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Vicky Dillen's Inquisition

Reviewing the unsubstantiated claims of Tricia Tillin, Cross+Word Ministries, and banner.org.uk

Update October 2005 * Tricia Tillin has changed her website to www.intotruth.org

with corresponding changed article links quoted in the article below > www.intotruth.org/sum_heb-old.html    and > www.intotruth.org/misc/dillen.html

 

For quite some time there has been two articles posted on the internet written by Tricia Tillin on her Cross+Word Ministries website, which discuss my SeekGod website and myself, Vicky Dillen.

I was not led to answer these unsubstantiated accusations in the past. However, because of recent inquiries about those articles, and the attempts by others who I have written about to use those same articles to validate themselves, as well as their own unsubstantiated accusations against SeekGod, I now feel that it is the proper time to address this.

Tricia Tillin in her article titled Vicky Dillen's Inquistion :“The Gospel according to Dillen”, stated that “ Vicky Dillen heads up a new inquisition designed to incriminate her fellow researchers!” She has also stated, "Vicky Dillen sends out a list of questions designed to trap any ministers who do not comply with her narrow set of beliefs."

First, let’s examine what other researchers have said about my website, and about Vicky Dillen personally. It should be noted that the second article on Tricia Tillin's site revolved around the Hebrew Roots articles on my site. The implication and some statements about them were that I was anti-semitic and so on.

On a forum that is frequented by Messianics, this discussion took place after some of my articles links were posted there.

From:  Pam Dewey <oasis@c...>
Date:  Tue Jul 6, 2004  7:28 pm
Subject:  Re: [SimchatTorah] Re: Monte Judah

>I have heard others criticize the http://www.seekgod.ca site before,
>but no one seems to be able to refute the research that this woman
>has done. Does it irk you because she claims to be a Christian?
>Other sites such as http://www.isitso.org and
>http://www.lebtahor.com/truth/truth.htm seem to substantiate much
>of what she has said.

As the author of the isitso.org "Field Guide to the Wild World of Religion" site, I'd like to thank you for your vote of confidence in my research as being corroborative information that deserves consideration.

Unlike the seekgod.ca author-- her name is Vicky-- I happen to be a
Sabbatarian who has observed the annual Feasts of the Eternal for over 35 years. I use "Yashua" and "Yahweh" (although not exclusively), I don't observe the "traditional Christian" holidays such as Xmas, I don't eat unclean meats, and so on. In other words, I do NOT share the theological perspective on many matters that Vicky has. Yet I have found her investigative reporting to be exceptionally thorough and her factual conclusions, in most cases, to be accurate. That does NOT mean I agree with her *doctrinal and Biblical evaluation* of some of the issues that she addresses on her site. But when it comes to "who said what" and other factual matters she shares, she does her homework.

If those in the various "movements" of the Spirit do not "police their own," then just how do we think the Eternal is going to deal with the deception and such going on? He hasn't publicly stricken people, including false prophets, dead with lightning or plague and such in a long time.:-) He chastised ancient Israel with the rod of the Gentile rulers. Should we be surprised that he might use a Protestant woman in our time to confront some of those who consider themselves His people with the error of their ways?

Or maybe a Sabbatarian woman. I received an email earlier this year in response to the profile of Monte Judah on my website. The person insisted to me that Monte was "God's Anointed" (that gave me a chill! ... that is a title that belongs ONLY in our time to the Messiah Himself!) and that I had better cease and desist from "attacking" him-- it was "not Christlike" and needed to stop. I do NOT "attack" Monte or anyone else on my website. I share my sincere *concerns* about some of their statements or activities, provide the documentation of those things that led to my concerns, and invite others to do their own more extensive investigation into the issues if they find that they share my concerns. (And my concerns are wide ... I cover everyone from Ellen G White of the Adventists to William Branham of the Pentecostal movement.)

Blinding one's eyes to facts and reality does nothing to promote the cause of the Good News. There are men (and some women) today who are bringing disrepute, by their actions and words, to the truths of the scriptures and the Name of our Savior in the eyes of those whom we wish to reach with that Good News. I do not believe that the Eternal is pleased with them ... nor with those who support them without wisdom, just because they are persuasive and charismatic leaders. ...

The greatest need in the Body in our time is that of the gift of discernment. The Pope isn't going to fool any of "the Elect" into believing that he really is the Vicar of Christ :-) But the scripture indicates that near the End, deception is going to be so great that those very "elect" will be in danger of being deceived. So just where is that deception going to come from?

Judgement is NOW on the House of the Eternal. If we will not judge our own situation, including making wise choices on those whom we will support as leaders and spokesmen in the Body, then we will face His judgement.

