This is the print version of > http://www.SeekGod.ca/manifestations.htm
Hebrew Roots, The Four Waves & Their Roots
"The Inner Ecstasy"
33 Either make the tree good, and his fruit good; or else make the tree corrupt, and his fruit corrupt: for the tree is known by his fruit.
34 O generation of vipers, how can ye, being evil, speak good things? for out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaketh.
35 A good man out of the good treasure of the heart bringeth forth good things: and an evil man out of the evil treasure bringeth forth evil things.
It was Charles Parham who originally used the term Latter Rain, not William Branham over 40 years later, as many are taught. Parham instigated the teaching that a secondary ‘baptism’ by the Holy Spirit was necessary and that speaking in foreign tongues was the evidence. This teaching was repeatedly proven wrong as Parham's disciples went to foreign lands expecting to immediately speak the language. No one could understand a word they spoke.
To our understanding, what took place at Pentecost was a gifting of languages, as those in attendance spoke the wonderful things of God and every person heard in their own language. Paul wrote in 1 Corinthians 14:21-22 of the purpose of tongues or languages, “In the law it is written, With men of other tongues and other lips will I speak unto this people, and yet for all that they will not hear me, saith the Lord. Wherefore tongues are for a sign, not to them that believe, but to them that believe not: but prophesying serveth not for them that believe not, but for them which believe."
Paul specifically addresses the idea of all in a church speaking tongues, something advocated by Peter Wagner and supported by Billy Graham. v.23 "If therefore the whole church be come together into one place, and all speak tongues, and there come in those that are unlearned, or unbelievers, will they not say that ye are mad?" See: Lying Signs & Wonders
failure and false teaching caused a needed redefinition of the
secondary baptism evidence of having the Holy Spirit to simply
mean, speaking in tongues. Parham was a hypocrite as well, in
that he had not received the Holy Spirit by his own definition,
that being tongues, before preaching it as necessary evidence.
We were never told to seek tongues as required evidence of having the Holy Spirit. On the contrary, tongues is listed as the least of the Holy Spirits gifting's and as with all gifts, given as He sees fit. All giftings were for the profit of the Body, including the gift of languages or tongues. To have tongues was also to have someone that could interpret, otherwise it was pointless, because no one is edified unless something can be understood.
This understanding of tongues does not negate the Scripture of 1 Corinthians 14:13-15 "Wherefore let him that speaketh in an unknown tongue pray that he may interpret. For if I pray in an unknown tongue, my spirit prayeth, but my understanding is unfruitful. What is it then? I will pray with the spirit, and I will pray with the understanding also: I will sing with the spirit, and I will sing with the understanding also."
One must be able to understand what is being said, privately or in a group, publicly speaking or praying, for it to be beneficial to anyone. Verse 39 "Wherefore, brethren, covet to prophesy, and forbid not to speak with tongues." Tongues, that is, speaking or praying in other languages, can never be forbidden, but there must be understanding for that language or it is going against what God himself said about the purpose of tongues and all gifts from Him. Further, verse 37 states, "If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord."
We speak in English, but it would be pointless to speak or pray in English to a crowd of Chinese only speaking people. It would go against the Scriptures.
None that embrace tongues in any of these movements can explain why no one, not even themselves, can understand what they say.
1 Corinthians 14:5 "I would that ye all spake with tongues, but rather that ye prophesied: for greater is he that prophesieth than he that speaketh with tongues, except he interpret, that the church may receive edifying."
The fact is, every person who accepts Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior has the Holy Spirit. That "evidence" is found in the Word of God.
8:9-10 “But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so
be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not
the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his. And if Christ be in
you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life
because of righteousness.”
1 Corinthians 3:16 “Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?”
Pastor Doug Dugan of the Fellowship Baptist Church in Mount Joy, Pennsylvania, asks the question, "If speaking in tongues is the evidence of the fulness of the spirit then my question is what spirit? Because the devil’s crowd is filled with a spirit that moves them to speak in tongues too!"
