Hunt & Others
promotes Media Spotlight and The Berean Call. Many
consider Media Spotlight and The Berean Call leadership to be
experts on the occult and New Age. There's no doubt they have
exposed much error. Albert Dager's Media Spotlight [February
2000] BOOKS [catalogue] includes this ad for Jacob Prasch:
Final Words of Jesus and Satan's Lies Today"
James Jacob Prasch 246 pages A discussion of present-day
apostasy by a founder of ex-Catholics for Christ. Prasch
addresses the various false teachings that have infiltrated
the churches and compares them to Jesus' final prophetic
words to His Church. Paperback $11.00"
Catholics For Christ (formerly ExCatholics For Christ)
lists some of it's Authors as, Mike Gendron: "A devout
Roman Catholic for more than 30 years, and 1991 graduate of
Dallas Theological Seminary, Mike is the founder and director
of Proclaiming the Gospel Ministry and a cofounder of
ExCatholics For Christ..."
Hunt: Since 1973, Dave has been investing himself in
researching and the writing many books and articles dealing
with the incursion into Western culture and religion, and
finally the church itself, of Eastern as well as
psychological and selfist philosophies, New Age thinking,
ecumenism between Catholics and Protestants, and other
heretical teachings. In addition to his books, his articles
and responses to readers appear regularly in The Berean
Call, monthly newsletter of The Berean Call
McCarthy: "Jim, a former Catholic, is one of the
cofounders of ExCatholics For Christ..."
McMahon: "...Tom is president and executive director of
The Berean Call ministry, contributing editor/writer for The
Berean Call newsletter, and co-author of The Seduction of
Christianity, The New Spirituality, and Understand the
Times. ...Tom is also cofounder and executive committee
member of ExCatholics For Christ." http://www.reachingcatholics.org/mainpage.html
Not able to
find information on the founding of ExCatholics for Christ,
this author telephoned The Berean Call. Tom McMahon stated
that the ECFC purpose is to pull smaller groups together
with a common goal of sharing information at Conferences. The
original idea came from Jacob Prasch, who visited TBC and
"wanted to start a ministry along the line of Jews for
Jesus." It was "Jacob's vision and idea" that
"we took and developed into ExCatholics for Christ."
Although Jacob was on a panel at the first Conference in 1997
held at Jim McCarthy's church, he was never recognized
officially as a founder. According to Tom, the founders were
Mike Gendron, Jim McCarthy, Greg Druel and himself with no
official board, just a loosely organized steering committee.
Although he doesn't know Jacob well, McMahon described him as
"a dynamic whirlwind." 55.
telephone discussion with Mr. McMahon, when asked their view
on charismatics, he said, "first, TBC are not
cessationist." TBC recognizes there are theological
differences, and don't agree with some things. However, they
have some Charismatic ministries involved in ECFC. They
feel as long as they don't bring in issues that are counter
productive to ECFC and focus on saving the Catholics, with the
main doctrines of the faith, it works.
This begs the
question: What Scriptures and doctrine can we ignore and still
remain in obedience to the Word of God?
Discernment Ministries recent article on Dave Hunt states:
It seems to be a little known fact that Dave Hunt is not a
cessationist (one who believes not only that the canon of
Scripture is closed, but also that new revelation from God
is no longer being given). Hunt's roots are in
Pentecostalism, from which he has never totally broken. (He
was once excommunicated from the Plymouth Brethren for being
too Pentecostal). His closest ties are with Chuck Smith and
the Calvary Chapels, a moderately charismatic denomination.
He thinks tongues and all gifts of the Spirit are for today,
but warns that tongues are dangerously easy to fake and be
deceived by (10/87, Eternity). In his testimony, he
describes his experience of being baptized in the Holy
Spirit and speaking in tongues (7/14/86, Christian News).
