<![CDATA[SeekGod.ca Discussion Forum - All Forums]]> http://www.seekgod.ca/forum/ Thu, 17 May 2012 02:44:41 +0000 MyBB <![CDATA[Fiery darts, God's mercy]]> http://www.seekgod.ca/forum/showthread.php?tid=956 Fri, 11 May 2012 01:42:12 +0000 http://www.seekgod.ca/forum/showthread.php?tid=956
Whenever somethng bad happens to me, the first instinct is to accuse God of punishing me. I have been bombarded with piles of guilt-ridden thoughts and it got to a point where I was asking God to kill me or allow me to kill myself because I cannot bear it when these thoughts flood my brain. In addition to killing my parents, I have thoughts of all the evil, hurtful junk I had done to innocent people throughout my life and I never apologized to those poor people for hurting them. I have had to live with this stuff all day, every day. It's unbearable. I thought that God was punishing me, but my aunt told me (in effect) that Satan sends those sort of thoughts.

I asked my aunt to pray for me and I asked God (well, screamed to Him) to have mercy on me and help me stop accusing Him of what Satan does. Since Satan is the father of lies, of course he would try to make me believe that God was behind those thoughts. I read a lot of verses on this site that were precisely what I needed. It took me a while to realize that the bad thoughts were Satanic fiery darts and that by asking for prayers and asking God to save me I was taking up the Shield of Faith. The day after that my brain was essentially free of those thoughts. It is as if my begging God to have mercy and having prayers said for me caused Satan to slither away like the snake he is. I read the verses about persecution in some of the older threads, but all this time I thought they were referring to persecution only by humans. Of course Satan will exploit human weaknesses to destroy our faith. If he tried to do it to Jesus while He was fasting in the wilderness, he will certainly do it to ordinary humans.

The last few days after that "clear" day those evil thoughts have occasionally tried to re-invade my brain, and when that happens I say out loud something like "thank you God for showing me that Satan is behind those thoughts and having mercy on me, and help me not to accuse You of what Satan does". After praying out loud, those thoughts deflate like an untied balloon. Satan is an already-defeated lying coward who can't stand the Truth of God. God has already stated in Revelation what He will do to that old snake. It feels good to know firsthand what "ye shall know the Truth and the Truth shall set you free" means. God definitely led me to read the particular posts on this site that were what I desperately needed at that time.

Eph 6:13 Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand.
Eph 6:14 Stand therefore, having your loins girt about with truth, and having on the breastplate of righteousness;
Eph 6:15 And your feet shod with the preparation of the gospel of peace;
Eph 6:16 Above all, taking the shield of faith, wherewith ye shall be able to quench all the fiery darts of the wicked.
Eph 6:17 And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God:

Psalm 136:1 (and quite a few other Psalms) O give thanks unto the LORD; for [he is] good: for his mercy [endureth] for ever.]]>
Whenever somethng bad happens to me, the first instinct is to accuse God of punishing me. I have been bombarded with piles of guilt-ridden thoughts and it got to a point where I was asking God to kill me or allow me to kill myself because I cannot bear it when these thoughts flood my brain. In addition to killing my parents, I have thoughts of all the evil, hurtful junk I had done to innocent people throughout my life and I never apologized to those poor people for hurting them. I have had to live with this stuff all day, every day. It's unbearable. I thought that God was punishing me, but my aunt told me (in effect) that Satan sends those sort of thoughts.

I asked my aunt to pray for me and I asked God (well, screamed to Him) to have mercy on me and help me stop accusing Him of what Satan does. Since Satan is the father of lies, of course he would try to make me believe that God was behind those thoughts. I read a lot of verses on this site that were precisely what I needed. It took me a while to realize that the bad thoughts were Satanic fiery darts and that by asking for prayers and asking God to save me I was taking up the Shield of Faith. The day after that my brain was essentially free of those thoughts. It is as if my begging God to have mercy and having prayers said for me caused Satan to slither away like the snake he is. I read the verses about persecution in some of the older threads, but all this time I thought they were referring to persecution only by humans. Of course Satan will exploit human weaknesses to destroy our faith. If he tried to do it to Jesus while He was fasting in the wilderness, he will certainly do it to ordinary humans.

The last few days after that "clear" day those evil thoughts have occasionally tried to re-invade my brain, and when that happens I say out loud something like "thank you God for showing me that Satan is behind those thoughts and having mercy on me, and help me not to accuse You of what Satan does". After praying out loud, those thoughts deflate like an untied balloon. Satan is an already-defeated lying coward who can't stand the Truth of God. God has already stated in Revelation what He will do to that old snake. It feels good to know firsthand what "ye shall know the Truth and the Truth shall set you free" means. God definitely led me to read the particular posts on this site that were what I desperately needed at that time.

Eph 6:13 Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand.
Eph 6:14 Stand therefore, having your loins girt about with truth, and having on the breastplate of righteousness;
Eph 6:15 And your feet shod with the preparation of the gospel of peace;
Eph 6:16 Above all, taking the shield of faith, wherewith ye shall be able to quench all the fiery darts of the wicked.
Eph 6:17 And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God:

Psalm 136:1 (and quite a few other Psalms) O give thanks unto the LORD; for [he is] good: for his mercy [endureth] for ever.]]> <![CDATA[The number 40]]> http://www.seekgod.ca/forum/showthread.php?tid=955 Mon, 07 May 2012 20:51:07 +0000 http://www.seekgod.ca/forum/showthread.php?tid=955 http://www.blueletterbible.org/search/tr...orty&t=KJV

According to the Blue Letter Bible (KJV), the word "forty" appears 158 times in 145 verses in the KJV. To quote all of them, which I had planned to do, would take like 4 pages. I am referring to the verses where "forty" is not part of a bigger number (e.g. 840, 42, 40,000). Forty days and forty nights, forty years in the widerness, forty stripes, et cetera. Particularly 40 days and 40 nights, since it occurs very often.]]> http://www.blueletterbible.org/search/tr...orty&t=KJV

According to the Blue Letter Bible (KJV), the word "forty" appears 158 times in 145 verses in the KJV. To quote all of them, which I had planned to do, would take like 4 pages. I am referring to the verses where "forty" is not part of a bigger number (e.g. 840, 42, 40,000). Forty days and forty nights, forty years in the widerness, forty stripes, et cetera. Particularly 40 days and 40 nights, since it occurs very often.]]> <![CDATA[Chuck Colson dead]]> http://www.seekgod.ca/forum/showthread.php?tid=954 Sat, 05 May 2012 00:59:35 +0000 http://www.seekgod.ca/forum/showthread.php?tid=954 http://www.deadoraliveinfo.com/dead.nsf/...on+Charles

I only saw this today (at least I cannot recall seeing it previously). I dunno a whole lot about this guy except that he had something to do with Nixon/Watergate and that the dude at cuttingedge.org doesn't like him. I am fairly sure I have seen his name in the articles on this site.]]> http://www.deadoraliveinfo.com/dead.nsf/...on+Charles

I only saw this today (at least I cannot recall seeing it previously). I dunno a whole lot about this guy except that he had something to do with Nixon/Watergate and that the dude at cuttingedge.org doesn't like him. I am fairly sure I have seen his name in the articles on this site.]]> <![CDATA[Possibly Jonah's big fish?]]> http://www.seekgod.ca/forum/showthread.php?tid=953 Tue, 24 Apr 2012 04:32:48 +0000 http://www.seekgod.ca/forum/showthread.php?tid=953 http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-...shark.html

