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The Spreading Hebrew Roots


Psalm 1:1-5 

Blessed is the man that walketh not in the counsel of the ungodly, nor standeth in the way of sinners, nor sitteth in the seat of the scornful.
2  But his delight is in the law of the LORD; and in his law doth he meditate day and night.
3  And he shall be like a tree planted by the rivers of water, that bringeth forth his fruit in his season; his leaf also shall not wither; and whatsoever he doeth shall prosper.
4  The ungodly are not so: but are like the chaff which the wind driveth away. 5  Therefore the ungodly shall not stand in the judgment, nor sinners in the congregation of the righteous.


In a recent Messianic forum discussion (in August 2003), some protested that a "Christian"- meaning myself--should not have any  input into presenting any information to Messianic's or about people such as Society for the Advancement of Nazarene Judaism (SANJ) or's James Trimm and Michael Rood of A Rood Awakening. 

The contention of some is that Christians have no business with Messianics, although according to some, we are brothers and sisters in the Lord, regardless whether one says their Savior is Jesus Christ or Yeshua. But what comes through from some, is a sectarian attitude which espouses that the Messianics are 'different', that they have found special knowledge, that "they" are the remnant, that things Jewish are somehow better than just studying God's Word. There is also, with some, the very same rejection of anything 'Christian,' as with people like Michael Rood, and while it is said that Yeshua and Jesus can be used interchangeably, the person doing so appears to have needs of being Messianic. 

Just as many are able to slap the name of Jesus or Christian on some brand of false teaching, so to the Messianic movement faces the same type of deception by use of Messianic, Yeshua, Hebrew Roots, Hebraic Roots, Sacred Name, True Name and so on. It should be no surprise to those grounded in the Word of God.

Matthew 7:15   Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves

2 Peter 2:1 But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.
2 And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of.
3 And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you: whose judgment now of a long time lingereth not, and their damnation slumbereth not.

1 John 4:1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.

2 Corinthians 11:13 For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ.
14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. 15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.

2 Timothy 3:12 Yea, and all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution. 13 But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived. 

Jude 1:3 Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort you that ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints.
4 For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.

The following analysis of the Messianic movement was recently posted to a Messianic forum, again in August 2003, and was confirmed as accurate by Moishe Rosen, founder of Jews for Jesus. 

Quote ... Comprised of Jews and Gentiles into one body who desire to have a Messianic lifestyle (basically observing the commandments with the emphasis that Yeshua is Messiah).
 Within Messianic Judaism:
 1. Oneness
 2. Trinitarian
 3. Charasmatic
 4. Non-Charasmatic
 5. Ultra Charasmatic
 6. Leaning towards Talmud expression
 7. Developing own Halachah

Fringe Messianic groups:
 1. Sacred Name
 2. Two-House

It was said recently that my Hebrew Roots information was wrong, outdated and so on, because I had stated in 1999 and, using historical data, that the high percentage of Messianics came from pentecostal, or charismatic background. Four of the Seven "types" listed above are clearly in that category, with the fringe also likely part of that percentage. 

It should be understood that the term Messianic appears to cover all involved, in any aspect of the movement, from mainstream to fringe elements, as well as those who believe in the Deity of Jesus Christ and those who reject it. It becomes a serious issue for those trying to involve themselves in sound doctrine.

It's interesting that when I wrote the 1999 To Embrace Hebrew Roots series, it was partly because of being asked to join into the movement. What this writer saw were problems and issues we also saw in the Christian community. We never really entertained it as an option for our family, simply because of all the many issues that really are "no different under the sun." We have merely continued as Bereans and Christians, meaning we are followers of Jesus Christ. We make no pretense of trying to use other languages or other names for our Savior Jesus Christ, as we are English speaking. It's that simple.  