Pam Dewey
http://www.isitso.org/guide/guide.html

Field Guide to the Wild World of Religion

Below are some comments made about me and my website, on a major Messianic forum, by Kathryn Kern, who is Messianic, after links to my articles were also posted there. Kathryn hosts her own Messianic research site:

"...And yes, Vicky and I do not agree totally on doctrine, but then neither do I agree wholly with anyone else that I have seen post here. We all have our differences as well as our similarities. After a time, I did speak with Vicky on the phone. I found her to be genuine. She had stated that she had come out from mainstream Christianity, just as I had done. Where she has not embraced a "Hebraic Roots" as I did, she is seeking truth. Now my question for those of you on this forum, that would like to attack Vicky because of her Christian background, making Hebraic Roots a sacred cow so to speak, if you view her as misguided and attacking the Messianic community, just as Shaul did to the earlier believers of the Messiah, which of you, as Ananias, went to her to open her eyes to the truth, in love and compassion? If Vicky's view of the Messianic community is that of Trimm, Koniuchowsky and such, it is no wonder that she does not embrace it and feels a need to expose truth. They, sadly do not make up the core of true believers, but they have a very large net presence that would make it appear otherwise. Which of you, seeing that fraud and false teaching, would be drawn to it? I certainly was not when I first got on the net to find others that YHWH was leading the same way. I became disgusted with forums and quickly realized the truth of the statement that broad is the road and wide the gate that leads to destruction and many enter it, and narrow the road and small the gate that leads to life and only a few find it. That is a minority. Yet the majority of the net presence is not what I would call an upright one. Do not judge her so harshly until you can look at the Messianic community on the net and truthfully see it for what it has become, splintered and near impotency. Until the upright of the Messianic community stop patting each other on the backs or protecting their own ass by their silence and inactivity, this situation will get worse and these frauds will continue to run rough shod over the others. People will continue to follow the wrong path and more leave to pure Judaism, denying Messiah or fall away altogether.

Why is it easier to attack Vicky than to attack the real enemy? If there is a doctrinal difference and you feel strongly enough about it, then write and have dialogue with her…

… Where some may chose to argue points of doctrine with Vicky, I think the greater focus needs to be examining the beliefs of those that are defrauding the Messianic community. Vicky is not the enemy here. I received an email from a man that has started a nazarene fraud victims forum. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/nazarene_fraud_victims/messages/

There are more out there than you might think. I have received numerous emails from individuals and couples, seeking a voice and compensation. The fact that there is such a site shows that these incidents are not isolated. If people would stop turning a blind eye to these situations and act, something could be done. ..."

Kathryn
http://www.lebtahor.com/truth/trimm/jamestrimm.htm

In her other article, The Hebrew Roots Summary page: "has been replaced with this response to the lies and distortions of Vicky Dillen", and within that article, Tricia Tillin stated:

"... The only people who "benefit" from what Dillen is saying are the enemies of truth! If Dillen and her group hope to persuade us that they are on the side of truth, they should stop providing the enemy with ammunition!"    http://www.banner.org.uk/sum_heb.html

I find the above quote by Tricia Tillin to be rather ironic, as currently there are two Hebrew Roots "leaders" that I have written about that are attempting to use Tricia Tillin's articles as a means of validating themselves while trying to discredit 'Vicky Dillen' and the SeekGod.ca website. They are James Trimm and Michael Rood, who have been written about extensively on this website.

Below are e-mails sent to various Messianic lists by James Trimm and a person who was asked to post links to Tricia Tillin’s article about me, on behalf of Michael Rood. James Trimm also has an article about me posted on his website that links to Tricia Tillin's articles. 

To: Biblical_Messiah@yahoogroups.com
From: "Snow aka Becky" <snow73@sympatico.ca>
Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 21:04:12 -0400
Subject: [Biblical_Messiah] Rebuttals to the Vicky Dillon camp~

[Head Moderator]:

 I have heard from a brother in the L-rd concerning the accusations on the seekgod site.

    The person who contacted me is in the Michael Rood camp and involved in his work.  They think it only fair as they discuss more information concerning a formal rebuttal that I post a link in contrast to those ministries that Vicky and Camp have made a habit of attacking including Arnold Fructenbaum!!!   I am more than happy to respond.  BTW, Michael, because of his past with the Way Int. teaches NO WAY doctrines of any kind nor seeks to subvert the teachings of Messiah Y'Shua.    I have been asked to please post this site while the talk of a formal response is being discussed.   Please see this URL since Vicky has posted against others (with slander and mis-information).  www.banner.org.uk/sum_heb.html

  There will be more coming from Michael and associates:

MIchael Rood's words are:  "Michael has told me that what he teaches now is definitely influenced by The Way, in that he currently teaches against pretty much everything they stood for.  " 

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To: biblical_Messiah@yahoogroups.com
From: "Snow aka Becky" <snow73@sympatico.ca> Add to Address Book
Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 22:50:29 -0400
Subject: [Biblical_Messiah] PLEASE READ THIS BOB!

