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MJAA Inroads of The Hebrew Roots Fringe
2 Timothy 4:2-5
Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine.
3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; 4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.
5 But watch thou in all things, endure afflictions, do the work of an evangelist, make full proof of thy ministry.
The MJAA states, "(MJAA) is the largest association of Messianic Jewish believers in Yeshua (Jesus) in the world." Dan Juster has just recently published a statement after meeting with Monte Judah and Eddie Chumney. Monte Judah, who in the past has promoted false prophecy, is also a promoter of Two House Theology, as is Chumney. Both have been speakers at Moshe Koniuchowsky's Your Arms to Israel (YATI) conferences, or the Wooten's Messianic Israel conferences. For example:
"The MIA Ami 2000 conference...Speakers will include Angus and Batya Wootten, Ralph Messer, Rene' Bloch, Moshe Konichowsky, David and Natalie Pavlik, Monte Judah, Randy and Lori Dryer, Mordechai Silver, David Barsky, Scott Diffenderfer, Hale Harris, Carl Parker, Phil Davis, Pam Staley, Eddie Chumney, and a host of others...."http://www.mim.net/Events/AMI_2000_Info.html.; http://members.aol.com/mikestyer/newsarc1.html.
Currently from Eddie Chumney's Hebroots Site, with hotlinks removed:
Joining the GLOBAL Hebraic Roots Network > Chumney
HEBRAIC / JEWISH ROOTS AND MESSIANIC MINISTRIES
Hebraic Heritage Ministries Int'l > Chumney
Rabbi Moshe Koniuchowsky: Your Arms to Israel
Union of Two House Messianic Congregations > Koniuchowsky
Monte Judah: Lion and Lamb Ministries
Messianic Israel (House of David) Ministries>Wooten's
SANJ: Society for the Advancement of Nazarene Judaism > James Trimm.
Rabbi Moshe Joseph Koniuchowsky: The Two Houses of Israel TeachingsRabbi Moshe Koniuchowsky: Your Arms to Israel website
Union of Two House Messianic Congregations
Article: The Full Restoration of Israel
Article: The Ongoing Reunion of All Israel
Article: The End Time Solution to Replacement Theology!
Article: What Judaism Really Says about Joseph's Seed
Article: The Mystery of the Olive Tree
Article: One Hundred and Eighty Degrees Apart: An Expose on British Israelism!
BOOK: The Truth About All Israel (Adobe Acrobat Reader Required)
CHAT ROOM: Two Houses of Israel"
Note: Since posting the various articles, the name of Union of Two House Messianic Congregations has been changed to : Union Of Nazarene Yisraelite Congregations, as of October 26, 2003
This writer was told specifically that Two House theology is "fringe" Messianic theology. The MJAA has posted a position paper against it. The statement's about the Two House movement's representatives meeting with Dan Juster are posted at Chumney's site:
Dan Juster's reply, dated July 18th, "DAN JUSTER REPLY TO EDDIE CHUMNEY AND MONTE JUDAH'S POSITION PAPER ON THE TWO HOUSES OF ISRAEL", is also posted at the link.
At the bottom of the page about the recent meeting and posted statements between Chumney, Monte Judah and Dan Juster, is the link to Chumneys' home page and also LION AND LAMB MINISTRIES / MONTE JUDAH >http://www.lionlamb.net/. From all appearances both Chumney and Judah share this link.
Eddie Chumney promotes the Jerusalem School of Synoptic Research, the Chabad Lubavitch and their kabbalistic teachings, which is mentioned in connection with David Hall and Michael Rood and Moshe Koniuchowsky. Chumney also promotes the writings of Menachem Schneerson, Yair Davidy's Brit Am, Lost Tribes, and so on. See: the Seek God articles Kabbalah Connections; Practical Kabbalah, for Chabad Lubavitch teachings, kabbalah and zohar. More on Chumney later.