In the Book of Jonah it says he was swallowed by a big fish rather than a whale. After hearing and reading some facts about sharks, e.g. that some species take longer than most fish to digest what they have swallowed, I wondered if he was in fact eaten by a gigantic filter-feeding shark. A whale shark would easily be able to swallow a human whole and alive, as is frighteningly proven by the pics in the article.]]> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-...shark.html

In the Book of Jonah it says he was swallowed by a big fish rather than a whale. After hearing and reading some facts about sharks, e.g. that some species take longer than most fish to digest what they have swallowed, I wondered if he was in fact eaten by a gigantic filter-feeding shark. A whale shark would easily be able to swallow a human whole and alive, as is frighteningly proven by the pics in the article.]]> <![CDATA[Is this why my parents died?]]> http://www.seekgod.ca/forum/showthread.php?tid=952 Tue, 17 Apr 2012 20:34:34 +0000 http://www.seekgod.ca/forum/showthread.php?tid=952
I did love my mother more than God and I probably still do. I fear God more than I love Him. Ever since my mother died I have been wondering this. Did He take my mother because I loved her more than Him? Or did He take her because I was cruel to her? It's hard for me not to blame God for it, but when I do I beg Him to forgive me for blaming Him, because I know ultimately that it's really my fault that she died.]]>
I did love my mother more than God and I probably still do. I fear God more than I love Him. Ever since my mother died I have been wondering this. Did He take my mother because I loved her more than Him? Or did He take her because I was cruel to her? It's hard for me not to blame God for it, but when I do I beg Him to forgive me for blaming Him, because I know ultimately that it's really my fault that she died.]]> <![CDATA[Interfaith marriage]]> http://www.seekgod.ca/forum/showthread.php?tid=951 Mon, 16 Apr 2012 16:53:46 +0000 http://www.seekgod.ca/forum/showthread.php?tid=951 <![CDATA[The last trump and how many times does Jesus return?]]> http://www.seekgod.ca/forum/showthread.php?tid=950 Fri, 30 Mar 2012 14:36:13 +0000 http://www.seekgod.ca/forum/showthread.php?tid=950 I occassionally get asked about the rapture or return of Christ in various ways.

Some of the things that are never answered, to my satisifaction anyway, by those who hold various beliefs, is this:

Many use

1Co 15:50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.
1Co 15:51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
1Co 15:52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
1Co 15:53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.

And will say that is referring to the rapture.

However, 'at the last trump' means when?

How many last trumps are there?

How many times does Jesus leave heaven to come back and what Scripture proves it?

last G2078
ἔσχατος
eschatos
Thayer Definition:
1) extreme
1a) last in time or in place
1b) last in a series of places
1c) last in a temporal succession
2) the last
2a) last, referring to time
2b) of space, the uttermost part, the end, of the earth
2c) of rank, grade of worth, last, i.e. lowest
Part of Speech: adjective
A Related Word by Thayer’s/Strong’s Number: a superlative probably from G2192 (in the sense of contiguity)


How do these fit in:

Mat 24:26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.
Mat 24:27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
Mat 24:28 For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together.
Mat 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
Mat 24:30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
Mat 24:31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

Mat 24:36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.
Mat 24:37 But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
Mat 24:38 For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark,
Mat 24:39 And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
Mat 24:40 Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
Mat 24:41 Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
Mat 24:42 Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come.
Mat 24:43 But know this, that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken up.
Mat 24:44 Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh.
Mat 24:45 Who then is a faithful and wise servant, whom his lord hath made ruler over his household, to give them meat in due season?
Mat 24:46 Blessed is that servant, whom his lord when he cometh shall find so doing.

Mar 8:38 Whosoever therefore shall be ashamed of me and of my words in this adulterous and sinful generation; of him also shall the Son of man be ashamed, when he cometh in the glory of his Father with the holy angels.

Luk 21:25 And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring;
Luk 21:26 Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken.
Luk 21:27 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory.
Luk 21:28 And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh.

Rev 1:7 Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.
]]> I occassionally get asked about the rapture or return of Christ in various ways.

Some of the things that are never answered, to my satisifaction anyway, by those who hold various beliefs, is this:

Many use

1Co 15:50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.
1Co 15:51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
1Co 15:52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
1Co 15:53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.

And will say that is referring to the rapture.

However, 'at the last trump' means when?

How many last trumps are there?

How many times does Jesus leave heaven to come back and what Scripture proves it?

last G2078
ἔσχατος
eschatos
Thayer Definition:
1) extreme
1a) last in time or in place
1b) last in a series of places
1c) last in a temporal succession
2) the last
2a) last, referring to time
2b) of space, the uttermost part, the end, of the earth
2c) of rank, grade of worth, last, i.e. lowest
Part of Speech: adjective
A Related Word by Thayer’s/Strong’s Number: a superlative probably from G2192 (in the sense of contiguity)


How do these fit in:

Mat 24:26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.
Mat 24:27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
Mat 24:28 For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together.
Mat 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
Mat 24:30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
Mat 24:31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

Mat 24:36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.
Mat 24:37 But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
Mat 24:38 For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark,
Mat 24:39 And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
Mat 24:40 Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
Mat 24:41 Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
Mat 24:42 Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come.
Mat 24:43 But know this, that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken up.
Mat 24:44 Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh.
Mat 24:45 Who then is a faithful and wise servant, whom his lord hath made ruler over his household, to give them meat in due season?
Mat 24:46 Blessed is that servant, whom his lord when he cometh shall find so doing.

Mar 8:38 Whosoever therefore shall be ashamed of me and of my words in this adulterous and sinful generation; of him also shall the Son of man be ashamed, when he cometh in the glory of his Father with the holy angels.

Luk 21:25 And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring;
Luk 21:26 Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken.
Luk 21:27 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory.
Luk 21:28 And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh.

Rev 1:7 Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.
]]> <![CDATA[Diary about "Judging" ]]> http://www.seekgod.ca/forum/showthread.php?tid=947 Mon, 26 Mar 2012 15:16:57 +0000 http://www.seekgod.ca/forum/showthread.php?tid=947 I am starting this thread anew for our new member "alternative thinker". As noted, newbies are not allowed to start threads or post links until 50 posts.

Here is the entire original post as it was posted....Please address comments to this post to "alternative thinker".


Diary about "Judging"

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Diary about "Judging"
I was just writing my diary, and found my self-discussion interresting, and unsettled. I hope someone on this forum has an opinion about "Juding" others, cause I'm not sure how to appoach the subject in my life.

Here is what I wrote:

"Judge not, and you will not be judged; condemn not, and you will not be condemned"
Luke 6.37

How do I judge others? Inside my head I draw many conclusions about other people. In other words, I judge them. When you judge a man, does that mean that you evaluate a person's deeds, as good / evil?
The image quickly emerges about a person, which is based on the person's behavior, the first impression, the stories they tell (what their mouths runs over with). You combine these details into YOUR picture of that person. From this picture, it is virtually impossible not to do judge that person.
I can not help but to "judge" certain deeds made by people, as right or wrong.
Yet it is what a Christians should aspire to.
For though I have the Bible as a guide, I have no insight into what God assess as good or evil. If everything has a meaning, everything has a plan, then the situations, actions and circumstances that take place, are a necessity to reach the end goal.