 Michael Rood has moved to Israel, and I heard from them about this post below and they thanked me ... they also asked me to post a rebuttal link (site) unitl they decide how they will formally rebutt the Dillen www.seekgod.ca   site..   Which is also famous for making mince meat of all AOG's as ("agents of demons") and attacks both Fructenbaum and Dave Hunt as well!!  Wow , this camp wasts no time..  Now one of the discernment links they use as  another cult watch group is transforming their site into a rebuttal site to the "Lies of Vicky Dillen"..   Boy this is big...and hearing from Israel all in one day-yesterday!   I refuse to be a part of her Lashon hara.  I have stayed with the Hargis Family near CBN, and what they say about Linda is all mis- informational lies, and cut up materials from not being acquainted with those she chooses to point her finger at..  Wow, she even speaks of Weiss ( I know who he is)-wonderful messianic man and strong believer from MJAAC's Pen. University as well as Paul Wilbur and many others..  oyyyy.... One thread is eating so much of her mis information up!!  It is outrageous and untrue and awful to watch people practive becoming more and more adept at tearing the body of messiah apart!  -- Therefore, the TV producer for Michael mailed me and thanked me for how I was handling the issues..  This was a surprise..!  :-) "

It should be noted, that Michael Rood did not issue a “formal rebuttal” as stated in the above e-mail, therefore, the strength of his 'defense' rested solely on Tricia Tillin’s article. After the first of the above e-mails was posted on August 4, 2003, James Trimm must have viewed this as a good defense, because two days later he then posted an email, with Tricia Tillin's link to his many forums, as well as other forums. It can still be viewed on his website under the title "Response to Slander". Below are some excepts from this email.

From: James Trimm <jstrimm@n...>
Date: Wed Aug 6, 2003 10:58 pm
Subject: Attacks on Messianic Leaders

All,

Recently myself and other prominent Messianic Leaders have come under attack.  These attacks have taken the form of lies, slander and Lashon HaRa. These attacks originate from two vicious women who spend most of their time attacking the leaders of Messianic Judaism. Other fine men who have been targeted and attacked by these two women are: David Hargis; Avi ben Mordechai; Michael Rood; Moshe Konicowski; Michael Boaz (FFOZ); Michael Detwiler and Ralph Messer. And the "witch hunt" list just keeps expanding. (I do not always agree with everything these men teach, but they are fine men, undeserving of such slanderous attacks)… 

…The second of these women is Vickie Dillen. Vickie Dillen is an enemy of the Hebraic Roots Movement in general. Ms. Dillen has a reputation for lying and slandering other ministries with which she disagrees. In fact another anti-Hebraic-Roots Christian "Discernment" ministry hosts the "lies and distortions of Vicky Dillen" Website at: http://www.banner.org.uk/sum_heb.html Vickie Dillen even misquotes the Talmud out of context in an effort to "prove" that the Talmud advocates the sodomizing of young Children (just as does the book which Kathryn Kern insisted was not really anti-Semitic). Vickie has also launched attacks against: David Hargis; Avi ben Mordechai; Michael Rood and Moshe Konicowski. 

Unfortunately, we live in a world in which a person of good reputation can be attacked by persons of ill repute, who have established a reputation for slander and lies, and people will actually take these attacks seriously. 

Moreover anti-missionaries, persons who disagree with my textual-origins theories and others opposing various of my teaching have found opportunity in repeating the personal attacks and slander from these unscrupulous persons and joining in chorus with them in order to promote their own agendas. These persons would rather resort to personal attacks than seriously debate the apologetic, textual or theological issues on their own merits. 

Answering these false accusers is like fighting the pagan mythical hydra. For every head one cuts off three more appear. For every false accusation we answer and dispel these slanderers invent several more. "

After the above e-mail was posted, Steven Avery, who is a Jewish believer who hosts one of the largest Messianic Jewish forums on the internet, as well as numerous Messianic chat rooms, issued an evaluation paper on James Trimm and his organization, that was circulated and is currently posted on a Messianic research site. In his evaluation paper, Steven cited eleven of my articles as supporting information for his paper. He has in fact, while in disagreement with some of my beliefs and research, stated, "...while we communicate with Vicky, and sometimes offer (usually small) corrections,...we appreciate and respect her generally excellent research and her willingness to speak clearly, without letting the spiritual disasters (e.g. Trimm, YATI) intimidate her."

Testing Tricia Tillin's Allegations With Facts

 "The Conspiracy was ---
well, er - Nonexistent!"

It's difficult enough to survive in this minefield that is the Church, with the guilt of not submitting to abusive authorities, with the pain of losing friends, with the confusion of not knowing exactly who to trust anymore, and with terrible pressures on all sides to accept deception from Toronto et al, without having to deal with suspicions about the very people whom God has sent to HELP you!! May God forgive her for this.  http://www.banner.org.uk/misc/Aho.html

Actually, there is NO pull to be involved in the deceptions of the so called 'revival', Toronto, Pensacola and so on, for those who believe the Scriptures about not going after 'other Christs'. The Holy Spirit indwells those who believe Christ as Savior and Lord. [Romans 8, 1 Cor 3:16, 6:19] One doesn't need to globe trot in search of signs and wonders and seek after 'movements of the spirit' in order to 'become more spiritual'. We're to study to show ourselves approved and walk by faith. Many ministries, including those related to this discussion, are saying these are the 'last days', and in fact, before the emergence of the anti-christ, there will be a great falling away not a revival, according to the Scriptures. 

Below are quotes from Tricia's articles, with her statements LIE referring to quotes from either my or Barbara Aho's articles, with the "TRUTH" being her response.