And on the Lion and Lamb website we see the same promotion:
REGARDING THE MEETING BETWEEN
MONTE JUDAH AND EDDIE CHUMNEY WITH DAN JUSTER
HELD MARCH 27, 2003 IN JACKSONVILLE, FLORIDA
Click Here For Details >
www.lionlamb.net/Two House Paper/03-27-03 TwoHouseMeeting.html
It should be noted that Michael Rood of A Rood Awakening, had befriended the late Reggie White, and it was reported in the mainstream media that prior to his death, Reggie, who had decided to no longer call himself a Christian, had also been studying Hebrew and Torah with the Karaite, Nehemiah Gordon. Monte Judah, with his Torah teachings, claims to also have helped Reggie White change the direction and focus of his beliefs, from Christianity to the first five books of the Bible. Also noted in: Raiders of the Lost Book Equals Raiders of Nothing of Value Michael Rood of A Rood Awakening and Nehemia Gordon, US Speaking Tour January 2005 and Michael Rood, Sky Angel , Ron Wyatt & The National Religious Broadcasters
In 2002, promoting Monte Judah, proponent of Two House doctrine, and selling his tapes, it was noted that while Michael Rood was supporting Monte Judah, Monte Judah was supporting Michael Rood.
"NEW! Additional Teaching Materials we recommend, From Monte Judah... Monte is a very good Torah teacher and adds a "Jewish insight" into teaching we often miss with our "Western" background. We hope you enjoy these teachings! Monte also supports Michael's ministry! [2002> 6001.com/update1.htm]
On that promotion for Monte Judah and Michael Rood, two teachings were featured with the first one of Monte Judah's teachings, which included the occult teaching of kabbalah, and was shown as this:
"Introduction to Torah"
Teaches the four (4) levels of Torah Study.
P'saht - Plain sense
Drash - Study, Sermon
Remez - Hidden, Secret
Sod - Mysterious
4 tape Audio Set
This teaching provides a good beginning to a lifetime of study
for the 1st five books of the Bible. Suggested Donation $20
The acronym for the four levels of study Monte Judah was teaching, is called PaRDeS and is based in kabbalistic teaching.
Many are teaching that one must also utilize "PaRDes as a tool for Torah study," with the qualifier, "that this would be within normative rabbinic Judaism (and should be in ours), not necessarily just Kaballah, that is why the rule for being 40 years of age and extensively schooled in Torah was the original prerequisite for understanding Sod." and in order to understand the meaning of the Scriptures. However, kabbalah will be discussed and it needs to be understood that Pardes is an acronym for the understanding of Scriptures via kabbalistic means.
“... students of the Kabbalah speak of Pardes ...which is an acronym derived from the initial letter of each of the four terms (p-r-d-s)....According to the late Professor Gershom Scholem, pioneer researcher in the field of Kabbalah, Moses ben Shem Tov of Leon was the first known writer to mention the acronym Pardes. He did so about 1290 in a composition called Sefer Pardes. Moses ben Shem Tov also wrote The Zohar, which became the most influential work of the Spanish Kabbalists...The Kabbalists were mystics par excellence, and they pursued vigorously Scripture's concealed meanings. They aspired to an elevated spiritual awareness by gaining access to concealed knowledge through scrutinizing each letter of the biblical text and through ecstatic ascents into heaven...Their longing for esoteric knowledge may be traced back in part to earlier Gnostic speculations. Such speculations left their imprints on the Kabbalah...The acronym Pardes belongs exclusively to the domain of the Kabbalah.”Quoted from an article titled:“Medieval Jargon on First-century Lips”
Author: David Bivin
July-September 1999 #56
A book published in 1984 by David Bivin (Director of the JSSR) and Roy Blizzard has formed the basis of much Hebrew Roots' doctrine. The following excerpts from Understanding The Difficult Words Of Jesus represent the JSSR viewpoint on the lack of originality of the Greek New Testament:
"...Our reasons for writing this book are not only to show that the original gospel was communicated in the Hebrew language; but to show that the entire New Testament can only be understood from a Hebrew perspective. 2.
"It cannot be overemphasised, that the key to an understanding of the New Testament is a fluent knowledge of Hebrew and an intimate acquaintance with Jewish history, culture, and Rabbinic Literature."
Jesus Christ is identified by the JSSR as being "like other Jewish sages of that time". Please see Jacob Prasch & The Jerusalem School of Synoptic Research for more on the JSSR.