How to avoid judging people then?
I pray to Jesus to learn to accept (and perhaps to understand?) the situations and circumstances that take place.
I pray that i may be completely open-minded towards everyone I meet.

Can I not tell people about what is right and wrong?
May I for my part, assess what is right and wrong?
Luke 6.37 does not say you cannot " judge others ", it says "Judge not, as in, judge nothing, whatsoever ... Nor you, nor specific situations, outages, etc ".

I must do what the Bible says, without judging if it right or wrong?
We must pray for forgiveness.

This seems like one of the main points in the NT. We therefore need to evaluate ourselves. Which must mean that we must make self-assessments in which we weigh our deeds.
If the deed is assessed as evil, we must ask forgiveness for it .... or put another way; we must be aware of our sin, and be able to see the wrong of the sin and accept that what you did was wrong. Once you have accepted it, one can then learn from it and thus find it easier to do the right thing, in a similar situation in the future.

Ok, so we should "not judge", but may we assess? We certainly must evaluate ourselves.
Do we want to evaluate others? How can we assess others without judging them? To assess a person, we need to know everything about the people. We know ourselves quite well, though not as good as God, therefore we can have self-assessments. Since we only know a fraction of what is happening in other people, we are unable to assess them. When you still access them, you will, automatically evaluate their actions as being good or evil, and therefore judges on behalf of that person. One therefor assesses on behalf of another person, whether that man 'in God's eyes' acted in sin or not. Acted correctly or incorrectly.
By doing that I'm judging!]]> I am starting this thread anew for our new member "alternative thinker". As noted, newbies are not allowed to start threads or post links until 50 posts.

Here is the entire original post as it was posted....Please address comments to this post to "alternative thinker".


Diary about "Judging"

Today, 05:49 am (This post was last modified: Today 06:00 am by alternative thinker.) Post: #1 |
alternative thinker
Newbie

Posts: 1
Joined: Mar-26-2012


Diary about "Judging"
I was just writing my diary, and found my self-discussion interresting, and unsettled. I hope someone on this forum has an opinion about "Juding" others, cause I'm not sure how to appoach the subject in my life.

Here is what I wrote:

"Judge not, and you will not be judged; condemn not, and you will not be condemned"
Luke 6.37

How do I judge others? Inside my head I draw many conclusions about other people. In other words, I judge them. When you judge a man, does that mean that you evaluate a person's deeds, as good / evil?
The image quickly emerges about a person, which is based on the person's behavior, the first impression, the stories they tell (what their mouths runs over with). You combine these details into YOUR picture of that person. From this picture, it is virtually impossible not to do judge that person.
I can not help but to "judge" certain deeds made by people, as right or wrong.
Yet it is what a Christians should aspire to.
For though I have the Bible as a guide, I have no insight into what God assess as good or evil. If everything has a meaning, everything has a plan, then the situations, actions and circumstances that take place, are a necessity to reach the end goal.

How to avoid judging people then?
I pray to Jesus to learn to accept (and perhaps to understand?) the situations and circumstances that take place.
I pray that i may be completely open-minded towards everyone I meet.

Can I not tell people about what is right and wrong?
May I for my part, assess what is right and wrong?
Luke 6.37 does not say you cannot " judge others ", it says "Judge not, as in, judge nothing, whatsoever ... Nor you, nor specific situations, outages, etc ".

I must do what the Bible says, without judging if it right or wrong?
We must pray for forgiveness.

This seems like one of the main points in the NT. We therefore need to evaluate ourselves. Which must mean that we must make self-assessments in which we weigh our deeds.
If the deed is assessed as evil, we must ask forgiveness for it .... or put another way; we must be aware of our sin, and be able to see the wrong of the sin and accept that what you did was wrong. Once you have accepted it, one can then learn from it and thus find it easier to do the right thing, in a similar situation in the future.

Ok, so we should "not judge", but may we assess? We certainly must evaluate ourselves.
Do we want to evaluate others? How can we assess others without judging them? To assess a person, we need to know everything about the people. We know ourselves quite well, though not as good as God, therefore we can have self-assessments. Since we only know a fraction of what is happening in other people, we are unable to assess them. When you still access them, you will, automatically evaluate their actions as being good or evil, and therefore judges on behalf of that person. One therefor assesses on behalf of another person, whether that man 'in God's eyes' acted in sin or not. Acted correctly or incorrectly.
By doing that I'm judging!]]> <![CDATA[Religion - what does it do?]]> http://www.seekgod.ca/forum/showthread.php?tid=944 Sun, 25 Mar 2012 00:10:58 +0000 http://www.seekgod.ca/forum/showthread.php?tid=944
"Faith is the coward’s substitute for courage. It’s also really good marketing if you’re the one who controls the faith. If you’re afraid or unwilling to ssume total responsibility for your life, you’re a perfect match for religion. - Steve Pavlina"

Mary:
So be it. Happy to be God's own fool. One thing I've noticed though, on a daily basis, is that not only does my faith get me through, it gets a whole bunch of unbelievers who are in my prayers through events, difficulties, disappointments and often overwhelming odds against them, through too. So faith, if it's a cowards's courage it is a courage that is shared and actually quite powerful.:D

Con:
On balance, Mary, things turn out positively or negatively in equal measure for those who attribute things to faith and for those who don't. Naturally, those who "have faith" ascribe their positive outcomes to a higher power (or whatever), and their negative outcomes to being "part of the plan"...

Clay: I should stay out of this one, but there is that saying "That God helps those who help themselves", and there is the other argument where you see pictures of sportmen looking up at the sky to thank God for the game they have just won VS the...



Con: Heh, heh, Clay - I generally only post items in support of my world view when I've recently suffered a surfeit of religious platitudes imposed by God's fan club. What you say reminds me of the old saying: Religion is like a p*** - its fine to have one but you shouldn't go forcing it down other people's throats... (and my personal addendum - especially not childten's throats).

Con: More Steve Pavlina:
Religions are very effective at turning human beings into sheep. They’re among the most powerful instruments of social conditioning. They operate by eroding your trust in your own intellect, gradually convincing you to put your trust into some external entity, such as a deity, prominent figure, or great book. Of course these instruments are usually controlled by those who administrate the minion training program, but they don’t have to be. Simply by convincing you to give your power away to something outside yourself, religion will condition you to be weaker, more docile, and easier to control. Religions actively promote this weakening process as if it were beneficial, commonly branding it with the word faith. What they’re actually promoting is submission.

Religions strive to fill your head with so much nonsense that your only recourse is to bow your head in submission, often quite literally. Get used to spending a lot of time on your knees because acts of submission such as bowing and kneeling are frequently incorporated into religious practice. Canine obedience training uses similar tactics. Now say, “Yes, Master.”

Mary
the "saying" god helps... should be "gods" and comes from one of Aesop's fables. The saying has no place in the Christian faith, but I can see that it will be often needed in any other faith.

Mary:
I'd be interested in Steve Pavlina's comments on China. Now let's look at the "sheep" issue. If you know Christianity, as you claim to do, you will know that it's starts off with the presumption that people are in fact sheep. "All we like sheep have gone astray" "we are His sheep" and "My sheep hear my voice". So Christianity at least of all ""religions" cannot be accused of turning people into sheep, because it recognises that we already are sheep. You talk about religion being a tool of social conditioning. Come to Australia, a very secular country and you will see immediately how very obvious and intrusively secular social conditioning operates here. You talk about shoving religion down children's throats, again come to Australia where you will see Hitler's belief in incremental operation: ' that if the people can be made to believe that things are being done for the "good" of their children they will accept it, and believe me, like sheep they do.