"...."LIE: "Mr. [Andy] Gould's article and other anti-Hebrew Roots material were removed some time ago from the websites of various discernment ministries {ie. CROSS+WORD] subsequent to a threat of litigation from [Peter Michas of] Messengers of Messiah Ministries"

TRUTH: Did Peter Michas ever threaten me or insist I remove any material off my site? NO. I don't know Peter Michas and have never published anything for or against him. When the Aho's launched their attack upon him last year, twisting his words, I sympathised with him by e-mail and received a kind letter by return. End of story. My Hebraic Roots section, and New World Order sections of my site, which were rarely visited, were cleaned up during a routine reorganisation which was nothing whatever to do with Michas or Aho.

On the other hand, it was WATCH UNTO PRAYER, (Aho's site) Vicky Dillen, Barbara Aho herself and others whom Michas threatened to sue, because they libelled him, (as well as Andy, me, Yacov Prasch and a whole load of other people!)"  http://www.banner.org.uk/misc/Aho.html

The material that was initially linked to and referenced to from my website, was removed from Tricia Tillin's webpage and replaced with her heading and article "Not What you Expected?" An Explanation," which was first posted in 2000 if I recall. It is the article James Trimm and Michael Rood have attempted to use in particular.  

"Not What you Expected?" An Explanation"

"HEBRAIC ROOTS SUMMARY PAGE

has been replaced with this response
to the lies and distortions of Vicky Dillen

(For the original, click here)

[http://www.banner.org.uk/oldsum_heb.html]

Please read the following:

"You have probably come here after clicking a link in an article on the site "Seek God" by Vicky Dillen. Good! I am glad to see you as this gives me an opportunity to explain, and to show you that the things Dillen claims about me are not only false, but are part of an ongoing campaign to discredit discernment ministries.

Vicky Dillen and her little group of agitators on the Net have inexplicably set themselves against ministries ...."

And

"...I did NOT "apologise" to Peter Michas for anything! Why would I? I neither know nor support the man, and have none of his material on my site. He was not mentioned in my articles, nor was there ever ANY issue requiring me to "apologise" to Peter Michas or other HRM people and my ministry or website. This is a cruel invention out of their own minds.

I did NOT "remove" the articles as a result of the laughable Aho document! They think too much of themselves if they believe I would rearrange my website to suit them. Nor was I somehow ashamed or afraid of the subject. Why would I be? I commissioned and encouraged their production in the first place!!!" end quote

It does sound rather planned and deliberate, and by her own statement, ""You have probably come here after clicking a link in an article on the site "Seek God" by Vicky Dillen. Good! ",  because the original articles showed the actual HR articles that had been posted on the banner.org site, and which were originally linked to for resource information from my series "To Embrace Hebrew Roots" and subsequent articles. Those source articles were removed and replaced with the above statement and article --- which I have discovered to be a very common practice. 

Further. To clarify the incorrect accusations. The "To Embrace Hebrew Roots" articles were written by myself, Vicky Dillen, in 1999. They were sent out on various mailing lists, such as Barb Aho's, because they chose to do that. I had no mailing list, despite the many statements by those involved, to the contrary. Their individual writings about HR were initiated by my series in 1999. There was no libel involved within my articles, and all the information used was well documented. There was however much in the way of reactionary threats, slander and fabricated information concerning myself and those who chose to agree with the information.

When I started researching, I knew nothing of the Hebrew Roots movement, other than I had been sent Jacob Prasch's material and Peter Michas' material, by people who wanted me to partake. By the posting of part 4 of my research, Peter Michas and others were making all manner of false accusations, including saying Tricia Tillin and Ed Tarkowski and others were all connected with me. Tricia Tillin, when I linked to her original HR section mentioned above, which had her, Andrew Gould's, and Jacob Prasch's HR writings, pulled the section and replaced it with the current document which accuses me of wrong doing. Since then, her HR section has been revamped with different articles than the ones I initially sourced. This also appears to be a common practice.

Tricia Tillin's letter to Peter Michas was circulated by him. She apparently did not intend it to be public, but it was. I have a copy, which was forwarded to me. She made it clear she was not associated with any of those Mr. Michas had threatened to sue, which did include Tricia Tillin and Ed Tarkowski, and she was not in agreement with my articles. She obviously did not know who authored what articles and still errs in that understanding of that today, simply based on the  articles on her website.

Tricia goes on in "Not What you Expected?" An Explanation" and states:

 "... all these ministries have been in the forefront of exposing the False Revival, the New World Order, the Latter-Rain teachings, the New-Age and things like Ecumenism that threaten our lives as believers!

Many of them [including myself] have also done work exposing the heretical teachings of the Hebraic Roots Movements. Despite this, we are branded as conspirators and deceivers!

This makes me wonder if the hidden aim in unworthy and unfounded attacks such as those launched by Dillen and Aho is to discredit and remove the warnings of the watchmen as they labour to sound the alarm to the Church! " http://www.banner.org.uk/sum_heb.html 

It's difficult to expose the ecumenical movement if one is involved in groups, organizations or churches that are part of it. It's also difficult to expose issues if certain aspects are ignored because of that involvement. Therefore, unless a person can recognize they are involved, even in part, in deceptions, they are not using full discernment. People seem to acquire a need for a reputation or to be known as 'somebody,' or being a 'ministry' or 'watchman'. As far as people claiming to be anything, we are not to glory in anyone but the Lord.

