co 1:5 That in every thing ye are enriched by him, in all utterance, and in all knowledge;
1Co 1:6 Even as the testimony of Christ was confirmed in you:
1Co 1:7 So that ye come behind in no gift; waiting for the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ:

1Co 1:17 For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel: not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of none effect.
1Co 1:18 For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.
1Co 1:19 For it is written, I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and will bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent.
1Co 1:20 Where is the wise? where is the scribe? where is the disputer of this world? hath not God made foolish the wisdom of this world?
1Co 1:21 For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.

1Co 2:5 That your faith should not stand in the wisdom of men, but in the power of God.

1 Corinthians 3:18-21 Let no man deceive himself. If any man among you seemeth to be wise in this world, let him become a fool, that he may be wise.
19. For the wisdom of this world is foolishness with God. For it is written, He taketh the wise in their own craftiness.
20. And again, The Lord knoweth the thoughts of the wise, that they are vain. 21. Therefore let no man glory in men. For all things are yours;

1Co 1:30 But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption:
1Co 1:31 That, according as it is written, He that glorieth, let him glory in the Lord.

So what do you think about these things? ]]> http://www.seekgod.ca/forum/showthread.php?tid=600 Tue, 16 Feb 2010 22:00:43 -0500 http://www.seekgod.ca/forum/showthread.php?tid=600
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