In his article, "The Scriptural View of the Modern Day Tongues Movement" he states: "The modern day tongues movement has the element of excitement, but it lacks the element of Bible authority. Though some erroneously claim that speaking in the unknown tongue is the evidence of the fulness of the Holy Spirit they do err in not knowing the Scriptures. The use of tongues in the Bible was always the use of known languages." Pastor Dugan's Scriptural analysis of tongues can be read in the following article: "The Scriptural View of the Modern Day Tongues Movement"
Other Pentecostals like Jack Hayford have changed their definition on tongues, having originally demanded tongues as evidence of the Holy Spirit. “…[Hayford] also refrains from demanding tongues as a proof of Spirit baptism, and instead presents "spiritual language" as a "divine and desirable provision to assist every believer ..." …(Reported in the 8/17/92 Christianity Today , the 3/15/93 Calvary Contender , and the 3/8/93 Christian News…” 72
Chuck Smith had been openly supportive of tongues and signs and wonders with Lonnie Frisbee and also through his previous association with Foursquare Churches and the Vineyard. He now suggests tongues are acceptable in private. In his 1982 book Charisma vs. Charismania, Chuck Smith teaches that the "abuse of tongues" (i.e., blurting out gibberish in a formal church service) makes one a "charismaniac," but speaking in tongues as a private prayer language is not only acceptable, but encouraged and an enjoyable "experience." 73. However, according to adherents and others who have left Calvary Chapels, tongues and signs and wonders continue at CC in Bible studies and after regular services.
There is a problem with this tongues as a private language business. It supposedly comes from the Holy Spirit, with many Pentecostals and Charismatics claiming it is the Biblical intercession of the Spirit helping them to pray, many basing it on:
8:22-27, specifically, v
23, “…even we ourselves groan within ourselves…” v.26,27
“Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know
not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself
maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be
uttered. And he that searcheth the hearts knoweth what is the
mind of the Spirit, because he maketh intercession for the
saints according to the will of God.”
Aside from tongues being languages used to bring people to the saving grace of Jesus Christ, we see the key to the issue as, “ the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered." and "the mind of the Spirit." If something cannot be uttered—it cannot pass through our lips and be spoken, since to ‘utter’ means to ‘speak, express’, and so on.
Paul said in 1 Corinthians 12:4-6, that "...there are diversities of gifts, but the same Spirit" and that each and every gift was for the purpose of edifying all--not only one individual v.7 "But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to every man to profit withal." Hence, the idea that a "private language" from a gift specifically used for the edification of all, does not align with Scripture.
Further, while many are declaring the manifestations of Toronto 'Blessing,' Pensacola and the Charismatic movement to be demonic, those manifestations always and foremost include tongues. Either all the manifestations are of God or all are of Satan--but we cannot pick and choose which ones we'd like to keep, because they are coming from the same spirit.
1 Timothy 6: 20-21 "O Timothy, keep that which is committed to thy trust, avoid vain and profane babblings, and oppositions to science [gnosticism] falsely so called: Which some professing have erred concerning the faith. Grace be with thee. Amen"
As mentioned, since the purpose of all God's gifts was for the edification of the Body, the purpose of tongues as described in 1 Corinthians 14:21-22 was, "...With men of other tongues [Languages] and other lips will I speak unto this people, .... Wherefore tongues are for a sign, not to them that believe, but to them that believe not:...,"
Acts 10:46 "For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God. Then answered Peter,"
The King James version has added a comma between tongues and magnify changing the meaning. The original Greek does not have the comma which means that the verse should be understood as "...heard them speak with tongues and magnify God..."
We know that the purpose of tongues cannot change. Why, because God has no variableness as shown in James 1:17
In other words, declaring that private prayer language is just an extension of the gift of tongues, or an extension of incoherent babbling in a congregation or an entirely different form of tongues, does not match the Scripture for the purpose of tongues. No variableness in God or His gifts means that there will be no change from their Scriptural purpose.