In the Messianic movement there are just as many doctrinal errors, egos, merchandising of the saints, false teachings, false prophets, false leaders, as what is deemed the Christian community. There can also be found, with some, just as much an attitude of caste system--some are better than others, as so aptly pointed out by researcher Kathryn Kern, who stated about the Messianic movement, 

".... But in this move, you not only have Jews that are following this Hebraic path, but those that were of Goy birth. Where do they fit into Messianic Judaism? ... the un-dealt with issues have now started to deal with themselves, much to the dismay of the Messianic Jewish community. Since some taught the predominance of the Jew, some Goyiym not content with being treated as a "second class citizen" tried to find how they fit. ... Some of these wandering Goy became groups that call themselves Two House and House of Ephraim. Some simply did a genealogy search and miraculously found that they had Jewish lineage and now they are not the "despised" Goy, but Jewish. Others did not even want the question about their background to be an issue and made up their own Jewish background. Some made formal conversions. And finally, some have had false conversions. Any one of those situations can be enough of a problem for the Messianic community, but add a person that wants power, position and a following to it and you have a recipe for disaster, not just for the Messianic community, but most especially for the witness to the Jewish community...It is unavoidable that Messianics are going to be in the crosshairs of both groups. Christians see them as Jews and Jews see them as Christians....Unfortunately there is no standard in the Messianic community and as such there are a wide range of views out there. This is a problem with no easy solution..."

We are reminded:

James 2:1 My brethren, have not the faith of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Lord of glory, with respect of persons...
8 If ye fulfil the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself, ye do well:
9 But if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors.

Personally, I don't specifically see Messianics as Jews, as many are Gentiles, with no Jewish heritage. I was told recently, again in August 2003, that I didn't know who the players or leadership were in the Messianic movement. But, since I am writing in 2003 about people currently affecting Messianic believers, and who are being discussed not only in the Messianic arena but, are targeting the Christian arena, it's not really a valid argument. 

Jews for Jesus wrote in their online article about the Hebraic Roots movement, in the section Frequently Asked Questions, the following definition of the Hebraic Roots Movement, to which this writer would agree, although it lacks mention of the use of the Talmud and attempted mainstreaming of kabbalah into the Messianic doctrine.

"...The Hebraic Roots or Jewish Roots movement can be described as a movement of organizations, often closely networked, that hold in common an emphasis on recovering the "original" Jewishness of Christianity through any or all of the following: studying the Bible in its Jewish context; observing the Torah; keeping the Sabbath and festivals; avoiding the "paganism" of Christianity; affirming the existence of original Hebrew language gospels and denigrating the Greek text. Usually this is all grouped under the rubric of "studying the Hebraic roots of Christianity" or something similar..." 1

While some 'Messianics' have viewed my being a "Christian" as contemptible, they have in the same breath not asked what our heritage is--something which matters apparently to many Messianics, but, not to those who understand that the issue is about the very person of Jesus Christ, not heritage, or culture, regardless what or where someone comes from. 

Titus 3:8 This is a faithful saying, and these things I will that thou affirm constantly, that they which have believed in God might be careful to maintain good works. These things are good and profitable unto men.
9 But avoid foolish questions, and genealogies, and contentions, and strivings about the law; for they are unprofitable and vain.

1 Timothy 1:3 As I besought thee to abide still at Ephesus, when I went into Macedonia, that thou mightest charge some that they teach no other doctrine, 4 Neither give heed to fables and endless genealogies, which minister questions, rather than godly edifying which is in faith: so do.

Romans 10:12 For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him. 13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.

1 Thessalonians 1:7  And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with His mighty angels, 8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:

Elitist assumptions are being made within the Messianic community which suggest that, depending on the sect, one cannot claim to be a "Christian" and be worth talking to, or that Christians are pagan filth or deceived, or antinomian xtians, (lawless) or some other derogatory term. That is anti-Christianism and does not come from God. For some, the Messianic movement means some appear to be obligated to try and rebuild the partition that was removed by the acceptance of Jesus or Yeshua, going against the Biblical teaching that we are now "one new man."

Ephesians 2:13 But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ.14 For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us; 15 Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;
16 And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby: 17 And came and preached peace to you which were afar off, and to them that were nigh.
18 For through him we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father. 19 Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God;
20 And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone;

Some do not even consider that the term Messianic and Christian are unified by the person of Jesus Christ. Unified if the person believes in the Deity of Jesus Christ, the Messiah, that is. There are many that have moved from one idea to the next, with the eventual rejection of Jesus Christ completely, or rejection of the belief that He is God come in the flesh, and He is rather the Rabbinical or Orthodox Jewish belief of Messiah, but not God.