The 10/87 Heritage Herald had Hunt on the PTL Club guest
list. Hunt not only believes in tongues, he apparently
retains the Pentecostal/charismatic view of revelation. Hunt
is supportive of Henry Blackaby (Experiencing God
co-author), probably because his view of revelation is much
the same. Hunt is a moderate charismatic, Blackaby a
mystical Baptist (some call it Bapticostal)....The point is
that both Hunt and Blackaby hold an open view of revelation
-- God is still speaking today -- not contrary to, but
definitely apart from, the Scriptures. Such a position will
lead to errors of doctrine and practice, but most
importantly, it is unbiblical." 56
As shown in EJECCT,
the signers of the EC Document, like
John Ankerberg, are also
allied with various ministries and including people like
Hunt's favorable inclination towards "The Gospel of
Jesus Christ: An Evangelical Celebration" (EC): The
editor of the Voice in the Wilderness wrote a letter to TBC
regarding their favorable inclinations towards the text of
the "Gospel of Jesus Christ: An Evangelical
Celebration" document. In the 7/99 The Berean Call
newsletter, TBC expresses being "... thrilled at
reading [EC's] affirmations of the true gospel ..."
Dave Hunt, nor anyone else at TBC, has ever responded to
that letter of concern. TBC's only concern over that
document seemed to be the "bed-fellows" of those
who had signed it. Otherwise, Hunt apparently agreed with
those who endorsed the contents of the EC document."
who believe in works to be saved or to maintain salvation
are as lost as the Roman Catholic people the ECFA is seeking
to bring to Christ. A denomination that believes that
speaking in tongues is a necessary part of or the evidence
of salvation has fallen into the same trap as Romanism.
(Source: 2/1/99, Calvary Contender.)" 57
Association of Fundamentalists Evangelizing Catholics has
issued a statement separating from the ECFC group,
"...It is unfortunate yet necessary that the AFEC
separate from the organization "Ex Catholics For
Christ" (ECFC) because of this doctrine of Separation.
The founding body of ECFC (while having the same ultimate goal
as AFEC, desiring to reach precious Roman Catholic people with
the Gospel of Christ) has chosen, by their own admission, a
more Neo-Evangelical approach." http://www.angelfire.com/ky/dodone/Reso/html
Discernment Ministries adds: "Dr. Bill Jackson, president
of ... (AFEC), prepared a 6/18/99 statement on the EC document
(see the 6/14/99, Christianity Today for the full text of the
EC). This document has been endorsed by Charles Colson, Bill
[CNP], and J.I. Packer, all of whom also signed the
controversial ECT documents of 1994 and 1997; as well as
endorsed by R.C. Sproul, John MacArthur, and D.
James Kennedy [CNP], all of whom publicly [albeit weakly]
challenged and criticized them for signing the ECT
documents." 58 For
Chuck Colson See: Evangelicals
and Catholics Together
Neo-Evangelical approach seems to be also validated in a
letter to one website dated Oct. 27, 1997. Eric and
Diane Groetz write:
Hunt and others asked FCFC to join their new organization
called "Ex Catholics For Christ" ... In their
statements...they said if we join, we would be forbidden to
rebuke others in this organization in matters of:
charismatic movement or
the KJV Bible issue." 59.
Van der Merwe, an ordained Pastor of the Assemblies of God,
states she works closely with Dave Hunt and also, Al Dager.
Jacob Prasch endorses each of these ministries as, “valid
discernment ministries to alert the church and give
understanding to the many” and “we stand by them all as
comrades in Christ’s cause.”
conflict to Scripture of a woman pastor, and the above
statements begs the questions. Was the Bible for private
interpretation? Is a disobedient teaching and interpretation
acceptable based on who interprets or presents it?
Question & Answer section of the September 1996
issue of THE BEREAN CALL, we read of the full support of
the same Bible Codes that Chuck Missler
and Grant Jeffrey and
many others promote.
upon that limited knowledge and experience, I see no
alternative but to believe God encoded the Torah with these
and many other sequences involving modern persons..."
February 1998 issue of the The Berean Call, "Back
to the Bible 'Code," by Dave Hunt and T.A. McMahon
rescind that support and state, "...the primary claim is
that God not only communicated through the normal text ...he
encoded words, hidden for more than three millenia which could
only be deciphered through ...computers. We stated in the past
TBC newsletters (10/96; 2/97) that if the claim held up under
valid scrutiny, we could see "no alternative but to
believe God encoded the Torah...." "Selected words
are searched ...the method uses a skip code...ELS....Our
earlier willingness to go along with the "code" was
based upon the assumption that it was founded upon irrefutable
mathematics. That now seems clearly not to be the case, There
are enough qualified experts who claim to be able to refute
the "code" to cause us to back away from giving it
discussing the idea that the whole thing was to prove God's
Word to be true through scientific means, they then go into
the Scriptures. That should have been the guide in the first
place as to whether the Codes were a valid belief.