For $5 one could purchase Monte Judah's audio tape "The Two House Teaching" amongst 23 audios of Monte Judah's teachings in the 6001.com Store, with the statement, "We have selected the BEST of Monte Judah’s teachings and are making them available here for the First Time! " [6001.com/offerings.htm> www.6001.com/Merchant2/merchant.mv?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=6001&Product_Code=mj-twohouse&Category_Code=RR; ]
Monte Judah, a proven false prophet, continues in the vein of 'prophet,' as stated on his website,
"Our mission is to provide prophetic insight and understanding concerning the return of Yeshua the Messiah to the Earth" [http://www.lionlamb.net/]
In the September/October 2005 issue of Monte Judah's newsletter, Yavoh, he presented his teaching of the falsehood of the book of Hebrews, and why all should reject it and uphold the requirement to be under the Law of the Old Testament, thereby negating the New Covenant and being saved by grace through Jesus Christ.
For further discussion on the Keeping the Law issue please see: Does Obeying the Laws and Commands of the Old Testament Please God? from John Juedes ; Brad Scott - Part 4 : Torah Observant Gentile & Under the Law ; Tithing Is It Scriptural for New Covenant Believers? Under the Law or Led by the Spirit :Introduction
Daniel Juster initially co-wrote the MJAA's position paper on the "Ephraimite Error", or Two House theology, which includes mention of not only the supposed fringe, but people advocated by "Mainstream" Messianics, such as David Hargis, well discussed in the various Seek God articles.
It should be noted that Marshall Moshe Koniuchowsky, is stated in the MJAA article as being in leadership of the Messianic Israel Alliance (MIA). He initially was, but is no longer part of that group. He and the Wootens parted company. From the MJAA position papers:
The Ephraimite Error: Introduction
The Ephraimite Error
A Position Paper Submitted to the
International Messianic Jewish Alliance
Author: Kay Silberling, Ph.D.
Committee Members and Advisors:
Kay Silberling, Ph.D.
Daniel Juster, Th.D.
David Sedaca, M.A
"A movement alternately known as the "Ephraimite," "Restoration of Israel," "Two-Covenant Israel," or "Two House" movement has recently gained ground in some areas among ardent Christian Zionists. Proponents of this movement contend that members of the "born-again" segment of the Christian church are, in fact, actual blood descendants of the biblical Israelites who were dispersed as a result of the Assyrian invasion of the ancient kingdom of Israel in 722 B.C.E.1
The movement's proponents further argue that these dispersed "Israelites," or "Ephraimites," whose identities have remained undisclosed even to themselves until recent times, primarily settled in areas now recognized as largely populated by Anglo-Saxons. At times they argue that all Anglo-Saxons, and even all of humanity, are descended from these lost Ephraimites. At other times, that only born-again Christians can claim descent. In either case, Christians from Anglo-Saxon lands, such as Great Britain, Australia, Canada, and the United States, can feel assured that they are most likely direct blood descendants of the ancient people of Ephraim.
It is now incumbent upon these members of "Ephraim," they argue, to "accept their birthright" and live as members of Israel.2 They urge Gentile Christians to keep the Torah3 in obedience to the Hebrew scriptures, to strive to re-educate Jews and other Christians about their new, "latter-day prophecy," and to work toward the repatriation of the land of Israel by their own number.
Primary among the movement's spokespersons are Batya and Angus Wootten and Marshall, a.k.a. Moshe, Koniuchowsky. The Woottens publish a newsletter entitled the House of David Herald, as well as several books. Batya's books include In Search of Israel, The Star of David, The Olive Tree of Israel, and Who Is Israel? And Why You Need to Know. Angus' books include Take Two Tablets Daily, A Survey of the Ten Commandments and 613 Laws that God Gave Moses and The Messianic Vision. Other names mentioned by Wootten are Brian Hennessy and David Hargis. Ed Chumney has written a book entitled The Bride of Christ, which I was unable to review.4 Among the Woottens, I will deal only with Batya's writings.