Let's talk about submission. It is a fact of life, and something we all have to do daily in one way or another, consciously, sub- consciously, willingly or unwillingly. Sadly most people submit willingly without much thought about what they are submitting to. The Christian faith is very clear on submission, on who to submit to and how to submit and when to submit. There is no subterfuge, or hidden agenda in the Christian faith with regard to submission. Marriage is presented as a picture of beautiful and mutual submission and demonstrates the partnership and interchangeability of the master/submissive relationship. In Christianity no matter how you may have experienced or are experiencing the "religion" of Christianity; whether you are a child, adolescent or adult, you have to make the choice to accept Jesus Christ as the son of God and the Saviour. It is a personal, between you and God decision. Religion becomes irrelevant at that point.]]>
"Faith is the coward’s substitute for courage. It’s also really good marketing if you’re the one who controls the faith. If you’re afraid or unwilling to ssume total responsibility for your life, you’re a perfect match for religion. - Steve Pavlina"

Mary:
So be it. Happy to be God's own fool. One thing I've noticed though, on a daily basis, is that not only does my faith get me through, it gets a whole bunch of unbelievers who are in my prayers through events, difficulties, disappointments and often overwhelming odds against them, through too. So faith, if it's a cowards's courage it is a courage that is shared and actually quite powerful.:D

Con:
On balance, Mary, things turn out positively or negatively in equal measure for those who attribute things to faith and for those who don't. Naturally, those who "have faith" ascribe their positive outcomes to a higher power (or whatever), and their negative outcomes to being "part of the plan"...

Clay: I should stay out of this one, but there is that saying "That God helps those who help themselves", and there is the other argument where you see pictures of sportmen looking up at the sky to thank God for the game they have just won VS the...



Con: Heh, heh, Clay - I generally only post items in support of my world view when I've recently suffered a surfeit of religious platitudes imposed by God's fan club. What you say reminds me of the old saying: Religion is like a p*** - its fine to have one but you shouldn't go forcing it down other people's throats... (and my personal addendum - especially not childten's throats).

Con: More Steve Pavlina:
Religions are very effective at turning human beings into sheep. They’re among the most powerful instruments of social conditioning. They operate by eroding your trust in your own intellect, gradually convincing you to put your trust into some external entity, such as a deity, prominent figure, or great book. Of course these instruments are usually controlled by those who administrate the minion training program, but they don’t have to be. Simply by convincing you to give your power away to something outside yourself, religion will condition you to be weaker, more docile, and easier to control. Religions actively promote this weakening process as if it were beneficial, commonly branding it with the word faith. What they’re actually promoting is submission.

Religions strive to fill your head with so much nonsense that your only recourse is to bow your head in submission, often quite literally. Get used to spending a lot of time on your knees because acts of submission such as bowing and kneeling are frequently incorporated into religious practice. Canine obedience training uses similar tactics. Now say, “Yes, Master.”

Mary
the "saying" god helps... should be "gods" and comes from one of Aesop's fables. The saying has no place in the Christian faith, but I can see that it will be often needed in any other faith.

Mary:
I'd be interested in Steve Pavlina's comments on China. Now let's look at the "sheep" issue. If you know Christianity, as you claim to do, you will know that it's starts off with the presumption that people are in fact sheep. "All we like sheep have gone astray" "we are His sheep" and "My sheep hear my voice". So Christianity at least of all ""religions" cannot be accused of turning people into sheep, because it recognises that we already are sheep. You talk about religion being a tool of social conditioning. Come to Australia, a very secular country and you will see immediately how very obvious and intrusively secular social conditioning operates here. You talk about shoving religion down children's throats, again come to Australia where you will see Hitler's belief in incremental operation: ' that if the people can be made to believe that things are being done for the "good" of their children they will accept it, and believe me, like sheep they do.

Let's talk about submission. It is a fact of life, and something we all have to do daily in one way or another, consciously, sub- consciously, willingly or unwillingly. Sadly most people submit willingly without much thought about what they are submitting to. The Christian faith is very clear on submission, on who to submit to and how to submit and when to submit. There is no subterfuge, or hidden agenda in the Christian faith with regard to submission. Marriage is presented as a picture of beautiful and mutual submission and demonstrates the partnership and interchangeability of the master/submissive relationship. In Christianity no matter how you may have experienced or are experiencing the "religion" of Christianity; whether you are a child, adolescent or adult, you have to make the choice to accept Jesus Christ as the son of God and the Saviour. It is a personal, between you and God decision. Religion becomes irrelevant at that point.]]> <![CDATA[hellloooooo in christ ]]> http://www.seekgod.ca/forum/showthread.php?tid=940 Thu, 22 Mar 2012 03:36:10 +0000 http://www.seekgod.ca/forum/showthread.php?tid=940
For the last 2-3 years my mom (went through a hurtful divorce, with lots of emotional scars still today) has found lots of love and help from the RCC making many friends, listening sermons from the priests, loving church worship, etc. So her faith has been reignited in the Church.

8 months ago she took me to a youth retreat for the weekend to a charismatic catholic church. I remember feeling peaceful, happy because many of us youths were weeping,praising god the whole weekend healing our troubled homes. I remember going to mass the sunday after the retreat, feeling righteous and holy but something was missing. The mass felt empty, vain, boring to me (i couldn't understand why.) Wasn't thrilled about doing rosaries, other prayers, confessing my sins to a man, believing Christ is in a bread, praising jesus once a week in a church building. All these masses of healing,prosperity, happiness, etc. I wondered why so many rules/regulations to follow Christ and make him happy.

2 or 3 months after my retreat weekend and still going to church i would walk by a saved homeless man today around the park, and he had signs like around the corner like "salvation is of grace"... "get out of the church"... "christmas: satan's coming to town ho ho ho". Wasn't after like the 2rd or 3rd occasion walking past him, that i let go of my pride and just follow what my heart was saying and to speak with that man personally. Spoke with wisdom and truth, he would refer me to a couple of websites, videos to see. Told me to buy my King James bible, interlinear bible, answer my questions about the purpose of religion, satans tricks/deception, theology, etc.

Ive been growing spiritually with my faith with Jesus Christ alone, the king of kings the one that deserves all the glory in this world. That by following him we will be saved, at the cost of denying ourselves and suffering/struggling with trials in his name which this world hates. It isn't easy but we have to keep our bodies undefiled for the holy ghost of course. Amazing his mercy and love. Oh praise that he has opened my eyes/ears that by following this world and its pleasures will lead to death. I just pray more and more people, especially more of my family get to know him, because he resides in your heart and gives you a love that is so pure and divine Smile]]>
For the last 2-3 years my mom (went through a hurtful divorce, with lots of emotional scars still today) has found lots of love and help from the RCC making many friends, listening sermons from the priests, loving church worship, etc. So her faith has been reignited in the Church.