2 Corinthians 10:17 But he that glorieth, let him glory in the Lord. 18 For not he that commendeth himself is approved, but whom the Lord commendeth.

1 Cor 3:20 And again, The Lord knoweth the thoughts of the wise, that they are vain.
21 Therefore let no man glory in men. For all things are yours;

Galatians 6:2 Bear ye one another's burdens, and so fulfil the law of Christ.
3 For if a man think himself to be something, when he is nothing, he deceiveth himself. 4 But let every man prove his own work, and then shall he have rejoicing in himself alone, and not in another.

Tricia continues in the presentation of her unsubstantiated 'facts'.

IS WHAT VICKY DILLEN SAYS TRUSTWORTHY AND TRUE?

Before telling you some more facts about Vicky Dillen and her group, let me briefly highlight the errors of her recent articles. I was forced to address her former work, with Barbara Aho, in my statement "The Conspiracy was - well, er, Non-Existent!" [hotlink removed]  from > http://www.banner.org.uk/sum_heb.html 

And from the referred source:

"...LIE: "As I have interacted with these ministries, I have pondered many "worrying connections" within their own ranks. Having confronted those whom I knew personally, but to no avail, I believe that the Christians who follow them have a right to the following information."

TRUTH: Neither Barbara Aho nor Vicky Dillen nor any of her associates have contacted me about these matters, not even once. They make their allegations in complete absence of contact with me, and without checking out with me whether there is any basis for truth in what they have said..." http://www.banner.org.uk/misc/Aho.html

What Barb Aho had and has on her website is her business. What I have on mine is my business. I had nothing to do with the article written by Mrs. Aho, titled The Conspiracy was Strong, which Tricia references above. Therefore, Mrs. Tillin should have contacted me to ask me if I was a co-writer or involved with that article. If she has issues with articles authored by Barb Aho or on her site, she can contact her or address her -- singularly.  If Tricia Tillin wishes to make comment regarding the articles on the SeekGod.ca website written by myself, Vicky Dillen -- then she is welcome to correct her inaccuracies concerning them or make accurate statements concerning what I have written. I do not work with Mrs. Aho. I do my research and write my articles. This site is owned by myself and my husband. I am not a "group."

I've had many emails from people who have politely shared their thoughts and concerns about particular articles. They did not need to say I was from the pit of hell or the spawn of satan, was a spy, a member of some 'secret research organization', an 'agitator,'  in order to say they didn't agree with some aspect of an article.

Proverbs 23:7 For as he thinketh in his heart, so is he:

I write about the ecumenical movement and spirituality necessary to accept anti-christ. It involves the attempt to join the Body of Christ with ungodliness. It involves all religions. That includes charismatics, pentecostals, messianics, hebrew roots, catholics, evangelicals, mormons, new age, etc. Like it or not. No particular 'group' or individual is without error, despite what many would advocate, and all must be tested to the Scriptures. The issue is about Biblical obedience and focus on the person of Christ.

The Scriptures are clear:

James 2:1 My brethren, have not the faith of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Lord of glory, with respect of persons.

1 Thess. 5:21 Prove all things; hold fast that which is good. 22 Abstain from all appearance of evil.

Tricia also stated:

"Discernment ministries have no desire to waste their time fighting battles with Dillen and Aho. I consider them foolish and misguided and I hope that in time sense will prevail. They may intend to discredit us, but we wish them no harm. We are content to allow them to pursue the kinds of subjects they enjoy, so long as they leave us alone to do God's work in the way we see best." http://www.banner.org.uk/sum_heb.html 

I certainly do not need permission from Tricia Tillin regarding what I research, write about, or post to my website. I don't violate her copyright, and expect that issue to be respected with regard to my site. Which means, posting my Survey, which Tricia Tillin calls, Vicky Dillen's Inquisition, to the Cross + Word / banner.org.uk site is in violation of my copyright, as is the use of some of my Taking the Mark material, used in Tricia Tillin's article, Doctrine of Demons, part 1.  An oversight I am sure. The Mark series, which is fully documented, was posted late June, and the first part of July a few years ago while Mrs. Tillin posted in mid August. Fair use of copyrighted material allows for the quoting of material----showing source and author. I find  the lack of proper footnoting and showing source to be rather ironic, given Tricia's copyright which states in part, "

IMPORTANT COPYRIGHT INFORMATION:

(c) Tricia Tillin 1999

It is not my intention to hinder anyone who has a LEGITIMATE use for this material. Indeed, this material is so important that I want it to reach everyone who needs it.

However, this article and all it contains is copyrighted materialand therefore you are NOT to assume that you may freely use it on your web site or reprint it in your magazine, or whatever, in disregard of my provisos written here...." http://www.banner.org.uk/res/theglory.html

To address Tricia Tillin's article, The Gospel According to Dillen or in short, Vicky Dillen's Inquisition, which was posted initially mid August, 2000 and updated in 2004, I'll start here.

Vicky Dillen's INQUISITION

The Gospel According To Dillen

Vicky Dillen heads up a new Inquision
designed to incriminate her fellow researchers!