Moshe Koniuchowsky leads a ministry called "Your Arms to Israel." In addition, he has recently formed an organization named "The Messianic Israel Alliance," which, despite its misleading name, has no affiliation with or endorsement by the International Messianic Jewish Alliance or any of its affiliates. The movement is growing to the point that it now has some areas of overlap with the Christian Zionist movement as well as the Messianic Jewish movement. As a result of this, there are several spokespersons in both these groups who advance this teaching while maintaining primary affiliation either as Christian Zionists or as Messianic Jews..." 1
Due to the split of Moshe Koniuchowsky and the Wootens, aside from his YATI organization, Marshall Koniuchowsky launched the Union of Two House Congregations. We've already 'met' board member Tom Mitchell, in the article, Tom Mitchell, Board member of Union of Two House Messianic Congregations, Responds. Besides Mitchell and Koniuchowsky, the other board member is Ed Nydle. Just to be clear, there are Two House believers outside the beliefs of the Union of Two House Congregations, who uphold the tenets of the Gospel, reject kabbalah and believe in the Deity of Christ, and so on.
Taking a brief look at Ed Nydle's teachings and website, reveals a deep promotion of kabbalistic teachings, kabbalah websites, including the Chabad Lubavitch and quite frankly some of the most blatantly wicked writings this writer has read in quite some time.
From denigrating the Name of Jesus Christ to such wickedness that can hardly be related, and is found in his articles such as his two part series, "Was Satan/Helel/Venus "Married" to Yahweh? (2) ", and "Was Satan/Hillel/Asherath "Married" to Yahweh Pt 2 (3)
"Rabbi's" Ed Nydle, Koniuchowsky and others apparently believe that the answer to that question is yes. In part 2, Nydle quotes his 'brother in arms', Koniuchowsky and also Eddie Chumney and states,
"...Let me quote from a recent e-mail listing the NEW tape series from Rabbi Moshe Koniuchowsky dated Tuesday July 18, 2000: B-8-YAHWEH’S FALLEN BRIDE!...."
Nydle goes on and states, "The purpose was to show you that the idea of Ashterah/Lucifer/Hillel being Yahweh’s consort is NOT a NEW concept or teaching,...Brother Eddie Chumney also hints at this idea in his book "Who is the Bride of Christ"...." 4
Ed Nydle also wrote, which is the common theology of those within the Union, in his article, "Who is the "Abomination that makes Desolate?" By Rabbi Edward "Levi" Nydle"
"....The answer to the question who is the abomination is: Satan/Hillel/Ashtorah/Zeus/Baal-zebul/Tammuz/SHIQQUS (BAAL) SHAMEN-LORD of HEAVEN or OIL= IESOUS (Jesus)! Satan/Hillel has pulled off the greatest deception of all time. He has set himself up as the LORD of HEAVEN/..." www.bnaiavraham.net/articles/who_is_the_abomination.htm
Update: Newsflash regarding the changing of URLs and removal or change of articles from quoted websites or source documents.
The above is Leadership of the Union of Two House Congregations which is openly anti- Christian, against the Name and person of Jesus Christ and pro-sacred name movement. They are speculating and speaking about things concerning God that they have no knowledge of, including sourcing the prophecies in Daniel and Revelation for their speculation. That is adding to the Words of God and forbidden by God Himself through the very Torah they say they honor.
Proverbs 30:5 Every word of God is pure: he is a shield unto them that put their trust in him. 6 Add thou not unto his words, lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar.
Revelation 22:18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:
19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.
It should be noted that the Two House theology or British Israelism in it's varied forms, Lost Tribes, etc., is discussed in such articles as: A Little Identity Crisis ~ British Israelism; The British Israel /Christian Identity Connection, etc.
Two House theology of Judah and the Ephraimites was for many years also taught by Herbert W. Armstrong and the World Wide Church of God. He sourced J.H. Allan amongst others. It is not 'new' theology. There are 'two houses' in this world that matter. Those who love Jesus Christ and those who reject Him, and that is what people should be focused on.
Lost Tribes proponent, Yair Davidy, openly rejects the Deity of Jesus Christ. Yet, we find many Two House leadership and members seeking out his conferences. He's also promoted by kabbalists such as James Trimm. Many Two House proponents are actually using Trimm's and other kabbalist writings, while speaking against kabbalah. They apparently are not aware that, for example, his teaching on PaRDeS, is actually from the kabbalah, as is the use of gematria. Some embrace the theology of "Greater and Lesser," and so on, and also refer to "Hamashiach ben Yosef," meaning Messiah was the son of Joseph. That statement is sometimes used as an attempt to eliminate the Deity of Christ. He was not the son of Joseph. He was the Son of God and in worldly terms, stepson of Joseph. Jesus Christ was God come in the flesh.