Timothy 3:16-17 "All scripture is given by
inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for
reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished
unto all good works."
We need no
proof about the Word of God from science--you believe by faith
or you do not. ELS is merely a version of the many
methods and computations of, "Gematria (Heb.). A
division of the practical Kabbalah. It shows the numerical
value of Hebrew words by summing up the values of the letters
composing them; and further, it shows by this means, analogies
between words and phrases. [w.w.w.] One of the methods
(arithmetical) for extracting the hidden meaning from letters,
words and sentences..." 60
our writings in Literal
Kabbalah: Gematria and Numerology, the web site of
Theomatics provides these insights into Bible codes and it's
various names. Theomatics suggests that ELS is not
there are two types of Bible codes. One is the ELS evidence
(Equi-distant Letter Sequences), also known as "Torah
kind of code is "theomatics." The foundational
basis for theomatics has been known for thousands of years,
ever since the time before Christ. It is commonly referred
to by the term gematria. It was in 1975 that this original
code in the Bible ~ known for thousands of years but never
deciphered ~ began to reveal itself ..." 61
48:16 "Come ye near unto me, hear ye this; I have
not spoken in secret from the beginning..."
and The Berean Call May 1993 issue are in agreement with other
leaders who teach Jesus died spiritually. Mr. Hunt
attends Bend Bible Fellowship, which is a Plymouth Brethren
Church. Tom McMahon attends Eastmont Church in Bend which is
In the March/April 1993 issue, of Perhaps Today, Jack Van
Impe writes that Jesus died spiritually..."the Lord
Jesus Christ took both the first and second death-the grave
and the Lake of Fire upon Himself when He died." Pastor
David Hocking also taught that Jesus died spiritually.
Recently, on the radio, Chuck Smith stated that
Jesus' Spirit died. Did Jesus die spiritually? Was the
Trinity separated? If the Spirit of God died, who was in
charge of the universe while God was dead...?"
Van Impe, Hocking, and Smith are Biblically correct in this
regard. Confusion arises because "Jesus Died
Spiritually (JDS)" is the label attached to the heresy
taught by Hagin, Copeland and other "word-faith
"JDS" is heresy when one person teaches it, it's
heresy when another teaches it. Our Eternal, Omnipotent,
Omnipresent, Infinite, Unchangeable, Living God, who is
Spirit, died Spiritually? Jesus Christ is God manifested
in the flesh and has the same attributes as the Father,
"For in Him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead
16:15 "All things that the Father hath are mine:
therefore said I, that he shall take of mine, and shall shew
it unto you."
John 1:1-2 "That which was from the beginning, which we
have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have
looked upon, and our hands have handled, of the Word of life;
(For the life was manifested, and we have seen it, and bear
witness, and shew you that eternal life, which was with the
Father, and was manifested unto us:)
9:14 "How much more shall the blood of Christ, who
through the eternal Spirit offered himself
without spot to God, to purge your conscience from dead works
to serve the living God?
14:16, 18 "And I will pray the Father, and he shall
give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you
forever; v.18. "I will not leave you comfortless: I
will come to you."
must wonder if they have all forgotten what Jesus himself,
whose 'body' and "blood" was sacrificed, said
to the thief on the cross in Luke 23:43 "And Jesus said
unto him, Verily I say unto thee, To day shalt thou
be with me in paradise."
10:10 "By the which will we are sanctified through the
offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for
1:20-21 " And, having made peace through the blood of
his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by
him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in
heaven. And you, that were sometime alienated and enemies in
your mind by wicked works, yet now hath he reconciled.
In the body of his flesh through death, to present you
holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight:
Peter 2:24 "Who his own self bare our sins in his
own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should
live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were
16:10 David speaking: "For thou wilt not
leave my soul in hell; neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy
One to see corruption."