Since the concept of developing a new type of Mystic is the goal for enabling the embracement of the One-World Religion, it is important to understand the root of the manifestations themselves. It's been discussed in such articles as Sins of the 'father~ Charles F. Parham and The 'god' In Every Man, that the manifestations found in the Charismatic/ Pentecostal/Vineyard movements are the same as found in mysticism, witchcraft and shamanism and that the roots of these movements and people involved were contrary to Scripture.
There are many, while perhaps rejecting the more offensive manifestations of the Charismatic's, like barking or biting, cling to glossolalia as an acceptable evidence of having the Holy Spirit, or hang on to it as a private prayer language. Many might reject any of the moves, but cling to the other. Many will admit that even though they now reject the Charismatic movement and its other manifestations, they fully believe that the tongues that they have embraced was a gift of the Holy Spirit. However, they also admit having received the manifestation of tongues while involved in the Catholic Charismatic or other movements they now reject, some receiving it with the laying on of hands. Others view all the moves as of God, and reject any of the facts in these articles.
Many cannot understand that those who love the Lord do not need that show of a manifestation, but rather, we are to walk by faith, not by sight. Some seem to believe that those who haven't received the manifestation of tongues, will eventually, as their belief hinges on the idea that it is part of the upward movement of growing in Christ. There are those who unknowingly are clinging to the Fire Baptism/Holiness teachings that suggest that unless one speaks in tongues, they haven't received the baptism of the Holy Spirit, a concept which has been foundational to Pentecostalism.
Association of Fundamentalists Evangelizing Catholics (AFEC)
“…Many Pentecostals believe that Baptism is necessary for salvation and that eternal life may be lost due to sin in ones personal life. Speaking in tongues is often said to be the evidence of Salvation. AFEC¹s position does not allow speakers from denominations teaching these doctrine to participate in its conferences. Howbeit, individual men in these Churches may take a differing position from that of their denomination, yet their participation condones not only the individual but also the Church group and its fallacious doctrines. Those in AFEC choose to "come out and be ye separate" from all erroneous doctrine no matter who the messenger may be….A denomination which believes in works to be saved or to maintain salvation is as lost as the Roman Catholic people we are seeking to bring to Christ. A denomination which believes that speaking in tongues is a necessary part of or the evidence of salvation has fallen into the same trap as Romanism. THINGS whether Tongues or Sacraments are not necessary for Salvation. Giving approval to Pentecostal or Charismatic participants condones their Church and the errors that accompany them,… The statement that most ex-Catholics were in the Pentecostal or Charismatic denominations could mean that they still need salvation. Carlo Caputo, an ex-Catholic, ex-Pentecostal member of AFEC notes, "it therefore becomes imperative that the plain Gospels be preached to all, especially those who claim to be saved and yet continue to associate themselves with unbiblical positions that contradict the doctrines of salvation, e.g., Romanism and Pentecostalism."…. (Prepared by Frank Eberhardt, Treasurer, A.F.E.C.)” 77.
In the article "Shepherds In Disguise" we showed that the very purpose of the Charismatic movement was to prepare people for the embracement of "Pentecostal Manifestations." The manifestations in the Charismatic movement then became a target for exposing the blatant and to many observers, offensive behaviors, with many ministries using that error to promote their analysis and brand of what is right, i.e. conservative pentecostalism.
The purpose appears to be for all in Christendom to be able to accept and eventually embrace the more conservative manifestations of the Pentecostal movement, which are matched in the occult. However, as we've discussed in our other articles, tongues is the foremost manifestation pushed for acceptance.
Next Section: Tongues
Previous Section: The Scriptural View of Tongues
For dialogue with a former charismatic, dealing with tongues, see: Memorable Correspondences > Experience of tongues
* Marcus Bach, The Inner Ecstasy; The World Publishing Company, New York and Cleveland; 1969
73. Charisma vs.Charismania , Chuck Smith, Harvest House Publishers, 1983, p. 113, 110
77. Association of Fundamentalists Evangelizing Catholics Resolution on Ex Catholics For Christ (renamed Reaching Catholics for Christ) and Separation http://www.angelfire.com/ky/dodone/Reso.html
Copyright . All articles are the sole property of SeekGod.ca and Vicky Dillen. All Scripture King James Version unless otherwise stated.