This paper has been sent by Vicky Dillen to a number of ministers, requiring them to submit their beliefs to her scrutiny. She does this in the name of "openness". However, in sending her paper she offered no details of herself, her ministry or beliefs, nor the reason for the questions.

Not only are the questions about non-essentials such as bible translations and tongues, but she intends to place all the replies on her website in a comparison chart. That way, she believes, the public will be able to mark out anyone who is "charismatic", anyone not Pre-Trib or KJV only, and anyone who has at any time been involved in a questionable activity. (Clearly, forgiveness does not figure too high in Dillen's creed.)

In other words, this is a bigotted inquisition, and those of a different denomination to Vicky Dillen will be publicly branded as suspicious and untrustworthy as ministers."  http://www.banner.org.uk/misc/dillen.html

Tricia then posted my survey, which had been sent initially by email to over 60 ministries and individuals and which is actually posted on my website and copyrighted. I see no hotlink back to my article which is a requirement when posting my articles.

the entire original email http://www.seekgod.ca/study2.htm

http://www.seekgod.ca/study.htm

In the article "Not What you Expected?" An Explanation",  which is basically in her words, "response to the lies and distortions of Vicky Dillen" , Tricia Tillin adds these thoughts: [hotlinks removed]

HOW DO THEY INCRIMINATE CHRISTIANS?

In order to make a division between those who fit into the Dillen creed and those who do not, Vicky Dillen recently sent out a questionnaire to a large number of well-known ministries. This list of forty-one questions was slanted against anyone who did not comply with her own beliefs.

Anyone who does not answer positively to all her probing questions will be exposed on her website as a suspicious character. Refusing to respond to Dillen will be a confirmation that the person involved is hiding something and therefore is not to be trusted!

Yet (as you can see HERE) Dillen's questions concern subjects that are not fundamental tenets of the faith, but non-essentials. While these things are important, they are NOT a cause for breaking fellowship with other truly born-again people!

A New Inquisition

As most of you know, the Catholic System of centuries past believed itself so very right and infallible on every point that it refused to accept that there might be any who deviated from its teaching.

Convinced of their own correctness, the Catholics eventually set up trials and inquisitions for anyone who dared to disagree. They ended up torturing, burning and condemning to hell genuine believers whose only crime was to deviate from the Catholic belief-system!

But is that so very far from the present attitude of Vicky Dillen, Barbara Aho and others who insist that their beliefs on the rapture, bible translations, tongues, once-saved-always-saved are so superior and infallible that they dare to set up a public inquisition for other ministers on the Net?

The only result of Dillen's questionnaire will be division, and bad feeling, and suspicions arising about the fitness of men and women to conduct their ministries. Is this the work of the Lord that we know and worship?

But this is the hallmark of Dillen's work - suspicion being raised without sufficient cause, attacks being launched by e-mail and website articles against anyone she disagrees with, all to the detriment of the Body as a whole and to the work of discernment ministries in particular." http://www.banner.org.uk/sum_heb.html

What Tricia Tillin called 'an inquisition' was a Survey which was later posted on my website with an accompanying article. Emails were circulated saying that I wasn't as sincere as I sounded and warning people that I was deceiving them. That's when Tricia Tillin posted her Vicky Dillen's Inquisition diatribe. At the time, many people had already answered the Survey, and most thought it great and were looking forward to the results. That is, until some of Tricia Tillin's associates received the fabricated warnings about my being insincere and it being likened to the Inquisition. She has never spoken with or corresponded with me. Therefore she does not know how sincere or insincere I am, but apparently it's unusual to find people can actually be sincere and real in what they say and believe.

Proverbs 23:7 For as he thinketh in his heart, so is he:

I still have people read that Survey--even from her site, look me up, and send in their results, asking what I think. They are neither offended or feeling put upon, although one former RC priest laughed and said he felt like he was on the rack with a few of the questions. One pastor that filled out the survey commented that it was a great tool for judging authenticity of Christian beliefs. Even when I get the surveys submitted, (the latest being in October 2004) I simply tell people it was not about my judgment. It was simply as was stated very clearly in the initial letter.

Few actually thought the Survey to be damning. Click here for a few of the comments. Tricia then imagined all manner of accusations and concepts about who I worked/work with and so on. From that same article:

"WHO ARE THESE TROUBLEMAKERS?

Vicky Dillen does not work alone. She is one member of a secetive "research group" dedicated to destroying ministries that they disagree with. While claiming to have uncovered "a conspiracy" that in reality does not exist, they themselves are the true undercover agents and agitators, using pretense, spies and underhanded methods to do their destructive work.

It has been proven that at least one of their members works for or with the FBI - and it only takes a moment or two's reflection to understand how desperately the FBI and other government agencies would work to infiltrate bona fide Christian groups! They must have thought they had the coup of the century when they found a bunch of deluded but eager women to do their work for them. Instead of having to use secular agencies to undermine discernment ministries (now the only thing standing between Christians and the New World Order) the FBI could now use these women as a front, to plant doubt, fear and suspicion, all in the name of "research"!" http://www.banner.org.uk/sum_heb.html

First of all I am Canadian, not American, which most likely would exclude me working with any federal agencies housed in the United States, which I can assure readers I do not do anyway. I work alone, incidentally, most of the time, although I do on occasion accept information from people I deem as credible, after researching them and the information they provide is validated by myself. It is my choice to work alone. I supply and share research with all sorts of people. I strive to be accurate, and if something is found to be errant, it is corrected. SeekGod.ca is our family website. We are not an organization and that means it's my husband and me, and he doesn't do any of the research or writing. Despite the undocumented and unfounded accusations of  Tricia Tillin.