8 months ago she took me to a youth retreat for the weekend to a charismatic catholic church. I remember feeling peaceful, happy because many of us youths were weeping,praising god the whole weekend healing our troubled homes. I remember going to mass the sunday after the retreat, feeling righteous and holy but something was missing. The mass felt empty, vain, boring to me (i couldn't understand why.) Wasn't thrilled about doing rosaries, other prayers, confessing my sins to a man, believing Christ is in a bread, praising jesus once a week in a church building. All these masses of healing,prosperity, happiness, etc. I wondered why so many rules/regulations to follow Christ and make him happy.

2 or 3 months after my retreat weekend and still going to church i would walk by a saved homeless man today around the park, and he had signs like around the corner like "salvation is of grace"... "get out of the church"... "christmas: satan's coming to town ho ho ho". Wasn't after like the 2rd or 3rd occasion walking past him, that i let go of my pride and just follow what my heart was saying and to speak with that man personally. Spoke with wisdom and truth, he would refer me to a couple of websites, videos to see. Told me to buy my King James bible, interlinear bible, answer my questions about the purpose of religion, satans tricks/deception, theology, etc.

Ive been growing spiritually with my faith with Jesus Christ alone, the king of kings the one that deserves all the glory in this world. That by following him we will be saved, at the cost of denying ourselves and suffering/struggling with trials in his name which this world hates. It isn't easy but we have to keep our bodies undefiled for the holy ghost of course. Amazing his mercy and love. Oh praise that he has opened my eyes/ears that by following this world and its pleasures will lead to death. I just pray more and more people, especially more of my family get to know him, because he resides in your heart and gives you a love that is so pure and divine Smile]]> <![CDATA[hebrew roots strain of scripture]]> http://www.seekgod.ca/forum/showthread.php?tid=938 Tue, 06 Mar 2012 14:01:37 +0000 http://www.seekgod.ca/forum/showthread.php?tid=938 <![CDATA[Newbie here]]> http://www.seekgod.ca/forum/showthread.php?tid=936 Tue, 28 Feb 2012 23:09:49 +0000 http://www.seekgod.ca/forum/showthread.php?tid=936
Thought I should register so I could post here. A little about me. I was Baptized in a Baptist church when I was about 12 years old. Was raised in a Christian environment. I later stopped going to church but mostly out of lack of meaning to me. I joined the service at 19. During my earlier years I began searching for a church that taught the Bible and not specific denominational dogma. I was able to find a coworker that got me into a Faith ministry. I finally felt at home.

Several years and much reading later I eventually stopped going to church again due to church splits, etc. I actually listened to a pastor who I found out later was the 2nd pastor that had been with Jim Bakker back when he was with Jessica Hahn. This was supposed to be a spirit filled church. I was floored.

I mostly considered myself a semi backslidden Christian who is fairly knowledgeable of the word with emphasis on Faith.

Back last April(2011) I met a lady and we began dating. When we first began seeing each other one of the things she told me was she was a Messianic. That word was not familiar to me at least in reference to being a Christian and not Jewish. So I began doing internet searches for information. In the beginning I guess I didn't really find much negative. We spent a lot of time together. She would listen to internet teaching of her favorite "teachers" Some are the well know ones we see mentioned so much Rood, Judah, etc. Initially I didn't really hear all that much bad stuff. But after some time listening with her I began to notice some irregularities. Which we discussed.

One of the first things I noticed was these guys rarely mentioned the New Testament and when they mentioned Jesus(using their terms of course) it was almost in passing.

Fast forward to 5 months into a perfect relationship. All of a sudden I get the message from her that she didn't think she could be with anyone who doesn't keep Sabbath or Torah. Needless to say I was floored. It took a few weeks but we were finally able to get our relationship going again.

However from that point forward my reading, study and research reached epic levels. lol It was then that I found sites like this and JGIG, Hebrew4Christians, fortheloveofthetruth, etc. I think Jgig was the first good one I spent time on. God Bless her. Now I read and read and read and read. I feel like I was getting a new education on a belief system I never knew existed.

Well our relationship lasted until...get this... Jan 1st. Losing her is like a death to me. I am hurting so bad now. But I continue to stay in the word and pray for us. I now know she has been under a lot of false teaching. I do know her heart and know she does want to please God. But, what little I tried, I could not get to her about being a LAW keeper. Many times when we discussed things it would get quite heated. Although we never, ever fought about anything. It was only spiritual things where things got heated. I prayed and prayed for God to give me the words to use. Most of the time however I kept silent because I didn't want to stir up the hornets nest. My girlfriend had been doing this stuff for 10 years. She was very knowledgeable of the Bible. I didn't know how to counter this belief system.

I'm getting ready to send her a small package in the mail which will include some pertinent documents I've found on these sites. One of them will be Sheepwrecked's story. I don't want to overload her but at least give her some foundation on where what she has been hearing might not be totally correct.

Anyway that's my story. ;)

Felix]]>
Thought I should register so I could post here. A little about me. I was Baptized in a Baptist church when I was about 12 years old. Was raised in a Christian environment. I later stopped going to church but mostly out of lack of meaning to me. I joined the service at 19. During my earlier years I began searching for a church that taught the Bible and not specific denominational dogma. I was able to find a coworker that got me into a Faith ministry. I finally felt at home.

Several years and much reading later I eventually stopped going to church again due to church splits, etc. I actually listened to a pastor who I found out later was the 2nd pastor that had been with Jim Bakker back when he was with Jessica Hahn. This was supposed to be a spirit filled church. I was floored.

I mostly considered myself a semi backslidden Christian who is fairly knowledgeable of the word with emphasis on Faith.

Back last April(2011) I met a lady and we began dating. When we first began seeing each other one of the things she told me was she was a Messianic. That word was not familiar to me at least in reference to being a Christian and not Jewish. So I began doing internet searches for information. In the beginning I guess I didn't really find much negative. We spent a lot of time together. She would listen to internet teaching of her favorite "teachers" Some are the well know ones we see mentioned so much Rood, Judah, etc. Initially I didn't really hear all that much bad stuff. But after some time listening with her I began to notice some irregularities. Which we discussed.

One of the first things I noticed was these guys rarely mentioned the New Testament and when they mentioned Jesus(using their terms of course) it was almost in passing.

Fast forward to 5 months into a perfect relationship. All of a sudden I get the message from her that she didn't think she could be with anyone who doesn't keep Sabbath or Torah. Needless to say I was floored. It took a few weeks but we were finally able to get our relationship going again.

However from that point forward my reading, study and research reached epic levels. lol It was then that I found sites like this and JGIG, Hebrew4Christians, fortheloveofthetruth, etc. I think Jgig was the first good one I spent time on. God Bless her. Now I read and read and read and read. I feel like I was getting a new education on a belief system I never knew existed.

Well our relationship lasted until...get this... Jan 1st. Losing her is like a death to me. I am hurting so bad now. But I continue to stay in the word and pray for us. I now know she has been under a lot of false teaching. I do know her heart and know she does want to please God. But, what little I tried, I could not get to her about being a LAW keeper. Many times when we discussed things it would get quite heated. Although we never, ever fought about anything. It was only spiritual things where things got heated. I prayed and prayed for God to give me the words to use. Most of the time however I kept silent because I didn't want to stir up the hornets nest. My girlfriend had been doing this stuff for 10 years. She was very knowledgeable of the Bible. I didn't know how to counter this belief system.

I'm getting ready to send her a small package in the mail which will include some pertinent documents I've found on these sites. One of them will be Sheepwrecked's story. I don't want to overload her but at least give her some foundation on where what she has been hearing might not be totally correct.