One can't say they are against kabbalah while teaching it's various theology. One can't have it both ways.
James 1:8 A double minded man is unstable in all his ways.
It should be pointed out that there are
sincere believers in Yeshua in the 'fringe' Two House movement as with the
"mainstream", who clearly stand in defense of the Deity of Jesus
Christ, the blood atonement, and other very necessary foundational issues. In
fact many, because of the groups they are moving in, have readily stood against
the denigration of the Name of Jesus Christ, which is a major movement within
the Messianic movement itself, and also the kabbalah, and have stood for the
inspiration of the Greek
New Testament. Just as in the Christian community, the issue becomes about Christ, Biblical obedience and sound doctrine. If doctrine is not Biblically sound, it needs to be corrected or rejected.
Daniel Juster has also written an endorsement for false prophet, Jim Searcy, in his book, Great Joy.
Searcy's website has connections to the Prophecy Club and false prophet Michael Rood, and he also promotes false prophets Ralph Stair and "Elijah," and many others. See: The Prophecy Club & Elijah
This 368 page book will clear up the confusion of the many unbiblical teachings concerning the end times. Understanding the scriptures regarding the Great Tribulation removes fear and produces Great Joy.
"The scriptural compendium on the tribulation is excellent."
Dr. Daniel C. Juster, President, Messiah Biblical Institute & Graduate School of Theology" 5
Aside from his many false prophecies, in May 2002, Stair was arrested and charged with two counts of breach of trust, two counts of criminal sexual conduct, unlawful burying of a body without notice or inquiry and failure to get authorization for the removal of a dead body. The criminal sexual conduct charges included complaints of at least 70 incidents. [Press and Standard, May, June, July 2002, various dates] "Stair has also been confronted with allegations of neglect from family members of a recently deceased follower Stan Bean, 27. Though an autopsy revealed Bean's cause of death to be from a cerebral herniation, his father says his son could have been saved with proper medical care. The Overcomer Ministry does not use the services of medical doctors." [Press and Standard, July 16, 2002]
This writer was told in August 2003, that I didn't know the "real" Messianic leadership, although I have written about the whole spectrum in the past, including the MJAA, and that I should go find some good links and sources via the http://www.hebroots.org/. Quoting statements directed at me from a Messianic forum:
HEBREW ROOTS REPS
Here is a web page with many Hebrew Roots links.. http://www.hebroots.org/
One good example of what really qualifies as the "Hebrew Roots"
movement is http://www.restorationfoundation.org/ - Restore! Magazine....
....And we can get an additional overview of what are really "Hebrew Roots" folks at http://www.aihls.org/faculty.html Quite a diverse group..
Brad Young, Marvin Wilson, Dwight Pryor, Richard Booker and Ron Mosely are all interesting writers, some are more orthodox "Christian" in theology (Booker), some more nuanced, but it is not fair to any of them to weigh their views by concentrating on, or clumping with, such as Avi Ben Mordechai and James Trimm.
I was told to go to http://www.hebroots.org as a good source --- Eddie Chumney's site, and yet it was stated previously from that same Forum, that Two House teaching is fringe Messianism, which most Messianics reject. Chumney's site is joined with and part of the fringe ...including kabbalist Avi ben Mordechai, Moshe Koniuchowsky, James Trimm, --- all the people stated as fringe and not mainstream Messianic Movement. For More on Avi ben Mordechai see: Avi ben Mordechai & Millennium 7000
So it is indeed curious to see people acceptable by 'Mainstream" Messianics, listed in what is viewed as this writer's needed resource- http://www.hebroots.org , under Chumney's -"HEBRAIC / JEWISH ROOTS CHRISTIAN MINISTRIES."
We see, Brad Young, Marvin Wilson, Dwight Pryor, Richard Booker and Ron Moseley, alongside what is called the fringe messianism of Monte Judah, Koniuchowsky, FFOZ, James Trimm's SANJ, etc.