I am still looking for credible documentation for all of her accusations. The basic rules of journalism dictate that if you cannot validate your premise, then it is not fact, and it should not be presented as fact. If we apply the rules of evidence, unsubstantiated information is commonly referred to as "hearsay" or "conjecture", and is considered inadmissible as fact.

Proverbs 12:17-22

17 He that speaketh truth showeth forth righteousness: but a false witness deceit. 18 There is that speaketh like the piercings of a sword: but the tongue of the wise is health. 19 The lip of truth shall be established for ever: but a lying tongue is but for a moment. 20 Deceit is in the heart of them that imagine evil: but to the counsellors of peace is joy. 21 There shall no evil happen to the just: but the wicked shall be filled with mischief. 22 Lying lips are abomination to the LORD: but they that deal truly are his delight.

I have all manner of people utilizing my information. Including people associated with universities. Are they also deluded, when looking into the articles and all the provable and footnoted documentation? Tricia stated:

"Instead of having to use secular agencies to undermine discernment ministries (now the only thing standing between Christians and the New World Order) the FBI could now use these women as a front, to plant doubt, fear and suspicion, all in the name of "research"! http://www.banner.org.uk/sum_heb.html

I must admit that the above statement is almost too absurd to answer but I will. First of all, Tricia Tillin has provided absolutely no substantiation for her loose and unfounded allegations. As stated, I work alone. If those claiming to be a 'discernment ministry' are "the only thing standing between Christians and the New World Order", is there some Scripture to validate that? Further, God is our shield and sword.

At the heart of this group is Lin Sellers who uses the name Jamma and is behind the website Rapture Watch. Although seldom seen to make any public statement, it is her research that fuels much of this lunacy. One project under her belt is an attempt to destroy the ministry of Berit Kjos, one of the leading opponents of the New Age and the NWO. She set in motion such a subtle campaign to blacken Berit's name and ministry that it was only by the gace of God that Berit Kjos survived.

A number of sites have fallen for her paranoid ravings, including Barbara Aho (Watch Unto Prayer), Wendy Howard and Wendy Beutser (Despatch Magazine), Steve Van Nattan (Balaam's Ass), Tom Lamb (Radical Pilgrim), an anonymous Montana-based conspiracy nut ("Watcher" website), George and Rita Williams (Cephas Ministry) and a number of right-wing patriot sites such as "Youth Of America".

Dillen also has a band of deluded followers, including Dana Hoard and Sally Germer, and a number of undercover agents who infiltrate mailing lists, bulletin boards and personal correspondences in order to obtain incriminating material. (Matt 22:34-36)

For among my people are found wicked men: they lay wait, as he that setteth snares; they set a trap, they catch men. (Jer 5:26)

Every day they wrest my words: all their thoughts are against me for evil. They gather themselves together, they hide themselves, they mark my steps, when they wait for my soul. Shall they escape by iniquity? in thine anger cast down the people, O God. (Ps 56:5) http://www.banner.org.uk/sum_heb.html

Are we to assume, by drawing conclusions based on Tricia Tillin's unsubstantiated claims, which she calls 'the facts', that anyone and everyone who appreciates or utilizes the information from the SeekGod.ca website is "deluded", part of my "secret research group" or are in fact, "undercover agents and agitators"? 

As far as I am concerned, my evaluations about Hebrew Roots and the Messianic movement are accurate, and the information particularly in The Spreading Hebrew Roots series, is being proven daily. You can now view false prophet Michael Rood on Sky Angel being promoted as a Biblical historian; Perry Stone also on Sky Angel, has Voice of Evangelism and his 'Manna-fest', bills himself as an International Christian Evangelist and is seen regularly on Christian broadcasting such as TBN and INSP teaching the "hebraic roots" of the faith, and is found at many Prophecy Conferences. He references the Talmud, a book that in some areas denigrates Christ, the gnostic Book of Jasher, promotes and teaches Bible Codes and teaches that one needs to understand the temple ceremonies to "enhance" their Christian prayer life.

Bill Cloud of Shoreshim [Roots] Ministries, recently seen on the Christian station, Trinity Broadcasting Network (TBN) with host and longtime associate Perry Stone of "Manna-fest". Bill Cloud has worked as a researcher, writer and speaker for Perry Stone and has written articles for his Voice of Evangelism magazine, as well as for God's News Behind The News. He is a Gentile who studied under a rabbi and learned, through the study of Gematria, the Kabbalist interpretation of the Bible, and promotes Bible codes. Kabbalah is of the occult. Bill Cloud is a regular speaker at both "Christian" Prophecy Conferences,  Joe Van Koevering's "“God's News Behind the News INTERNATIONAL PROPHECY CONFERENCE", and Hebraic Roots conferences, and was on a "Texas Tour with Brad Scott" in July 2004. Regular attendees to those God's News Behind the News , formerly hosted by Ray Brubaker, and which is now hosted by Joe Van Koevering and seen also on Sky Angel, include Jack and Rexella Van Impe, Perry Stone, Morris Cerullo, Hal Lindsey, Ray Brubaker, Grant Jeffrey ( who also teaches kabbalah & references talmud), Chuck Missler,  John Bevere, Zola Levitt (promoted by MJAA), Gary Kah, Joe Van Koevering, J.R. Church.