Anyway that's my story. ;)

Felix]]> <![CDATA[Prayer/Advice/Insight]]> http://www.seekgod.ca/forum/showthread.php?tid=935 Mon, 27 Feb 2012 00:18:06 +0000 http://www.seekgod.ca/forum/showthread.php?tid=935
I really think I need some help,some prayer,someone else's insight right now.

Ever since God opened my eyes to the false doctrine I had been under,I have thought that I should start a website much like Vic's but my main focus would be about the charismatic beliefs and my experiences with that.

I immediately wanted to shout the truth from the roof tops,start a blog,something that might help other women who have been enslaved to this doctrine..but I felt compelled to wait,learn and grow more.

I have been praying for some months now about being able to have the finances and fortitude to go forward with such an endeavor even stating in my prayers,"God, if you want me to do this then you will some how give me the money for it"

Lo and behold I will be getting $800 back on my taxes.Of course I have prayed and prayed about what to do with this money.
In the past I have just blown it,Red Lobster,shopping, etc, but now I must be a better steward and not live selfishly on the money God gives me.

I know to some it would seem like a no brainer,you will have the money just do it, but I want God's will,not my own.

Since I did my taxes 2 weeks ago I had it set in my mind to use it for a web ministry but my peace in so doing has been fleeting.

I have heard people say before that they knew something was God's will because they had peace about whatever it was and therein lies part of my problem.

It seems the closer I get to getting that money the more in spiritual upheaval I feel.I am at the point of feeling attacked, even now just trying to write and ask for prayer and insight about this I feel like I'm breaking out in hives..itching all over and a nervous wreck.


I have moments of peace about this but they do not last long.I feel as though there is some kind of spiritual Armageddon going on inside me(overly dramatic)

I have this whole, God will give you peace about it if you are supposed to do it thing stuck in my head but is that necessarily true?

I am having trouble discerning the meaning of why I feel in such turmoil and I have asked God to show me,help me and give me understanding as to what and why this is happening.

I don't know if all this spiritual unrest is God,me,or the devil.

Is it me doing it to myself because maybe I'm afraid of failing?
Or is it because I am being attacked ie, The devil trying to keep me from doing it.
Or is it God telling me not to do it?

Is it a combination of things? Am I just going schizophrenic?

I have been trying not to even think about it because it starts to cause me such distress but the time is closing in on making a firm decision and moving forward either way.

Your prayers and insight would be very much appreciated on this.]]>
I really think I need some help,some prayer,someone else's insight right now.

Ever since God opened my eyes to the false doctrine I had been under,I have thought that I should start a website much like Vic's but my main focus would be about the charismatic beliefs and my experiences with that.

I immediately wanted to shout the truth from the roof tops,start a blog,something that might help other women who have been enslaved to this doctrine..but I felt compelled to wait,learn and grow more.

I have been praying for some months now about being able to have the finances and fortitude to go forward with such an endeavor even stating in my prayers,"God, if you want me to do this then you will some how give me the money for it"

Lo and behold I will be getting $800 back on my taxes.Of course I have prayed and prayed about what to do with this money.
In the past I have just blown it,Red Lobster,shopping, etc, but now I must be a better steward and not live selfishly on the money God gives me.

I know to some it would seem like a no brainer,you will have the money just do it, but I want God's will,not my own.

Since I did my taxes 2 weeks ago I had it set in my mind to use it for a web ministry but my peace in so doing has been fleeting.

I have heard people say before that they knew something was God's will because they had peace about whatever it was and therein lies part of my problem.

It seems the closer I get to getting that money the more in spiritual upheaval I feel.I am at the point of feeling attacked, even now just trying to write and ask for prayer and insight about this I feel like I'm breaking out in hives..itching all over and a nervous wreck.


I have moments of peace about this but they do not last long.I feel as though there is some kind of spiritual Armageddon going on inside me(overly dramatic)

I have this whole, God will give you peace about it if you are supposed to do it thing stuck in my head but is that necessarily true?

I am having trouble discerning the meaning of why I feel in such turmoil and I have asked God to show me,help me and give me understanding as to what and why this is happening.

I don't know if all this spiritual unrest is God,me,or the devil.

Is it me doing it to myself because maybe I'm afraid of failing?
Or is it because I am being attacked ie, The devil trying to keep me from doing it.
Or is it God telling me not to do it?

Is it a combination of things? Am I just going schizophrenic?

I have been trying not to even think about it because it starts to cause me such distress but the time is closing in on making a firm decision and moving forward either way.

Your prayers and insight would be very much appreciated on this.]]> <![CDATA[lost sheep aka Neal Ocampo/Daniel ben Ya'acov Ysrael ]]> http://www.seekgod.ca/forum/showthread.php?tid=934 Fri, 17 Feb 2012 22:18:29 +0000 http://www.seekgod.ca/forum/showthread.php?tid=934
We have someone that has signed on to the forum to spam their site via private message.

That person is lost sheep.

Vic thought I should make a thread to warn others that may have been spammed by lost sheep.


First off, Daniel ben Ya'acov Ysrael or Neal Ocampo, aka lost sheep,you have exposed and proven the fruit of your corruption by your highly unethical practice of trolling and spamming another site to try to gain people to your own.

The private message I received from lost sheep,

lost sheep Wrote:Shalom. You are invited to join us in Our Father Abraham Forums. We have some fantastic discussions and have loads of fun to. We'd love to have you with us, if you're interested. Here's the link to the website, Looking forward to sharing with you. Many blessings to you.

And also we are looking someone who can help us to moderate the site. so please PM me if you mind joining our Staff..

ourfatherabraham.forumtl.com/



I have visited your site via the link that you spammed me privately.I will not be joining your site or your staff.

The,Our Father Abraham site is an Hebraic Roots site,one of their forum topics,

"Hebraic Foundations of the Faith

Find and Share information about the Hebraic roots of your faith."



Daniel ben Ya'acov Ysrael or Neal Ocampo,aka lost sheep,you obviously did not read anything on this website otherwise you would have noticed that I do not agree with your,"Hebraic roots faith".


Romans 16:17 Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them.
18 For they that are such serve not our Lord Jesus Christ, but their own belly; and by good words and fair speeches deceive the hearts of the simple.


Thank you for stopping by and revealing your true colors.You are duly marked.I pray that anyone that might be deceived by your heresies find their way here first,so they can see the fruit of your corruption.


2Peter 2:1 But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.


I am sure there will be more to come on this topic.]]>
We have someone that has signed on to the forum to spam their site via private message.

That person is lost sheep.

Vic thought I should make a thread to warn others that may have been spammed by lost sheep.


First off, Daniel ben Ya'acov Ysrael or Neal Ocampo, aka lost sheep,you have exposed and proven the fruit of your corruption by your highly unethical practice of trolling and spamming another site to try to gain people to your own.

The private message I received from lost sheep,

lost sheep Wrote:Shalom. You are invited to join us in Our Father Abraham Forums. We have some fantastic discussions and have loads of fun to. We'd love to have you with us, if you're interested. Here's the link to the website, Looking forward to sharing with you. Many blessings to you.

And also we are looking someone who can help us to moderate the site. so please PM me if you mind joining our Staff..

ourfatherabraham.forumtl.com/



I have visited your site via the link that you spammed me privately.I will not be joining your site or your staff.