From Two House advocate Monte Judah's Lion and Lamb site, examples of the links he advocates, we see David Hargis's MBI listed, as well as Don Doherty, who is on their faculty, a Sacred Name website, and many others. To be listed one had to apply to Monte Judah and be accepted.
"...The Trib Trooper Cinc Line is a collection of post-tribulational websites on the Internet. ... We will contact you when your website has been accepted.
Member Website Directory
- Lion and Lamb Ministries may not necessarily endorse the information of the following websites, although we do share the following views:
- a.) all websites are post-tribulational in nature
- b.) all websites believe that Yeshua/Jesus is God
- c.) all websites are pro-Israel and pro-Torah
- Lion and Lamb Ministries reserves the right to which websites appear in this directory.
Eliyah's Home Page http://www.eliyah.com/index.html
Kol HaShofar http://www.geocities.com/donbam_2000
Messianic Bureau International http://www.messianic.com " 6
Eliyah website is found in the Sacred Name movement and listed on such sites as: http://www.bomis.com/rings/sacredname/.
Eliyah's Home Page >http://www.eliyah.com/index.shtml
The Most Well-Rounded Sacred Name Site on the Web.
The Kol HaShofar link takes one to 'Donbam's website, where one can read his biography
>>>My name is Donald Doherty and I live in Chesapeake Virginia...I am currently the congregational Shamash or Deacon for Mishkan HaMelech...I currently hold a Bachelor's of Messianic Studies from the Messianic Bureau International Yeshiva, and am currently working on my Master's for Messianic Rabbi from the same Yeshiva. I am also on staff as a Yeshiva instructor.
Donald Doherty & MBI
Donald Doherty has been involved with the faculty and administration of David Hargis's MBI Yeshiva for several years. And he co-hosts MBI's radio and chat with David Hargis, has been a trustee for MBI Yeshiva and so on.
This is the David Hargis who I've written numerous articles about, that wrote 'curriculum' for various diploma mills, operated at least 2 diploma mills, gave himself his own doctorate; he and his mother and wife obtained their various degrees via diploma mills, etc. And David Hargis was on the current faculty of Saint John Chrysostom Theological Seminary with his brother Don Hargis aka Bishop Don De Cordova and other variations, and also with their deceased mother as faculty. That was the 'Seminary that gave James Trimm his 'doctorate' and diploma.
Not only were all three listed as faculty on that facade, but also on their defunct diploma mill called Mountain West Hebrew University. Their involvement in Saint John's goes back to at least 1991, when Don Hargis aka Don de Cordova, David and their mother, Marian Hargis were apparently listed in the supposed 1991 Handbook of the Seminary. That information was supplied by James Trimm.
1991 was when David Hargis was supposedly ordained a Messianic Rabbi and also started leading the Mishkan HaMelech assembly. Which certainly brings into question how a former AOG pastor could turn Messianic rabbi who provided himself with his own doctorate, while at the same time being involved in a Catholic seminary. In fact a News Flash was issued on July 6, 2003, which stated the following:
July 6, 2003
MBI Yeshiva has revamped their Faculty and removed Don B Hargis from the list. Don B. Hargis is actually Bishop Don de Cordova or Bishop Don Bryant Hargis De Cordova or whatever other variation he chooses to use for whatever purpose of deception. It appears to be an attempt at damage control. However, that attempt does not divert attention from their involvement in at least three other diploma mills, David himself admitting writing the curriculum for the International Bible College and Seminary, where he gave himself his own doctorate. Nor does it negate the illegal and defunct Mountain West Hebrew University, where David, Don and Linda and other MBI faculty were also listed...as well as their mother Marian who had been deceased since 1999. Nor does it divert attention from the fact of the use of worthless credentials all have claimed for at least 20 years...nor the issuing of those worthless credentials and to not only themselves, but others claiming to be faculty and also some of those who have "chartered" with MBI..."