1 John 4:3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.

2 John 2:9 He that saith he is in the light, and hateth his brother, is in darkness even until now. 10 He that loveth his brother abideth in the light, and there is none occasion of stumbling in him.
11 But he that hateth his brother is in darkness, and walketh in darkness, and knoweth not whither he goeth, because that darkness hath blinded his eyes.

Hebrews 1:1 God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,
2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;
3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;...

5 For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son? 6 And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him. 7 And of the angels he saith, Who maketh his angels spirits, and his ministers a flame of fire.
8 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.

Matthew 13: 1 The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity;

Some expound elitist assumptions which suggest that one cannot be a Christian and be Jewish. One would instead have to be Messianic and do what is being done in the Messianic sects, a very dangerous and false assumption. There are as many "denominations" or splits in ideology in the Messianic movement as the Christian church, and in fact, because of the "getting back to Hebrew roots" notion, the door is wide open to just about anything with a different flavor and twist--as long as it doesn't sound too "Christian" to some. Again, anti-Christianism, and it is not of God. 

Most Messianics and Hebrew Roots, or Hebraic Roots, proponents appear to believe they have separated themselves from the perceived lack and/or "error" of the Christian church. Arguments abound over words, and meaning of words, commandments of men and ungodly speculation, no different than in the Christian arena. Warnings about these things abound, and yet appear to be ignored.

2 Timothy 2:14 Of these things put them in remembrance, charging them before the Lord that they strive not about words to no profit, but to the subverting of the hearers.
15 Study to show thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth. 16 But shun profane and vain babblings: for they will increase unto more ungodliness. 17 And their word will eat as doth a canker:...

 1Timothy 6:3 If any man teach otherwise, and consent not to wholesome words, even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which is according to godliness;
4 He is proud, knowing nothing, but doting about questions and strifes of words, whereof cometh envy, strife, railings, evil surmisings, 5 Perverse disputings of men of corrupt minds, and destitute of the truth, supposing that gain is godliness: from such withdraw thyself.

Romans 16:17 Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them. 18 For they that are such serve not our Lord Jesus Christ, but their own belly; and by good words and fair speeches deceive the hearts of the simple.

This writer sees the same errors and the same names and the same ecumenical movement in the Mainstream Messianic groups. The MJAA states, "(MJAA) is the largest association of Messianic Jewish believers in Yeshua (Jesus) in the world."  With it and other Messianic groups, "Christians" such as Rick Joyner, Stephen Strang, Bill McCartney of Promise Keepers, have all been involved as speakers, for example, at the MJAA conferences and so on. The same ecumenical Lausanne  documents are used, the same direction is being taken to unite the Body of Christ with Belial. 

One merely needs to read the articles through out the Seek God website, which discuss these various issues....such as, Paths of the One World Religion > Introduction: Lausanne & Lausanne Consultation on Jewish Evangelism (LCJE) ; EJECCT:  Ecumenical Jews, Evangelicals, Charismatics  &  Catholics Together ; etc. The One World Religion sections deal with the spirituality needed to reject Christ and accept anti-christ. It shows the various avenues that is being accomplished. It shows the snares that Believers in Christ need to be aware of. 

There are those who reject the documented information, simply on the basis that it comes from a Christian, or their leadership or icons or idols are mentioned. If there is something wrong spiritually or doctrinally it needs to be addressed. God is not a respecter of person's, nor are we to show partiality in our spiritual judgment and discernment. Sin is available to all. We're to care for one another and encourage one another and at times warn one another of potential problems.

If we are really brothers or sisters in the Lord, we're likely to be mutually edified by any communication and sharing of information, because the issue is about obedience to Christ.

Ephesians 4:12 For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:
13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:
14 That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive;
15 But speaking the truth in love, may grow up into him in all things, which is the head, even Christ:
16 From whom the whole body fitly joined together and compacted by that which every joint supplieth, according to the effectual working in the measure of every part, maketh increase of the body unto the edifying of itself in love.