The,Our Father Abraham site is an Hebraic Roots site,one of their forum topics,

"Hebraic Foundations of the Faith

Find and Share information about the Hebraic roots of your faith."



Daniel ben Ya'acov Ysrael or Neal Ocampo,aka lost sheep,you obviously did not read anything on this website otherwise you would have noticed that I do not agree with your,"Hebraic roots faith".


Romans 16:17 Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them.
18 For they that are such serve not our Lord Jesus Christ, but their own belly; and by good words and fair speeches deceive the hearts of the simple.


Thank you for stopping by and revealing your true colors.You are duly marked.I pray that anyone that might be deceived by your heresies find their way here first,so they can see the fruit of your corruption.


2Peter 2:1 But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.


I am sure there will be more to come on this topic.]]> <![CDATA[Christian = Terrorist? ]]> http://www.seekgod.ca/forum/showthread.php?tid=933 Wed, 15 Feb 2012 07:29:47 +0000 http://www.seekgod.ca/forum/showthread.php?tid=933
National Consortium for the Study of Terrorism and Responses to Terrorism
A Department of Homeland Security Science and Technology Center of Excellence

Website here>> start.umd.edu/start/

For those that may be interested in American government activities,I look over this site as well as some others,sort of as me watching out for what "Big Brother" may be up to.
I personally think it is important to be informed about what may be transpiring in the world around us.

I don't think we should be afraid of any of it.We should be about our Fathers business,fully trusting in Him.


START is funded by our government to do their research.They are the "leading resource for homeland security policymakers and practitioners",as stated in their mission statement.

I find the site to be very informative and very eye opening.I don't get involved with any kind of politics but I do keep an eye on what they are doing,somewhat.


On January 31, 2012,they published their study,"Hot Spots of Terrorism and Other Crimes in the United States,
1970 to 2008"

Here if you would like to read it, start.umd.edu/start/publications/research_briefs/LaFree_Bersani_HotSpotsOfUSTerrorism.pdf

On page 12 you will find that if a person is "anti-abortion, anti-Catholic, anti-nuclear, anti-Castro",you are considered to have terrorist mentalities.

Quote:Single Issue: groups or individuals that obsessively focus on very specific or narrowly-defined causes (e.g., anti-abortion, anti-Catholic, anti-nuclear, anti-Castro). This category includes groups from all sides of the political spectrum (2010: 28)."

I am anti-abortion.I would say most Christians are anti-abortion.We can now be labeled a terrorist for being anti-abortion.

I am anti-Catholic to.It is not scripturally sound doctrine.So that would then label anyone that disagreed with Catholic doctrine as a terrorist.



I found this next study to be odd and interesting.Why would our government fund an "Interfaith Program" and "academic courses on religious pluralism"?

Interfaith Programs on College Campuses: Lessons Learned >>> Here.. start.umd.edu/start/publications/research_briefs/20110425_wilkenfeld_interfaithprogramsoncampuses.pdf
Quote:(March 1, 2011)

From 2005-2009, five U.S. universities partnered together to develop and implement programs
and projects on their campuses designed to improve relationships among students from different faith traditions.
With support from the U.S. Department of Homeland Security’s Office of University Programs, efforts involved in this program ranged from community service projects to academic courses on religious pluralism to retreats to seminar series to art projects.

In one study they label anti-Catholic people as terrorists and they implement programs on religious pluralism.
So I can see the stage being set here that if you lack religious tolerance or disagree with religious pluralism,you could be accused of being a terrorist.

I'm not saying that will happen but the door is wide open for it.In the future we may not be called Christians.We may be called terrorists.

We could all be accused of being a terrorist for adhering to biblical truth and earnestly contending for our faith.


Romans 8:35 Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword?
36 As it is written, For thy sake we are killed all the day long; we are accounted as sheep for the slaughter.
37 Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us.
38 For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come,
39 Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.


Psalms 125:1 They that trust in the LORD shall be as mount Zion, which cannot be removed, but abideth for ever.
2 As the mountains are round about Jerusalem, so the LORD is round about his people from henceforth even for ever.]]>
National Consortium for the Study of Terrorism and Responses to Terrorism
A Department of Homeland Security Science and Technology Center of Excellence

Website here>> start.umd.edu/start/

For those that may be interested in American government activities,I look over this site as well as some others,sort of as me watching out for what "Big Brother" may be up to.
I personally think it is important to be informed about what may be transpiring in the world around us.

I don't think we should be afraid of any of it.We should be about our Fathers business,fully trusting in Him.


START is funded by our government to do their research.They are the "leading resource for homeland security policymakers and practitioners",as stated in their mission statement.

I find the site to be very informative and very eye opening.I don't get involved with any kind of politics but I do keep an eye on what they are doing,somewhat.


On January 31, 2012,they published their study,"Hot Spots of Terrorism and Other Crimes in the United States,
1970 to 2008"

Here if you would like to read it, start.umd.edu/start/publications/research_briefs/LaFree_Bersani_HotSpotsOfUSTerrorism.pdf

On page 12 you will find that if a person is "anti-abortion, anti-Catholic, anti-nuclear, anti-Castro",you are considered to have terrorist mentalities.

Quote:Single Issue: groups or individuals that obsessively focus on very specific or narrowly-defined causes (e.g., anti-abortion, anti-Catholic, anti-nuclear, anti-Castro). This category includes groups from all sides of the political spectrum (2010: 28)."

I am anti-abortion.I would say most Christians are anti-abortion.We can now be labeled a terrorist for being anti-abortion.

I am anti-Catholic to.It is not scripturally sound doctrine.So that would then label anyone that disagreed with Catholic doctrine as a terrorist.



I found this next study to be odd and interesting.Why would our government fund an "Interfaith Program" and "academic courses on religious pluralism"?

Interfaith Programs on College Campuses: Lessons Learned >>> Here.. start.umd.edu/start/publications/research_briefs/20110425_wilkenfeld_interfaithprogramsoncampuses.pdf
Quote:(March 1, 2011)

From 2005-2009, five U.S. universities partnered together to develop and implement programs
and projects on their campuses designed to improve relationships among students from different faith traditions.
With support from the U.S. Department of Homeland Security’s Office of University Programs, efforts involved in this program ranged from community service projects to academic courses on religious pluralism to retreats to seminar series to art projects.

In one study they label anti-Catholic people as terrorists and they implement programs on religious pluralism.
So I can see the stage being set here that if you lack religious tolerance or disagree with religious pluralism,you could be accused of being a terrorist.

I'm not saying that will happen but the door is wide open for it.In the future we may not be called Christians.We may be called terrorists.

We could all be accused of being a terrorist for adhering to biblical truth and earnestly contending for our faith.


Romans 8:35 Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword?
36 As it is written, For thy sake we are killed all the day long; we are accounted as sheep for the slaughter.
37 Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us.
38 For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come,
39 Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.


Psalms 125:1 They that trust in the LORD shall be as mount Zion, which cannot be removed, but abideth for ever.
2 As the mountains are round about Jerusalem, so the LORD is round about his people from henceforth even for ever.]]> <![CDATA[Dealing with loss and grief and living with peace and joy]]> http://www.seekgod.ca/forum/showthread.php?tid=932 Mon, 13 Feb 2012 01:41:46 +0000 http://www.seekgod.ca/forum/showthread.php?tid=932
Wanted to respond to a portion of your post whereby you mentioned the loss of your baby. I am sorry for your loss I know how difficult and painful it is when a parent loses a child. I too lost my youngest daughter whom at 24 passed away Jan. 2005 from a rare form of ovarian cancer; therefore share in your sorrows.