That is why it is even more interesting that we see Don Doherty having been a forum member on the Baptist Board since 2001, with all appearance of trying to influence unsuspecting and naive Christians who "need" their varied services and teachings. The Webmaster of BaptistBoard.com has given permission to quote the forum correspondences relating to Don Doherty, as necessary. From the site:
Under the thread title >BaptistBoard.com » Christian DEBATE Forums (All Christians)
» Other Religions / Doctrines » Cults that are leading Christians away from the faith (Page 3)
The following was posted by a Baptist Board forum member:
Don Doherty then responded, posting under his Donbam name and revealing that he'd been involved with the Hargis's at least ten years. Referring to my Seek God site, he stated,
Posted September 7, 2003
This was the original link that I posted at the start of this topic:
Here is another interesting site that deals with cults:
DonbamThe problem with this first "apologetic" site, is that it's not apologetic at all. It's full of venom and hatred for anyone who does not agree with this woman's theology.
Member # 2325
If you are going to defend the faith, then defend it. This site and woman digs into people's personal backgrounds, revels and posts e-mail's of people that dis-agree with her to belittle them in a public forum, and all with the permission of her husband.
The site is actually a gossip site.
As a Messianic Jew, I am involved with one of the ministries mentioned on the site, and have been for well over ten years.
Not once, has this person ever contacted the ministry or those in leadership to discuss anything at all.
Despite the fact that she denies that she is teaching anyone, the fact is just the opposite.
The second site that is mentioned is at least more balanced. I don't have a problem with the fact that they don't agree with Messianic Judaism.
There are offshoots of the movement that I don't agree with either. It's up to me to walk out my own salvation with Yeshua, with fear and trembling, not to gossip and degrade others with an evil speaking tounge.
I enjoy a good apologetic site, but I would suggest that people be discerning of the spirit behind them when visiting.
Interesting that research and reporting facts and trying the spirits are considered gossip. Doherty stated, "As a Messianic Jew, I am involved with one of the ministries mentioned on the site, and have been for well over ten years." That means he's claiming to be Jewish, although the Doherty name is Irish. He's also claiming to be part of the Hargis ventures since at least 1991, since 2001 was when the online bio was made. That was before MBI launched and definitely before the MBI Yeshiva was launched. It would be most interesting to know which other activities Doherty was involved in with the Hargis's, whose claim to fame appears to be family diploma mills.
When the forum member apparently recognized and exposed who he was, mentioning that Doherty had been written about in many of the articles, Don came back with the thought that "The information on that site is well outdated", and told the Member that the discussion was over. 7
On the Baptist forum posting, Don seems to take issue with, "posts e-mail's of people that dis-agree with her to belittle them in a public forum".
One can only assume Doherty is referring to my posting the "Rabbi" Tom Mitchell's emailed venom and my subsequent refuting of the things that were Biblically false, including his assault against the person and Name of Jesus Christ, thereby exposing the fruitless deeds of darkness. Tom Mitchell wrote me and spewed forth, even though after his first email I asked him not to write again. It can be supposed that name calling and hatred and lack of the fruit of the Spirit, are intended to be kept hidden so the followers don't know what these people are doing in 'secret.'
Ephesians 5:6 Let no man deceive you with vain words: for because of these things cometh the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience. 7 Be not ye therefore partakers with them.
8 For ye were sometimes darkness, but now are ye light in the Lord: walk as children of light: 9 (For the fruit of the Spirit is in all goodness and righteousness and truth;) 10 Proving what is acceptable unto the Lord.
11 And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them.
In his profile on the Baptist forum, Don Doherty lists his personal web site as being: http://www.kol-hashofar.org, which is currently under construction but gives the link > [as of September 15, 2003]
"This site is currently under construction. Please visit the old site at www.geocities.com/donbam_2000.
That site has his online biography, quoted above, and we can assume he wants people to know who he is and his connections with the MBI and the Hargis's.
"...My name is Donald Doherty and I live in Chesapeake Virginia. I attend a Messianic congregation called Mishkan HaMelech -..." 8
Donald Doherty is also Daniel Doherty. It should be no surprise to find yet another person involved in these organizations using various names.
From David Hargis's MBI site, "MBI Chartered Congregations, Synagogues, Ministries and Schools / Update 01/31/2003", we see that the Mishkan HaMelech congregation is actually David Hargis's congregation.