Both Bill Cloud and Brad Scott are speakers at events sponsored by Monte Judah of Lion and Lamb Ministries, who also promotes and sells Brad Scott's tapes and teachings. They promote the Two House beliefs. Bill Cloud also was a speaker at Sukkot Alliance 2004 with Ralph Messer, Brad Scott and others. James Trimm was also slated to attend as a guest speaker and teacher, but that information was pulled from the website. James Trimm sent out emails concerning the events:

To: nazarene-judaism@yahoogroups.com
From: "James Trimm" <jstrimm@nazarene.net>
Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 13:18:41 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Nazarene-Judaism] Important Sukkot Announcement

"....I will however be at:

SUKKOT INTERNATIONAL in TEXAS
http://www.sukkotalliance.org

Through most of Sukkot. I expect to do some teaching and to participate in
the midrash discussions intermittently...."

Monte Judah has been billed at that same groups gathering as the "Moses of America". Bill Cloud's teachings very much reflect Brad's Scott's and others in the push to "Hebraic Roots" or 'getting back' to "our" Jewish Roots.

What many have called the extreme roots of the Hebrew Roots movement and not affecting most Messianics or Christians, has been mainstreamed not only into all camps of Messianic belief and HR, but is moving fully into the Christian arena. See also: MJAA Executives & The Hebrew Roots Fringe and  More Ecumenical Comrades, Ministries and Leaders. There are those who sincerely love Jesus Christ and there are those who do not. No different than in the "Christian" community.  And there are many that I have written about, or who are related to those I have written about, that are culling churches and forums to try to snare those not grounded in the Word of God. And unfortunately there are many being snared.

Galatians 5:22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, 23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.
24 And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.
25 If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit. 26 Let us not be desirous of vain glory, provoking one another, envying one another.

Galatians 5:19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, 20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,

Ephesians 4:29 Let no corrupt communication proceed out of your mouth, but that which is good to the use of edifying, that it may minister grace unto the hearers.
30 And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.
31 Let all bitterness, and wrath, and anger, and clamour, and evil speaking, be put away from you, with all malice: 32 And be ye kind one to another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, even as God for Christ's sake hath forgiven you.

Throughout her unsubstantiated accusations, Tricia used the following statements and words about: me or views me as such:

"Vicky Dillen heads up a new inquisition designed to incriminate her fellow researchers!", "lies and distortions of Vicky Dillen", "ongoing campaign to discredit discernment ministries", "libelled",

"Vicky Dillen and her little group of agitators on the Net have inexplicably set themselves against ministries", "hidden aim in unworthy and unfounded attacks",

"is to discredit and remove the warnings of the watchmen as they labour to sound the alarm to the Church!" "forgiveness does not figure too high in Dillen's creed.",

"a bigotted inquisition, and those of a different denomination to Vicky Dillen will be publicly branded as suspicious and untrustworthy as ministers", "to make a division,"

"only result of Dillen's questionnaire will be division, and bad feeling, and suspicions arising about the fitness of men and women to conduct their ministries.", "hallmark of Dillen's work - suspicion being raised without sufficient cause, attacks being launched by e-mail and website articles against anyone she disagrees with, all to the detriment of the Body as a whole and to the work of discernment ministries in particular.",

" dare to set up a public inquisition for other ministers on the Net"

"Vicky Dillen does not work alone." "one member of a secretive "research group" dedicated to destroying ministries", "true undercover agents and agitators, using pretense, spies and underhanded methods to do their destructive work.", "proven that at least one of their members works for or with the FBI", "deluded but eager", "a front, to plant doubt, fear and suspicion, all in the name of "research"!",

"this lunacy", "band of deluded followers", "number of undercover agents who infiltrate", "discredited and removed." "imagining conspiracies", "strain at gnats but swallow a camel", "underhanded and secretive investigations, and lying insinuations,"

"ONLY people who applaud and rejoice in the Dillen... attacks on discernment ministries are hateful, cursing, revival fanatics...people who put such materials on their websites are white supremacist, right-wing patriots or conspiracy cranks or conspiracy cranks who believe in little green men from Mars",

"providing the enemy with ammunition", "the delight of a blood-sucking bat", "NOT DISCERNMENT BUT PARANOIA.", "have been deluded",  "accusers of the brethren", "judge, jury and executioner, without witnesses or a biblical process to establish the facts."

"judge others through "guilt by association", through unsubstantiated accusations, hearsay, distortions, rumours, through false assumptions and through out and out lies.", "Unable to answer the call for evidence", "duplicity and hypocrisy", "show the evidence in front of witnesses", "foolish and misguided", "intend to discredit us", "persist in attacking, denigrating, maligning and accusing".