The death of one's child is so unnatural, the natural progression of life dictates our parents die before us and we die before our children. When the opposite happens, life hands us a curve and curves can cause real stings.

When this happens, as parents we are left holding a bag of curves with unanswered questions such as, what if only, how come this happened to our child, what would he/she have become, why me God and moreover, how can a Loving God throw us such a curve?

I don't know about you Vic, but I struggled with God and all my whys. I even tried different ways of bargaining, if I did this than of course He would do that. I spent many hours in prayers reminding Him that she was mine and I wasn't ready to give her back.

All my struggles of course were to no avail, don't get my wrong my love for Jesus never wavered, but I couldn't just accept my fate of losing someone as precious as my baby girl. After weeks and months of struggling with God, one day something happened to me that caused me to stop struggling and accept God's fate.

I remember that incident as if it were yesterday. While driving home from somewhere, I was praying and of course once again bargaining with God when all of the sudden I felt within my heart a sense of peace and a small voice spoke to my heart telling me that my daughter was always His and that He had just loaned her to me and it was time for her to come back home to Him. And more importantly why not me.

I can't explain why this ministered to me but it did. From that point on I was able to let go and trust even more in the goodness of God. Mind you I was still really sad, I still cried and mourned but at the same time I trusted God I was not bitter because I was going to suffer a great loss.

Nevertheless, my daughter did pass away peacefully and you know that old saying 'time has a way of healing our sorrows'. Time has gone on and the sting of pain has lessened, but I am now at a more peaceful place[/size][/font].

Why peace one might ask, because I know without a shadow of doubt that one day I will see my beautiful daughter again. And how many people can say that? Plus I rejoice in this fact that although I was thrown a curve, my trust and love In Christ has not grown bitter, but just the opposite deeper and more meaningful. And there can be a happy ending to the story, I can say just as Paul said in Romans 'Oh the love and depth of God'...,

Your sister in Christ,
JadeII]]>
Wanted to respond to a portion of your post whereby you mentioned the loss of your baby. I am sorry for your loss I know how difficult and painful it is when a parent loses a child. I too lost my youngest daughter whom at 24 passed away Jan. 2005 from a rare form of ovarian cancer; therefore share in your sorrows.

The death of one's child is so unnatural, the natural progression of life dictates our parents die before us and we die before our children. When the opposite happens, life hands us a curve and curves can cause real stings.

When this happens, as parents we are left holding a bag of curves with unanswered questions such as, what if only, how come this happened to our child, what would he/she have become, why me God and moreover, how can a Loving God throw us such a curve?

I don't know about you Vic, but I struggled with God and all my whys. I even tried different ways of bargaining, if I did this than of course He would do that. I spent many hours in prayers reminding Him that she was mine and I wasn't ready to give her back.

All my struggles of course were to no avail, don't get my wrong my love for Jesus never wavered, but I couldn't just accept my fate of losing someone as precious as my baby girl. After weeks and months of struggling with God, one day something happened to me that caused me to stop struggling and accept God's fate.

I remember that incident as if it were yesterday. While driving home from somewhere, I was praying and of course once again bargaining with God when all of the sudden I felt within my heart a sense of peace and a small voice spoke to my heart telling me that my daughter was always His and that He had just loaned her to me and it was time for her to come back home to Him. And more importantly why not me.

I can't explain why this ministered to me but it did. From that point on I was able to let go and trust even more in the goodness of God. Mind you I was still really sad, I still cried and mourned but at the same time I trusted God I was not bitter because I was going to suffer a great loss.

Nevertheless, my daughter did pass away peacefully and you know that old saying 'time has a way of healing our sorrows'. Time has gone on and the sting of pain has lessened, but I am now at a more peaceful place[/size][/font].

Why peace one might ask, because I know without a shadow of doubt that one day I will see my beautiful daughter again. And how many people can say that? Plus I rejoice in this fact that although I was thrown a curve, my trust and love In Christ has not grown bitter, but just the opposite deeper and more meaningful. And there can be a happy ending to the story, I can say just as Paul said in Romans 'Oh the love and depth of God'...,

Your sister in Christ,
JadeII]]> <![CDATA[Introduction]]> http://www.seekgod.ca/forum/showthread.php?tid=931 Tue, 07 Feb 2012 03:43:58 +0000 http://www.seekgod.ca/forum/showthread.php?tid=931

Blessings everyone, I'm JadeII, originally Jade, but I stopped posting sometime ago because our family moved and I was extremely busy preparing for that occasion. In addition to moving, at that time I become somewhat tired and bored with the internet so I took a break for close to a year. Last year I began returning to Seek God forum to read the various threads, which were good reads. Also, this caused me to become enthusiastic about rejoining everyone and taking part in the fun of sharing Jesus Christ. For me there is no better fun than sharing our Lord, whats more I think this site is one of the best on line.

So howdy everyone, look forward to posting with you'all.

Lords Blessing,
JadeII
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Blessings everyone, I'm JadeII, originally Jade, but I stopped posting sometime ago because our family moved and I was extremely busy preparing for that occasion. In addition to moving, at that time I become somewhat tired and bored with the internet so I took a break for close to a year. Last year I began returning to Seek God forum to read the various threads, which were good reads. Also, this caused me to become enthusiastic about rejoining everyone and taking part in the fun of sharing Jesus Christ. For me there is no better fun than sharing our Lord, whats more I think this site is one of the best on line.

So howdy everyone, look forward to posting with you'all.

Lords Blessing,
JadeII
]]> <![CDATA[1 Peter 5 vs 7]]> http://www.seekgod.ca/forum/showthread.php?tid=929 Tue, 31 Jan 2012 07:35:53 +0000 http://www.seekgod.ca/forum/showthread.php?tid=929
A song of encouragement based on this verse:



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E9yNZ17j8Fg]]>
A song of encouragement based on this verse:



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E9yNZ17j8Fg]]> <![CDATA[Jealousy]]> http://www.seekgod.ca/forum/showthread.php?tid=928 Sat, 28 Jan 2012 17:56:08 +0000 http://www.seekgod.ca/forum/showthread.php?tid=928
Exd 20:5 Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God [am] a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth [generation] of them that hate me;

Exd 34:14 For thou shalt worship no other god: for the LORD, whose name [is] Jealous, [is] a jealous God:

Are people who are jealous (covetous) of other people "playing God", since one of His names is Jealous? If jealousy is God's alone (like vengeance) it stands to reason that it is forbidden to humans. 2c]]>
Exd 20:5 Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God [am] a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth [generation] of them that hate me;

Exd 34:14 For thou shalt worship no other god: for the LORD, whose name [is] Jealous, [is] a jealous God:

Are people who are jealous (covetous) of other people "playing God", since one of His names is Jealous? If jealousy is God's alone (like vengeance) it stands to reason that it is forbidden to humans. 2c]]> <![CDATA[2012 "prophecies"]]> http://www.seekgod.ca/forum/showthread.php?tid=927 Thu, 26 Jan 2012 23:29:34 +0000 http://www.seekgod.ca/forum/showthread.php?tid=927 et al and all of them turning out to be wrong, people ought to have figured it out.]]> et al and all of them turning out to be wrong, people ought to have figured it out.]]>