"....Mishkan HaMelekh (Messianic Jewish Congregation) / Hampton, VA / MRav. David M. Hargis & Rebbitzin Linda (Yaffa) Hargis
Kol HaShofar / Chesapeake, VA / MMin. Daniel Aviyah Doherty & Mrs. Chava Doherty..." 9
And from the advertisement for Kol HaShofar from Monte Judah's Lion and Lamb site, which connects directly to the 'donbam' site:
Kol Shofar >>>My name is Donald Doherty and I live in Chesapeake Virginia...I am currently the congregational Shamash or Deacon for Mishkan HaMelech...I currently hold a Bachelor's of Messianic Studies from the Messianic Bureau International Yeshiva, and am currently working on my Master's for Messianic Rabbi from the same Yeshiva. I am also on staff as a Yeshiva instructor.
On one of the various public kol hashofar forums--which is the name of the congregation "Daniel" leads-- which Doherty administrates or moderates, he notes growing up in a traditional Episcopal church with no mention of having Jewish heritage, until much later in life, when he was Jewish and in a Messianic congregation.
(6/10/01 7:06 pm)
"...I grew up in a traditional church background. I was an altar boy and went to an Episcopal church...After I got out in 1980, ... There I met some people that soon became my friends. One Sunday, they went to an Assembly of G-d church and accepted Jesus. During the next week, they told me about it. I had always remembered liking to go to church, so I went. It was a bit unusual coming from a traditional background, but I liked the service. The message was good, and I felt like the pastor knew me. When they gave an altar call, up I went.... " 10
Note---going "up"---is not a declaration of having accepted Jesus Christ as Savior and Lord. In fact the following statement is addressed in the parable of the sower....
Matthew 13:18 Hear ye therefore the parable of the sower.
19 When any one heareth the word of the kingdom, and understandeth it not, then cometh the wicked one, and catcheth away that which was sown in his heart. This is he which received seed by the way side.
20 But he that received the seed into stony places, the same is he that heareth the word, and anon with joy receiveth it;
21 Yet hath he not root in himself, but dureth for a while: for when tribulation or persecution ariseth because of the word, by and by he is offended.
22 He also that received seed among the thorns is he that heareth the word; and the care of this world, and the deceitfulness of riches, choke the word, and he becometh unfruitful...."
Doherty continues his testimony and states,
"Unfortunately, it took only a matter of months before my friends and I stopped attending and started going in the opposite direction...At some point in time, my wife found out she was Jewish, on her grandmother's side. We were both getting fed up with church and hearing the same message again and again...At this point, we started looking for a Messianic Jewish congregation where we were now living in Virginia.
...The marriage finally fell apart, with my soon to be ex-wife cursing G-d....I kept going to the congregation... That was over ten years ago. ... Two years ago, I met and married the one I know is my help mate....I now serve as the congregational Shammash (deacon), and hold a Bachelor's of Messianic Studies. I am currently working on my Master's for Messianic Rabbi. I am an ordained Messianic Evangelist and also instruct several courses in the online Yeshiva for Messianic Bureau International...My wife and I are both Jewish believers in Messiah,
Daniel Aviyah Doherty" 11
The "Kol HaShofar - Sound of the Shofar" link is also found at the bottom of 'Daniel Doherty's' ezboard testimony page, which actually also takes you to his donbam site > http://www.geocities.com/donbam_2000
In the Kol Hashofar forum's personal profile about himself, directly linked from the Daniel Doherty testimony, Doherty also lists, "My Personal Link > http://www.geocities.com/donbam_2000," which states his name as being Donald Doherty, not Daniel.
Don Doherty aka Daniel Doherty aka Donbam is the same Don Doherty on MBI Yeshiva's faculty and administration, radio, etc.. Please see:
I think the use of the Hargis's deceased mother on, not only the MBI Yeshiva faculty, but St John Chrysostom Theological Seminary and one of their other defunct diploma mills, truly shows the character of those involved, although Doherty likely disagrees.
Trying to discredit the Seek God articles results in promoting the teachings of, for example, a false prophet like Michael Rood, who claims he was a former "Baptist" reverend, but then, left the "Baptist cult." That is really hardly a claim to sound judgment, particularly when posting on a Baptist run forum. In fact, to try to discredit the analysis of a publicly posted ministry and publicly posted "personal" information is unwise. That analysis is very much essential as shown by the very documentation Doherty reviles.
"And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.
21 But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.
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