1:1-2 "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was
with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning
John 5:7 "For there are three that bear record in heaven,
the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are
Hunt and Tom McMahon have also been taken to task on the issue
of presenting information which excluded the need for
Repentance as part of the Gospel. Biblical repentance means
"to turn away." Repentance also means sorrow or
regret for wrongdoing. To repent is to feel sorrow or remorse
for one's sins and to seek forgiveness. The following is
from the TBC January, 2000 TBC newsletter Q/A's.
I enjoyed your little book, The Nonnegotiable Gospel-so I
bought several of them to hand out....But when I went
through your little book again, guess what? I could not find
the word "repentance" mentioned anywhere! Also at
one place you said there is nothing for us to do. Dear
brother, but there is, it is to repent....Couldn't
you...make one small change and say rather, "There is
nothing for us to do but to repent!"
Answer: Thank you for your letter. I appreciate the point
you are making that there is no call to repent in The
Nonnegotiable Gospel. Paul preached "repentance toward
God, and faith toward our Lord Jesus Christ" (Acts
20:21); Jesus said, "I am not come to call the
righteous, but sinners to repentance" (Mt 9:13); the
disciples, when first sent out by Jesus, "preached that
men should repent" (Mk 6:12); and the early church
rejoiced when they realized that God had to the Gentiles
"granted repentance unto life" (Acts 11:18).
And yet the words "repent,"
"repentance," or "repented" are not
found in the entire Gospel of John, the Gospel to which
evangelicals most often direct a person for salvation. Did
the Holy Spirit blunder in leaving repentance out? Nor is
there anything specific about repentance in the gospel as
Paul defines it in 1 Corinthians 15. In fact, repentance is
by no means a major theme of the New Testament. Why?
Could it be because repentance is implicit in believing the
gospel? To believe that Christ died for my sins, I must
believe that I am a sinner and that my sin makes me worthy
of God's judgment, which Christ took for me. Thus believing
the gospel includes a turning from sin toward God through
Christ. By receiving Him, I am in fact repenting through a
total change of mind toward God. And God, who knows the
heart, knows this without it being articulated in a certain
way by the sinner coming to Christ.
Since the Bible doesn't specify repentance as part of the
gospel whereby sinners are saved, I dare not do so either.
I'm not saying it might not be good to preach repentance in
The Nonnegotiable Gospel, but it would require considerable
explanation. Might not requiring repentance cause some
confusion? What exactly is meant by repentance? How thorough
must repentance be? Must the person repent of every sin ever
committed? Is he then under obligation to live a life above
sin? Might this put a burden upon the sinner which he cannot
bear, not yet realizing that Christ will give him the
strength to live a new life? I had not consciously left out
repentance, but I think it is best left that way.
suggest that because some Evangelicals choose to focus on one
book of the Bible versus all Scriptures pertaining to the
issue is not a valid argument. It is rather an admission that
there is a serious flaw in what some are teaching. Jesus
speaking in Matthew 4:17 "From that time Jesus began to
preach and to say, Repent: for the kingdom of heaven is at
speaking in Matthew 28:20 "Teaching them to observe ALL
things whatsoever I have commanded you..."
speaking in Luke 24:46-47 "And said unto them, Thus it is
written, and thus it behoved Christ to suffer, and to rise
from the dead the third day: And that repentance and remission
of sins should be preached in his name among all nations,
beginning in Jerusalem."
addressed the issue of those who keep ALL his words and
commandments: John 15:14 "Ye are my friends, if ye do
whatsoever I command you."
"If ye abide in me and my words abide in you, ye shall
ask what ye will, and it shall be done unto you."
"If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love;
even as I have kept my Father's commandments."