Ephesians 4:1 I therefore, the prisoner of the Lord, beseech you that ye walk worthy of the vocation wherewith ye are called,
2 With all lowliness and meekness, with longsuffering, forbearing one another in love;
3 Endeavouring to keep the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace.
4 There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling;
5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism,
6 One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all. 

In the various posts to one Messianic forum, the website of Eddie Chumney and others connected to Michael Rood and James Trimm were brought in. I've quoted some statements directed to myself from that forum from August 2003, and included some additional information and thoughts. I chose to eliminate the source, as I believe that the statements relay a common sentiment towards myself.

... it applies to some in the Hebrew Roots movement, yet doesn't apply to others.  John Garr, Eddie Chumney, Ron Mosely, Brad Young and Avi Ben Mordechai have quite distinct views, and many whom are considered "Hebrew Roots" teachers would put a big distance between themselves and Avi's nuevo-kabbalistic views, and more especially from Avi's low view of the Messianic Testament (NT), which end up in the spiritual pit of even doubting the virgin birth of Messiah.

Unfortunately, I see the joining of these teachers/teachings to the "average" Messianic on a regular basis...because people do not understand the people like kabbalist Avi ben Mordechai of Torah Talk, who thinks it's "fun" to change the Word of God. See: Literal Kabbalah: Gematria & Numerology. For More on Avi ben Mordechai see: Avi ben Mordechai & Millennium 7000

In fact the mainstreaming of any aspect of the Messianic movement is being widely circulated into the Christian community, via forums, and includes the talmud and kabbalah. Many are believing the writings to be required teaching.

I suppose if these Trimm, Avi, etc, teachings and also kabbalistic doctrine are all aberrant and 'fringe' teachings, and the 'average' Messianic is not a part of them....why is there any need to discuss people like James Trimm at all? He's a kabbalist which should have put red flags up immediately. 

How many thought Trimm's Hebraic Roots Version or HRV something to obtain? How many thought he had other 'good' to offer via his Nazarene movement? This writer has read statements by "Mainstream" Messianics that have thought he had good to offer and had planned to get his HRV Complete, having already obtained the HRV New Testament. 

We see that James Trimm's Hebraic Roots Version is being brought into other "Mainstream" messianic groups as was shown on the Zola Levitt discussion forum. A member had written and thanked me for posting the James Trimm articles, and said that they had not heard of the HRV prior to September, but is aware of who Trimm is now. And the kabbalah and HRV are being discussed on many 'Christian' forums, under Messianic threads and so on. Proponents of it are appearing to the uninformed, of having great wisdom in expounding it's benefits, even suggesting one won't find salvation without the kabbalah. Unfortunately they neglect to point out that an attempt to Christianize the kabbalah resulted in the 'salvation' doctrine as being circumcision. Judaic authorities have in the past stated that it was utter nonsense to think that the kabbalah held any Christian doctrine.

If one goes amongst hasidic Jews, many of whom are kabbalists, if one mentions the very name of Yeshua or Jesus, they can be met with verbal abuse and some are even spit upon. So, while some advocate learning kabbalah and hence about Messiah--the reality is in these facts. The result would be the rejection of Christ. 

How about false prophet Michael Rood? How many embraced his teachings, believing him to be a "Torah Observant" Messianic or Jewish Messianic or whatever else he claims to be?...providing answers to be embraced? How many knew he prophesized falsely and continues to do so, and yet still seek him as a source for information? 

Does that agree with the Word of God on how we are to view false prophets and false teachers?

2 Peter 2:2:1 But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.
2 And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of.
3 And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you: whose judgment now of a long time lingereth not, and their damnation slumbereth not.

Deuteronomy 18:20 But the prophet, which shall presume to speak a word in my name, which I have not commanded him to speak, or that shall speak in the name of other gods, even that prophet shall die.
21 And if thou say in thine heart, How shall we know the word which the LORD hath not spoken?
22 When a prophet speaketh in the name of the LORD, if the thing follow not, nor come to pass, that is the thing which the LORD hath not spoken, but the prophet hath spoken it presumptuously: thou shalt not be afraid of him.