Hunt's association and support of Calvary Chapels has a long
history. The BDM article on Hunt states: "In seeing
Hunt's printed speaking itinerary each month in the TBC
newsletters, noting the "labels" of some of the
places where he speaks, one wonders "how" he gains
entrance into places which seem to be some of the very ones he
"targets" in his writings, as being part of the
apostasy and false teachings in the church. The churches of
the Calvary Chapel movement fall into this same category. Even
though Dave Hunt has been a frequent speaker for churches in
the Calvary Chapel movement (almost from the inception of his
public ministry), to glance at his speaking itineraries in the
12/99 and 1/00 TBC newsletters, one would think that Hunt has
now become an official Calvary Chapel circuit rider. "
Smith is Pastor and founder of Calvary Chapel Costa Mesa;
David Hocking is one of his CC Pastors and Jack Van Impe--he
embraces Rome amongst other things. From the AFEC web
site, in the article, "Jack Van Impe's Compromise"
we read his own words:
have taught for years about Russia's involvement in
end-time prophecy. Now this has been verified by the third
secret of the Lady of Fatima."
"John Paul II - that great man of God."
"Someone had the nerve to insult that godly lady,
Mother Teresa." 63
Tillin of Banner Ministries promotes the ministries
almost identical to Jacob Prasch, such as Berean Call, Grant
Missler [CNP], Lambert Dolphin, Calvary Chapels and so on.
like Jacob Prasch, Tricia Tillin and many others have publicly
declared themselves as sent by God to warn people and to be
followed, we must ask:
Discernment is it that has Jacob Prasch and others calling
some brother or sister in the Lord, who walk beside people
they have also proclaimed as heretics, false prophets or false
teachers? In many cases they promote these same people on
their websites or in their materials?
What is it
that allows a person to issue statements that they do not
support for example, The Jerusalem School of Synoptic
Research, by saying, "The Jerusalem School of Synoptic
Research is founded on the erroneous belief that the gospels
cannot be fully understood except in an Hebraic context."
while upholding and working with those that do?
Jacob Prasch in the same breath teach that same heresy. ""It
takes the wisdom of the ancients to really understand these
things…not the wisdom of the 16th century, but the wisdom of
the first century."
There is a
pattern of inconsistencies and contradictions. How can people
having Discernment walk alongside people clearly involved in
false teaching or the Ecumenical Movement?
can declared 'experts' on the occult not recognize the occult?
5:13-14 " For every one that useth milk is unskilful in
the word of righteousness is a babe. But strong meat belongeth
to them that are of full age, even those who by reason of
use have their senses exercised to discern both good and
said in Matthew 12:33,
make the tree good, and his fruit good; or else make the
tree corrupt, and his fruit corrupt: for the tree is known
by his fruit.”
We know that
Jacob Prasch, Tricia Tillin, Lambert Dolphin and many others
also promote Calvary Chapels. In Jacob Prasch's Newsletter #14,
he says that conservative Pentecostal churches like Calvary
Chapel churches will replace other Pentecostal churches.
Calvary Chapels, Light & Life Mission and other more
conservative Pentecostals Movements are being raised up by
the Lord to replace the declining Pentecostal churches of
Prasch is echoing Rick Joyner in his article, Azusa Steet, The Fire That Could Not Die, published by Morning
Star Publications in 1996.
as fractured and divided as the Pentecostal Movement may
presently be, it has the destiny and calling to help bring
unity to the whole church. The fire still burns in the
Pentecostal Movement. The fire will burn until all of the
wood, hay and stubble has been consumed, and the gold,
silver and precious stones have been purified. Each movement
may be fashioned into a different stone, but the day is
coming when we will all be fashioned together into one crown
of glory." http://www.christianword.org/revival/fire.html
understand the connections and true theology that binds so
many to walk together under the umbrella of being called
"Christian." The facts when weighed to Scriptural
truth will prove who or what each is.
4:12 "For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and
sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the
dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and
marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of
delves into the beginnings of any group or doctrine, it is
apparent that the task is not a simple one. The myriad of
people and outside influences is immense. However, we know
that there are certain foundations to the listed groups.
this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name
of his Son Jesus Christ and love one another, as he gave us
commandment. And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth
in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in
us, by the Spirit which he hath given us. 1 John 3:23-24
Prophecy Club & Elijah
conversation w/Tom McMahon, The Berean Call, Thursday, March
23, 11:20 A.M
To Embrace Hebrew Roots, Part VIII, Literal
Kabbalah: Gematria & Numerology
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