Michael Rood is again listed as an exhibitor for the February 2004 National Religious Broadcasters' National Convention. 2 

The NRB states it's purpose for the convention as being the following:

"The annual Convention & Exposition is the largest nationally and internationally recognized event dedicated solely to assist those in the field of Christian communications. The dynamic Exposition consists of nearly 300 companies and is a active marketplace for those seeking tools and services to expand their ministries. The NRB convention is a "must include" on the broadcast industry's calendar. The convention undoubtedly is the best way to meet and speak directly with top management in Christian communications." 3

NRB also states, "NRB is your partner to promote the Gospel..." That is not what Michael Rood is about. He clearly rejects all things "Christian," which he calls pagan, including the Name of Jesus, and attempts to pull people into his Way International based theology, not only from the 'Christian' arena, but the Messianic as well. In fact, although apparently not Jewish, in his last two promotions for his October/ November 2003 tour to Israel, he used the phrases of come to "our Promised Land." 4  and also, promoted via Marshall Moshe Koniuchowsky's, Your Arms to Israel Newsletter, stated the following, which shows commitment to Koniuchowsky's Two House doctrine.  

Subj: Fw: Come To Israel - An Update 

"....The Jewish people have been paying the price for guarding the Torah for millennia now, and the cost has been paid in blood and in spirit. They are discouraged and bent to the breaking point. The question is, will the House of Israel hear their cry in this hour and respond, not only emotionally and spiritually, but tangibly?

...It has been oblivious, for the most part, to the tremendous cost being paid by their Jewish brethren to ensure that they would have a Torah by which to find their way back home! ... rarely has the House of Israel realized just how much the Jewish people are their brothers . . .  and, so, have ignored the ageless question, "Am I my brothers keeper?"  But now that the veil of exile is being lifted it is time for all Israel to unite once again, a time for all to bear the cost, and a time to come alongside our brothers and sisters in Israel, not only in prayer, but also in practical ways that will demonstrate the reality of this preserved remnant that is responding to the "raised banner" of Elohim.   You are never forgotten, here in the Land . . .  we just wonder where you are? ...What better way to demonstrate solidarity with your brothers and sisters than to visit them while they are carrying the burden of having resettled and maintained the Land?..."Leave Your Western Gentile Mentality Behind!"..."

In his tape Mikvah of the Baptisms, Michael Rood states, referring to Hebrews 6. "...--"Hebrews means to cross over, those who have joined themselves to Yahweh. Those who have identified with the Messiah are in fact Hebrews. It doesn't matter whether it is Jew, whether it is Gentile, whether it's a tribe of Ephraim, or the tribe of Benjamin, or Levite or Zulu..."

Hebrews were the Hebrew-speaking Jews, as distinguished from those who spoke Greek in the New Testament. (Acts 6:1; Phil 3:5 referring to Paul). Historically it was the name given the Israelites by foreigners. Some suggest it refers to the 'sons of Eber," an ancestor of Abraham. Others also suggest that it referred to Abraham coming to the Canaanites from beyond the Euphrates (Gen. 14:13). Either way, to suggest that all are Hebrews eliminates many Scriptures showing the different nations which were made by God.  The twelve tribes were all part of Israel and Israel dwelled amongst many other nations. 

Unfortunately far too many sincere believers are being seduced into every wind of doctrine, because they do not really know the Word of God. Many have been in experientially based fellowships, learning their doctrine from sources that, if really tested, will not stand the scrutiny of Scripture. So it is with the winds of doctrine spewed forth by false prophets like Michael Rood and many others in the Messianic movement and also the Christian arena. Many listen to what they are told the Scriptures are saying or should say or are being changed to say....but it is not what God's Word really says. And vain talkers readily take advantage of the lack of knowledge. 

Matthew 15:13 But he answered and said, Every plant, which my heavenly Father hath not planted, shall be rooted up.
14 Let them alone: they be blind leaders of the blind. And if the blind lead the blind, both shall fall into the ditch.

Ephesians 4:14 That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive;
15 But speaking the truth in love, may grow up into him in all things, which is the head, even Christ:
16 From whom the whole body fitly joined together and compacted by that which every joint supplieth, according to the effectual working in the measure of every part, maketh increase of the body unto the edifying of itself in love.


Next Section: David Hall & Michael J. Rood & The MJAA






4. Subj: The Heart of Israel Date: 8/15/2003

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